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MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 04:22 AM Sep 2014

There are only two possible considerations when supporting your candidate for president:

Can they get elected? And are they worth electing?

If either one of those questions is answered with a "no," find the person that will give you two yes answers instead.

It's not about the other guy. It works best when you're voting FOR your candidate, not against the other.

Remember, politicians run for office, statesmen/stateswomen occupy them. Leadership is the harmonious application of charisma, charm, wisdom and backbone. People want a leader, but they need to believe in that leader first.

Think beyond the immediate.

Happy hunting.

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There are only two possible considerations when supporting your candidate for president: (Original Post) MrScorpio Sep 2014 OP
The Republican will always be to the Right, no matter how far Right the Democrats want to go. blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #1
No. LWolf Sep 2014 #14
This is why we need approval voting. joshcryer Sep 2014 #2
I disagree. Our votes are the only leverage that we have in the process. CentralMass Sep 2014 #3
Welcome to DU... SidDithers Sep 2014 #5
Thank you Sid. CentralMass Sep 2014 #6
What calculus do you use when deciding which US candidate to vote for? morningfog Sep 2014 #8
... SidDithers Sep 2014 #13
Excellent post. Please don't be intimidated by bullies here. Your opinion isn't beyond the pale. nt Romulox Sep 2014 #10
I don't think finding another candidate is really the only option HereSince1628 Sep 2014 #4
Silly GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #7
So much cajoling for Hillary, so early in the process. "Centrists" sound scared. nt Romulox Sep 2014 #9
I notice you put "can they get elected" hfojvt Sep 2014 #11
In the general election, your choices are severely limited. MH1 Sep 2014 #12

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
14. No.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:29 AM
Sep 2014

While I agree that Republicans are currently to the right of Democrats, and will probably be there for at least the near future, historically that's simply not accurate.

The use of the word "always" negates what you're trying to say.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
2. This is why we need approval voting.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 06:21 AM
Sep 2014
http://www.electology.org/#!approval-voting/cc04

It's extremely simple, it's democratic, and it lets people choose the candidate they think will win and the candidate that they want to win.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
3. I disagree. Our votes are the only leverage that we have in the process.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 06:33 AM
Sep 2014

If your party of choice is no longer adequately representing or listening to you and the other party is not an option, voting for a candidate that you don't support in the primary or general is taking away that leverage.

I will visit the polling booth but I will not rubber stamp a candidate that I don't support. In the general, if that means leaving ballot choices unchecked, so be it.


Romulox

(25,960 posts)
10. Excellent post. Please don't be intimidated by bullies here. Your opinion isn't beyond the pale. nt
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:02 AM
Sep 2014

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. I don't think finding another candidate is really the only option
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 06:37 AM
Sep 2014

if your choice can't win under a current circumstance or polling result...seems that working harder recruiting more partners to recruit more support is also a possibility, maybe as much to convince your favorite that she/he should put their name on the ballot as to get the support that wins an election.

And such work appears quite consistent with the notion that getting a candidate you want requires going beyond the immediate.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
11. I notice you put "can they get elected"
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:15 AM
Sep 2014

In the FIRST position.

I cannot imagine making my choice that way in a primary, to vote for the person that I THINK will win the general, instead of the person that I WANT to win.

I head an odd report about the Truman-Dewey election.

Some people said, that they did NOT think Truman was going to win, but they voted for him anyway.

And that just boggled my mind. Because how does "who I think is going to win" have anything to do with "who I am going to vote for"?

Unless I am some sort of sheep afraid to break away from the herd.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
12. In the general election, your choices are severely limited.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:16 AM
Sep 2014

On almost all occasions - and all presidential elections in my lifetime - there are only ever 2 candidates for which the answer to the first question is "yes".

And this means that for one of them, the answer to the second question must be "yes" also, while "no" for the other.

It is a very, very simple thing, but new voters sometimes don't see it because it is obscured by emotional factors such as youthful idealism and optimism.

Now in the primary, it's very different, and the argument should always be about what candidate best gets a yes to the second question while being a strong yes to the first question.

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