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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:21 AM Sep 2014

2/3 of Americans can't name the three branches of government. 1/3 can't name one.

A recent Annenberg survey reveals how pitifully little Americans know about the basic structure of the government, and it also reveals that this lack of knowledge growing.

Most of the respondents don't know which parties controls the House and Senate.

http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/americans-know-surprisingly-little-about-their-government-survey-finds/

Americans are woefully uninformed.

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2/3 of Americans can't name the three branches of government. 1/3 can't name one. (Original Post) cali Sep 2014 OP
It's ironic the survey results are in thirds... Agschmid Sep 2014 #1
There's a good argument that our current form of government no longer works. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2014 #82
it might be melm00se Sep 2014 #94
It is a beautiful document, isn't it? ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2014 #100
I'd like a weighted voting system in the House. rickford66 Sep 2014 #106
Why should they yuiyoshida Sep 2014 #2
You are going to blame tv for education's failure? former9thward Sep 2014 #61
That's right, blame teachers. femmocrat Sep 2014 #70
Are you saying it is not the job of teachers former9thward Sep 2014 #71
No. femmocrat Sep 2014 #80
You seem to think teachers have no role in any of those problems. former9thward Sep 2014 #85
Every History teacher teaches this...and then students leave and become part of a work force that... Tikki Sep 2014 #81
Did you forget basic math when you graduated? former9thward Sep 2014 #86
No because I used it daily....and no one was telling me over and over again that 1 + 1=3 Tikki Sep 2014 #88
They teach it and it is drowned out by rich people telling you to buy stuff Taitertots Sep 2014 #93
But ask those same people who won American Idol in 2004 Orrex Sep 2014 #3
Is that correlated with voting registration and intention, though? Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #4
By design. corkhead Sep 2014 #5
This ^^^ n/t MANative Sep 2014 #7
Seems like Official Policy since Nov. 22, 1963 Octafish Sep 2014 #9
. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #25
What do you know about it? Octafish Sep 2014 #37
. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #38
There's nothing funny about the assassination of President Kennedy. Octafish Sep 2014 #40
The funny bits are the wacked out conspiracy theories that came out of one lone nut... MohRokTah Sep 2014 #43
Like how the CIA's man on the Warren Commission failed to mention CIA-Mafia assassination program? Octafish Sep 2014 #47
I don't buy into CT nonsense. This thread is derailed enough with the BS. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #49
I do. Here's why. Octafish Sep 2014 #52
. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #55
What JFK said, I hope for all, even you, MohRokTah. Octafish Sep 2014 #59
the funny thing is... grasswire Sep 2014 #62
The point of the thread is ignorance. Octafish Sep 2014 #69
Please don't engage Octafish on JFK. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #78
I have to agree, it's a pointless exercise. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #83
As is expecting character from those who rationalizing a lack of tipping... LanternWaste Sep 2014 #96
Apparently I've picked up a stalker. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #99
Afraid someone will learn something? Octafish Sep 2014 #84
No, I'm afraid that the internet will slow down for all the links attached. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #91
I'd say 1/20/81. hifiguy Sep 2014 #33
Agree about the importance of the Pruneface installation. Octafish Sep 2014 #39
+1 ...American Idol, Idiot, Star, Dancing, Food, latest Hollywood poop cam ...more important. L0oniX Sep 2014 #17
You forgot football... n/t ReRe Sep 2014 #56
I wish I could. L0oniX Sep 2014 #92
. ReRe Sep 2014 #107
Executive, Legislative, and the NFL FSogol Sep 2014 #6
Precisely Sherman A1 Sep 2014 #8
Dang, you are right hfojvt Sep 2014 #10
More like Executive, Legislative, and the One Percent. Brigid Sep 2014 #12
+1 L0oniX Sep 2014 #18
Billionaires, Oligarchs and the media KurtNYC Sep 2014 #77
jpmorganchase, the kochs, and the lobbyists? unblock Sep 2014 #11
Judicial, Legislative, and "Administrative" --GWB Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2014 #13
I'm going to have to bookmark this. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #14
People always seem surprised about this, and I can't understand why. MineralMan Sep 2014 #15
I don't know that people are surprised by this, but it's worth reporting on cali Sep 2014 #30
The education I'm talking about is for adults, not kids. MineralMan Sep 2014 #63
Sure, that's also a good idea, but much, much harder to accomplish cali Sep 2014 #72
A decade or two is forever in political terms. MineralMan Sep 2014 #75
at age 14 handmade34 Sep 2014 #67
Yes I agree, seems like some think Obama can do anything he wants, don't think he is limited Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #57
I am always surprised people actually believe whistler162 Sep 2014 #104
Freedom! Constitution! joeybee12 Sep 2014 #16
Freedumb! FSogol Sep 2014 #20
So much stupid there for so few people... joeybee12 Sep 2014 #24
Stupidity can and often does exist in very small yet very dense concentrations. hifiguy Sep 2014 #34
True.. joeybee12 Sep 2014 #35
If the concentration of stupidity becomes dense enough The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2014 #41
Einstein was right! hifiguy Sep 2014 #50
They must be from the Rick Perry school of morons.. Historic NY Sep 2014 #19
SMH Mr Dixon Sep 2014 #21
MiSSION ACCOMPLISHED n/t librechik Sep 2014 #22
Noam Chomsky on Democracy and Education in the 21st Century woo me with science Sep 2014 #23
This will only get worse as those of us who actually had a Civics course in high school start... MohRokTah Sep 2014 #26
I think I was introduced to this stuff in about 7th or 8th grade. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2014 #44
We also had School House Rock when we were younger than that! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #45
That Schoolhouse Rock thing needs updating to include lobbyists tclambert Sep 2014 #64
Do you mean this one?... adirondacker Sep 2014 #95
That is an excellent update. tclambert Sep 2014 #105
They are. Puglover Sep 2014 #27
Boehner, Scalia, and the black guy who gets blamed for the other two. Glassunion Sep 2014 #28
I can, to wit: Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #29
And people wonder why some people keep voting against their own best interests Botany Sep 2014 #31
And the PTB are gleeful over this. nt valerief Sep 2014 #32
Because they engineered it. hifiguy Sep 2014 #36
I can name all three. Dr. Strange Sep 2014 #42
Boeing, WalMart, Microsoft. Duh! n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #46
Hate to say it, but it's not just teahadists Proud Public Servant Sep 2014 #48
Well schools are concerned with tee shorts and other so called important things yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #51
"Rarely is the question asked: 'Is our children learning?'" KamaAina Sep 2014 #53
Guess who can? Naturalized citizens. KamaAina Sep 2014 #54
100 percent correct. RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #73
Guaranteed they know who won the LibDemAlways Sep 2014 #58
...hence why they blame Obama for ALL of it! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #60
I think that when you take Civics lessons out of the school glowing Sep 2014 #65
Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches... Bryce Butler Sep 2014 #66
Back in high school, when dinosaurs still walked Earth's cooling crust ... ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #68
I'd like to know what the question was and what the acceptable answers were. pnwmom Sep 2014 #74
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #76
I'm haunted by the NSA's repeated denial of the existence of "probable cause" in the 4th Amendment RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #79
The C branch, the I branch and A branch. JEB Sep 2014 #87
We have the government we deserve GitRDun Sep 2014 #89
On a local level, I was told that the sheriff makes the laws. I informed that person Cleita Sep 2014 #90
The Executive, the Judicial and the Santa Maria, right? LanternWaste Sep 2014 #97
Many Americans are dumber than a box of rocks. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #98
I think those are the ones who think the President "runs the country" treestar Sep 2014 #101
civics isn't taught in school anymore as far as I can tell notadmblnd Sep 2014 #102
I prolly have more friends Go Vols Sep 2014 #103

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
82. There's a good argument that our current form of government no longer works.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:32 PM
Sep 2014

It clearly is not "representative," not with only 435 fund-raising oriented folk pretending to represent 310,000,000 people. Add to that the tea bagger industry, which is little more than a Koch funded effort to control everything, and it becomes obvious that our cistern no longer functions. System.

When the country was first designed, congress would actually meet and know their constituents, or many of them. Now, most congressmen have 750,000+ people in some of their districts. (ignoring ND, SD, etc). It is an impossibility for "representative" government to work.

We need a new design. We need a better use of technology, in a way that won't fail in case of war, catastrophe, or attacks. We need more people, many more people in government. Even if we tripled its size, it might not be enough. We also need to fund elections, take corporate input and money out of it, and we need to prevent the 0.001% from owning so many in the house and senate.

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
94. it might be
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 03:02 PM
Sep 2014

best if we could somehow peg the number of representatives to the guidelines set in Article I, section 2.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
100. It is a beautiful document, isn't it?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 04:30 PM
Sep 2014

And the idea that a representative was limited to appearing for no more than 30,000 makes sense today, just like it did 200 years ago. I am remiss in my history, because even though I even taught law to foreign lawyers and judges, I do not recall when that particular section was ignored.

rickford66

(5,524 posts)
106. I'd like a weighted voting system in the House.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 09:50 PM
Sep 2014

The number of representatives remains as is, but each has a variable vote as a function of the number of people they represent. So, the Congressman from Wyoming, the least populist state, for example would get one vote but each Congressman from say California would get 1.2 or 1.4 votes. I'm making the numbers up. That would be closer to real representation that the founding fathers envisioned as opposed to the over representation that some states now have.

yuiyoshida

(41,832 posts)
2. Why should they
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:23 AM
Sep 2014

bother to know that when FOX NEWS will tell them EVERYTHING they need to know?

Yes..Lots of idiots in this country.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
61. You are going to blame tv for education's failure?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:52 PM
Sep 2014

That says alot right there. Teachers are supposed to be teaching our system of government. They are not.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
80. No.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:25 PM
Sep 2014

How do you know they are not teaching it? Do you honestly think there is a national failure of social studies teachers to omit civics from the curriculum?

Maybe they are teaching it, but the kids are too busy playing on their cell phones. (They are permitted to have them in class now!)

Maybe like so many other high school subjects, it is forgotten on graduation day.

Maybe it is not on the standardized test, so it has been cut from the curriculum.

What is incredible is your assumption that teachers are somehow negligent because people do not pay attention to government. Hell, most people do not know the name of the Vice President or which party controls the House.

If it is so important to you, why don't you research it instead of "blaming" teachers?


former9thward

(32,025 posts)
85. You seem to think teachers have no role in any of those problems.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:38 PM
Sep 2014

Almost as if they are some disinterested party who happens to be the classroom that day.

When I was in law school I taught a course on the Bill of Rights at a local high school. All the students had computers in front of them. I told them to turn the computers off. The teacher told me, "We allow them to have the computers on in case something comes up that they want to look up" Of course that was BS, the students were using the computers for social media, games and pretty much anything except class. I told the teacher that policy would not be in effect when I was in the room. They would either turn them off or I would leave. The computers were turned off and we had a decent series of classes.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
81. Every History teacher teaches this...and then students leave and become part of a work force that...
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:31 PM
Sep 2014

does nothing to reinforce a workers rights to know anything about the larger World they live in.
Yes, TV, especially FOX like, want you to know how to worry more about if you are working hard enough to buy something.

The same reason most don't know all 50 States...they don't need that to become a good little Capitalistic soldier.
The Fox types want to tell you everything you need to know about government and every State and Country.

Tikki

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
86. Did you forget basic math when you graduated?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:41 PM
Sep 2014

Did you forget basic English and writing when you graduated. If it is taught there is no reason to forget basic government when you leave school. This constant blaming others for every single problem does not solve anything.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
88. No because I used it daily....and no one was telling me over and over again that 1 + 1=3
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:45 PM
Sep 2014

And if they were I wasn't a sheep type to listen.

Tikki

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
93. They teach it and it is drowned out by rich people telling you to buy stuff
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 02:43 PM
Sep 2014

The average person spends more time watching advertisements than studying. Is anyone surprised to find out that this has resulted in widespread ignorance?

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
4. Is that correlated with voting registration and intention, though?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:25 AM
Sep 2014

Are the civically ignorant also civically disengaged?

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
5. By design.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:25 AM
Sep 2014

The PTB don't need the unwashed rabble to know civics to keep their lawns mowed and toe nails painted.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. Seems like Official Policy since Nov. 22, 1963
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:37 AM
Sep 2014

"Let us think of education as the means of developing our greatest abilities, because in each of us there is a private hope and dream which, fulfilled, can be translated into benefit for everyone and greater strength for our nation." -- President John F. Kennedy

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
43. The funny bits are the wacked out conspiracy theories that came out of one lone nut...
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:05 PM
Sep 2014

assassinating the president.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
47. Like how the CIA's man on the Warren Commission failed to mention CIA-Mafia assassination program?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:10 PM
Sep 2014

Then, when the House Select Committee on Assassination investigating years later began to close in on the connections, the CIA appointed the person monitoring Oswald in New Orleans to derail their investigation?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024176773

Just curious: Did you go to a public school, MohRokTah? If so, from where and when did you graduate?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
52. I do. Here's why.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:31 PM
Sep 2014
A short history of Conspiracy Theory.

As for solid evidence, check the White House tapes where unindicted co-conspirator Richard Milhous Nixon approves hiring a man who would kill anyone asked "on orders" to head the Secret Service detail guarding Sen. Ted Kennedy.

You can hear Nixon and Haldeman discuss it, about 40 minutes into the HBO documentary "Nixon by Nixon." While I had read the part of the transcript available years ago, and wrote about it on DU, almost no one I know has heard anything about it.



Ted Kennedy survived Richard Nixon's Plots

By Don Fulsom

In September 1972, Nixon’s continued political fear, personal loathing, and jealously of Kennedy led him to plant a spy in Kennedy’s Secret Service detail.

The mole Nixon selected for the Kennedy camp was already being groomed. He was a former agent from his Nixon’s vice presidential detail, Robert Newbrand—a man so loyal he once pledged he would do anything—even kill—for Nixon.

The President was most interested in learning about the Sen. Kennedy’s sex life. He wanted, more than anything, stated Haldeman in The Ends of Power, to “catch (Kennedy) in the sack with one of his babes.”

In a recently transcribed tape of a September 8, 1972 talk among the President and aides Bob Haldeman and Alexander Butterfield, Nixon asks whether Secret Service chief James Rowley would appoint Newbrand to head Kennedy’s detail:

Haldeman: He's to assign Newbrand.

President Nixon: Does he understand that he's to do that?

Butterfield: He's effectively already done it. And we have a full force assigned, 40 men.

Haldeman: I told them to put a big detail on him (unclear).

President Nixon: A big detail is correct. One that can cover him around the clock, every place he goes. (Laughter obscures mixed voices.)

President Nixon: Right. No, that's really true. He has got to have the same coverage that we give the others, because we're concerned about security and we will not assume the responsibility unless we're with him all the time.

Haldeman: And Amanda Burden (one of Kennedy’s alleged girlfriends) can't be trusted. (Unclear.) You never know what she might do. (Unclear.)

Haldeman then assures the President that Newbrand “will do anything that I tell him to … He really will. And he has come to me twice and absolutely, sincerely said, "With what you've done for me and what the President's done for me, I just want you to know, if you want someone killed, if you want anything else done, any way, any direction …"

President Nixon: The thing that I (unclear) is this: We just might get lucky and catch this son-of-a-bitch and ruin him for '76.

Haldeman: That's right.

President Nixon: He doesn't know what he's really getting into. We're going to cover him, and we are not going to take "no" for an answer. He can't say "no." The Kennedys are arrogant as hell with these Secret Service. He says, "Fine," and (Newbrand) should pick the detail, too.


Toward the end of this conversation, Nixon exclaims that Newbrand’s spying “(is) going to be fun,” and Haldeman responds: “Newbrand will just love it.”

Nixon also had a surveillance tip for Haldeman for his spy-to-be: “I want you to tell Newbrand if you will that (unclear) because he's a Catholic, sort of play it, he was for Jack Kennedy all the time. Play up to Kennedy, that "I'm a great admirer of Jack Kennedy." He's a member of the Holy Name Society. He wears a St. Christopher (unclear).” Haldeman laughs heartily at the President’s curious advice.

Despite the enthusiasm of Nixon and Haldeman, Newbrand apparently never produced anything of great value. When this particular round of Nixon’s spying on Kennedy was uncovered in 1997, The Washington Post quoted Butterfield as saying periodic reports on Kennedy's activities were delivered to Haldeman, but that Butterfield did not think any potentially damaging information was ever dug up.

SOURCE:

http://surftofind.com/tedkennedy



Why does that matter? The Warren Commission, and the nation's mass media, never heard about the CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro until the Church Committee in 1975. You'd think that would be a matter of concern to all Americans, especially considering how then-vice president Nixon was head of the "White House Action Team" that contacted the Mafia for murder.

This is the sort of information citizens of a democracy shouldn't have to search the Internet to learn. It should be taught in school, or at the least, discussed in the nation's mass media. I certainly think it's unfair for people -- especially those who consider themselves Democrats or democrats -- to label those interested in such subjects "Conspiracy Theorists."

If you have HBO, look it up. In the meantime, read. Don't watch tee vee.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
59. What JFK said, I hope for all, even you, MohRokTah.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:41 PM
Sep 2014

"Let us think of education as the means of developing our greatest abilities, because in each of us there is a private hope and dream which, fulfilled, can be translated into benefit for everyone and greater strength for our nation."

BTW: Does MohRokTah have a meaning besides your handle on DU? What does MohRokTah rhyme with? Are there other MohRokTahs?

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
62. the funny thing is...
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:52 PM
Sep 2014

...that poster gives you opportunity after opportunity to post information here on DU, information that he deems CT. Very useful!!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
69. The point of the thread is ignorance.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:06 PM
Sep 2014

The cure for that is education.

Like knowing where Poppy Bush was on Nov. 22, 1963 should be of interest to any Democrat.

ETA: Or Republican or Independent or anyone who cares about Justice.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
96. As is expecting character from those who rationalizing a lack of tipping...
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 03:21 PM
Sep 2014

"it's a pointless exercise.."

As is expecting character from those who rationalizing a lack of tipping...

(since we're into thread de-railing and all...)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
84. Afraid someone will learn something?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:38 PM
Sep 2014

The assassination of President Kennedy changed the course of the nation. Do you honestly believe we'd have five decades of "Money trumps peace" and the richer-get-richest had he lived to complete even one term? Bush and his cronies have done all they can to smear the New Frontier, dismantle the Great Society, and destroy the New Deal.

For some reason, you don't like me to bring that to DU's attention, Dreamer Tatum. Seems when I bring it up, you like to shut it down. An example from 2009:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6843822

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
91. No, I'm afraid that the internet will slow down for all the links attached.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 02:00 PM
Sep 2014

I am FINE with you bringing the JFK matter to everyone's attention. Here is what I'd be FINER with, just in case you care:
can the JFK CT crowd maybe use one of the annual get-togethers/smokers/BBQs/chili cookoffs/Indian Prince/whatever gatherings they have to, say, publish something definitive on the subject? The man was killed 50 years ago. The Warren report also has gray hair. Surely after DECADES the CT squad has settled on a primary theory. Surely that theory can be committed to paper and disseminated, so it can stand against, for openers, the Warren Commission report.

Otherwise it just seems like a bunch of people who like spitballing about whose boogers were found on the street after the limo went by.

(Incidentally, I was not born by 1963, nor by 1964, so I cannot possibly be part of the counter-conspiracy to shut you up)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
39. Agree about the importance of the Pruneface installation.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:58 AM
Sep 2014


Why not get rid of the US Department of Education?



For those new to the subject of socialism -- it's a word to denigrate and demonize Democrats.



Operation COFFEECUP.
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
17. +1 ...American Idol, Idiot, Star, Dancing, Food, latest Hollywood poop cam ...more important.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:08 AM
Sep 2014

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,841 posts)
13. Judicial, Legislative, and "Administrative" --GWB
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:47 AM
Sep 2014

And let's not forget that Cheney decided that the Vice President belonged to both & neither the Executive or Legislative branches so as to slither out of any oversight.
God damn all those bastards. We should have been a little less relieved to see them leave and a little more interested in hauling their thieving asses into court.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
14. I'm going to have to bookmark this.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:52 AM
Sep 2014

I'll use it from time to time, say every other day here, when people start posting that this statement by a Rethug, or that vote by the House will really cause a huge surge of people going out to vote against this, or that.

Since the survey also found that 20% of the people think that 5-4 Supreme Court decisions go to the Senate to be confirmed I suppose, Citizen United isn't going to upset them at all.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
15. People always seem surprised about this, and I can't understand why.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:54 AM
Sep 2014

Most people don't think about government except when they have to deal with it, and that's usually in some small way or through paying their taxes or something. It's not a part of their day-to-day thinking, and the civics class they slept through was a long, long time ago.

Even here on DU, I see people who don't really understand how our federal government functions. Such people expect the President to be able to sign a piece of paper and change everything. That level of ignorance of how this government actually functions is frightening, especially on a political discussion forum.

Education is the primary thing we all need to be doing. Helping people understand government makes it a lot easier when trying to convince them to come out and vote on election day. If they don't know why it matters or how it works, why should they bother? So, that's always part of GOTV efforts. It's amazing how many people don't know why their vote for state legislators matters, or even for local elected officials. If they don't know who has what power to do something, there's no reason to be concerned about who wins the election.

So, statistics like this don't surprise me at all. What surprises me is that we're not all thinking about how to correct that ignorance. Ignorance is correctable.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
30. I don't know that people are surprised by this, but it's worth reporting on
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:47 AM
Sep 2014

I agree about education. Civics should be a part of the curriculum from the early grades- like starting in 1st grading. I think it is worth noting the differences between the 2011 survey and this one. quite a leap of ignorance regarding these basics.

I'd be curious to know how the U.S. compares to other nations in this regard.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
63. The education I'm talking about is for adults, not kids.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:56 PM
Sep 2014

As a political activist, I believe it's also my responsibility to provide that education whenever I can. Political parties, too, should be working on educational projects for adults. It is the adults who are voting now, not the children, and they should be voting based on actual knowledge. We don't require that, but we should facilitate it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
72. Sure, that's also a good idea, but much, much harder to accomplish
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:14 PM
Sep 2014

children is grade school now will be voting in a decade or so. and this is a problem that will take time to solve. It's much more difficult to educate adults.

Perhaps when it comes to adults, the most effective way of educating them would be a broad internet and tv campaign.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
75. A decade or two is forever in political terms.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:20 PM
Sep 2014

Of course kids should be educated about this stuff. Most are, and most forget it an hour later. Lots of adults had that education and have simply forgotten what they learned. There's evidence of that right here on DU, for pete's sake, and this is supposed to be a politically aware discussion forum.

We're (political parties) so busy running attack ads that we don't spend any time educating voters in any real way.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
67. at age 14
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:02 PM
Sep 2014

of these countries studied...

Australia, Belgium (French), Bulgaria, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, England, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong SAR, Hungary, Israel, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russian Federation, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and United States

the United States came in sixth after Poland (#1), Finland, Cyprus, Greece, and Hong Kong SAR



http://www.iea.nl/cived.html

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
57. Yes I agree, seems like some think Obama can do anything he wants, don't think he is limited
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:35 PM
Sep 2014

and must follow the Constitution. Others seems to think how they interrupt the Constitution is how it should be but it isn't. I know we tend to think the president is responsible for all bills passed or not passed. Information is so easily obtained, some from bad sources such as FOX but a little research from reputable sources can clear up FOX lies. If it sounds too good to be true then it just might be a lie. Thanks for your post.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
16. Freedom! Constitution!
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:05 AM
Sep 2014

Probably that one third are people who yell those two words all the time.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
41. If the concentration of stupidity becomes dense enough
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:01 PM
Sep 2014

it will collapse in on itself and suck the entire universe beyond the singularity of stupid into a mass of stupid from which not a single intelligent thought can escape. We seem to be on our way...

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
50. Einstein was right!
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:16 PM
Sep 2014

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

Mini-black holes of stupidity already exist. See, e.g., Bachmann, M., and Gohmert, L. Further scientific examination of these phenomena is merited, though only in secure locations.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
19. They must be from the Rick Perry school of morons..
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:16 AM
Sep 2014

its really time to go back to basics in school...

Lets learn about ourselves first. Things we should know vs things that that could be elective.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
23. Noam Chomsky on Democracy and Education in the 21st Century
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:31 AM
Sep 2014

Worth reading the whole thing:

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/16651-noam-chomsky-on-democracy-and-education-in-the-21st-century-and-beyond

Finland's, which has the best educational system in the world, by the records at least, is free. Germany's is free. The United States in the 1950s was a much poorer country. But education was basically free: the GI Bill and so on. So there's no real economic reason for high-priced higher education and skyrocketing student debt. There are a lot of factors. And one of them, probably, is just that students are trapped.

The other is what's happening to teachers like you. They're turning into adjuncts, temporary workers who have no rights, you know. I don't have to tell you what it's like, you can tell me.

But the more you can get the graduate students, temporary workers, two-tier payment, the more people you have under control - and all of that's been going on. And now it's institutionalized with No Child Left Behind/Race to the Top; teach to the test - worst possible way of teaching. But it is a disciplinary technique. Schools are designed to teach the test. You don't have to worry about students thinking for themselves, challenging, raising questions. And you see it down to the lowest level of detail. I give a lot of talks in communities and places where people are concerned about education and I've had teachers come up to me and say afterwards, you know, I teach sixth grade. A little girl came up after class and said she was interested in something that came up in class, and wanted to know how to look into it. And I tell her, you can't do it; you got to study for the test. Your future depends on it; my salary depends on it.

And that's happening all over. And it has the obvious technique of dumbing down the population, and also controlling them. And it's bipartisan. The Obama administration is pushing it. Also, an effort to kill the schools - the charter school movement vouchers, all this kind of stuff is nothing but an effort to destroy the public education system. It claims that it gives the parents choices, but that's ridiculous.
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
26. This will only get worse as those of us who actually had a Civics course in high school start...
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:40 AM
Sep 2014

to die off.

As I understand it, it's been quite a few years since Civics was standard in school curriculum.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
44. I think I was introduced to this stuff in about 7th or 8th grade.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:06 PM
Sep 2014

How a bill becomes a law and all that stuff. I wasn't especially interested at the time but at least I learned it and remembered most of it later one when it became relevant to me. I don't know if they teach it at all any more.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
64. That Schoolhouse Rock thing needs updating to include lobbyists
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:56 PM
Sep 2014

who now write the laws and then "shop" for Congressmembers to sponsor their bill.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
27. They are.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:43 AM
Sep 2014

And the Republicans will work long and hard to keep it this way.

Sadly I have to a great degree just stepped away.

Dr. Strange

(25,921 posts)
42. I can name all three.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:03 PM
Sep 2014

In fact, I have many names for all three.

This topic reminds me of my Cracked photoplasty entry:

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
48. Hate to say it, but it's not just teahadists
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:13 PM
Sep 2014

It may not even be primarily teahadists. Having spent my lifetime hanging around fellow progressives, I'm quite used to them having well-thought-out, well-informed positions on everything from transgender rights to Palestinian statehood to GMOs, but having no clue who represents them in the state or federal legislature, how the judicial appeals process works, or how laws get passed. Ironically, because I know those things and care about them, I'm often perceived as being more to the right than they are; I've even been tarred as an "apologist for power" just because I know how government actually functions. Loathe as I am to admit it, the smart conservatives I know have a better sense of U.S. civics than the smart liberals.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
51. Well schools are concerned with tee shorts and other so called important things
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:28 PM
Sep 2014

No time to teach. We tried giving a voter exam and nobody thought that was fair to expect everyone to know basic facts about government so this is what we are left with.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
54. Guess who can? Naturalized citizens.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:33 PM
Sep 2014

You have to know stuff like that to pass the citizenship test.

Deal with it, nativists!

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
73. 100 percent correct.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:15 PM
Sep 2014

Meanwhile, many native-born Americans apparently consider ignorance their birthright.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
58. Guaranteed they know who won the
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:40 PM
Sep 2014

last Superbowl.

In California high school students take one semester of government in 12th grade and there is virtually no discussion ever of current events. When i was in high school back in the 60s the government teacher arranged for each student to have and read a newspaper every Friday. A few minutes each class period was devoted to what was going on in the world.

People today have too many distractions. Between trying to earn a living, watching sports, watching trash tv, and playing video games, they have no time to be informed citizens.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
65. I think that when you take Civics lessons out of the school
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:58 PM
Sep 2014

curriculum, you end up with children who don't understand how govt works. I remember the little school house rocks cartoon/ song diddy from when I was a child... There is nothing even like that for kids today.

It's not that people are stupid, it's that people haven't been taught in any meaningful manner as to how important their rights are and how our govt works. I know that we had teachers who did teach this in school. It wasn't exact in a history book or what not... But we had teachers who would teach civics past the droning of 3 branches, and forget the lesson by the next semester.

We had mock govt set ups, debates, current events regarding the differing branches, review of supreme court judicial law... With all of that, I was still one of the only ones in my college, among my friends to actually vote... And even then, I didn't really understand the rules... If I had been registered in SC to vote back in 2000, my vote would have carried more weight than my vote I cast in VT by mail in ballot. I did not know that I could register to vote in SC and still be a resident of VT without it effecting my school financials. There is a huge disconnect with rules and voting and such in college campuses all across this nation, and I think that if more young people were educated and aware of their rights, young Americans, who tend to be more progressive and modern in views, would make a huge difference in winning outcomes. Most of these kids/ young adults really don't start voting or paying attention to local politics until they are settled down in a community after their college daze. And it's a really huge, untapped market of persons who could really effect a change in a community where they reside, work, pay taxes, etc for 4 yrs of their lives (maybe more if they stay on and attend grad school).

I bet if college kids became a large voting block, the amount of money they have to spend attending college would change greatly. Perhaps states would tax progressively to ensure that their colleges and universities could compete with low tuition rates, while offering a sound education.

Our children need to be more informed, more active, more vocal. There should be statewide competitions for schools to achieve a ballot initiative for everyone to vote on. There should be forms to register to vote at the moment they turn 18... Perhaps, even, we could reduce the voting age to 16 like many other progressive countries do. Many European countries allow drinking and voting at the age of 16. Could you imagine if you got these kids in the junior and senior year to begin the process of voting and learning about issues and debating and having politicians come into their schools to try and sway opinion or to debate their opponents. It would be really quite nice if we did move the voting age down to 16... Seeing that children can emancipate theirselves at that age from their parents, that they drive, many are working at minimum wage jobs and in kitchens with spattering fry grease, etc, an paying insurance on their vehicles, having to save money for college or their first apts when they turn 18, and yes, even paying taxes and fees on purchases and other services they must enact. I think it would be more than fair for these young adults to be able to vote... Especially because they are the ones who will be of the age to volunteer to go into military services and they will be the "boots on the ground" that will be fighting wars our politicians send them to. It's more than fair that they should have a voice and a say in who those politicians are that make those types of decisions that could maime or kill them.

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
68. Back in high school, when dinosaurs still walked Earth's cooling crust ...
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:05 PM
Sep 2014

... Illinois required both 8th grade students and high school seniors to take and pass what was called the 'Constitution test'. Passing was 75%, and the test covered both the state and federal constitutions.

Things have changed, it seems.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
74. I'd like to know what the question was and what the acceptable answers were.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:16 PM
Sep 2014

They shouldn't have to say, for example, "Executive, legislative, and judicial."

"The President, Congress, and the Supreme Court" would mean the same thing. It's hard to believe that 1/3 of people don't know we have a President who leads a branch of the government.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
76. "A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:21 PM
Sep 2014
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again." Alexander Pope

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
79. I'm haunted by the NSA's repeated denial of the existence of "probable cause" in the 4th Amendment
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:23 PM
Sep 2014

And the fact that the only person who really covered this truly appalling incident was Keith Olbermann.



Then NSA head Gen. Michael Hayden even had the chutzpah to lecture the reporter who pressed him on this: "Believe me, if there’s any amendment to the Constitution that employees of the National Security Agency are familiar with it’s the Fourth."

If Americans were informed about the Constitution, this would've been major news -- and a national outrage.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
89. We have the government we deserve
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:45 PM
Sep 2014

I do my best to educate my children, people I know, to learn what is going on in the world and get out and vote their own interest.

We see time after time, apathy and ignorance keeping bad politicians in office.

Ferguson, MO is a great example...9% voter turnout, all white government and nearly all white police force. While I empathize with them over the Michael Brown incident and the bad police conduct in the days thereafter, they have a responsibility now to organize, register to vote, and get those creeps out of there....we all have the same obligation.

IMO we either get smarter as a society or we continue along with a corrupt government run by the rich until the pitchforks come out.



Cleita

(75,480 posts)
90. On a local level, I was told that the sheriff makes the laws. I informed that person
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:51 PM
Sep 2014

that the sheriff's job was to enforce the laws. Legislators made the laws. Person had no idea what legislators are, in this case the County Board of Supervisors, for the particular laws in question we were discussing at the time. Now I know for many of us, who had civics at junior high level, we could use a refresher course. If our corporate media won't educate people on how government works, who will? Perhaps ongoing free classes at the public library, staffed with volunteers, would help for those who are interested. I know years ago the public library in my town had literacy classes for people who couldn't read, yes there are many who can't, especially immigrants and they were successful. Maybe such an effort would work to make people informed about their government.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
97. The Executive, the Judicial and the Santa Maria, right?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 03:22 PM
Sep 2014

The Executive, the Judicial and the Santa Maria, right?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
101. I think those are the ones who think the President "runs the country"
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 04:35 PM
Sep 2014

and that the officers beneath that level are just his minions.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
103. I prolly have more friends
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 05:22 PM
Sep 2014

that could tell you every SEC school,but not the 3 branches of Govt or who heads them.


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