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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:40 PM Sep 2014

Saudis No Different Than ISIS - Why Would They Fight Their Brothers In Beheading.

Saudi Arabia and ISIS are very little different. They behead people at the "drop of a hat" as well. And I will bet many of their supposed princes are financially supporting ISIS.

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TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
1. House of Saud doesn't want those guys getting into SA and overturning the Kingdom.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:42 PM
Sep 2014

They EXPORT terrorism, they don't let it in.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. It goes beyond the predilection for beheading people
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:44 PM
Sep 2014

the religious beliefs of ISIS are very much aligned with Wahabism, but here's why they're fighting ISIS. ISIS has its sights clearly focused on SA. They want their oil wells and they want Mecca. The ruling elite is fully aware of how they'd fare. And there is very little evidence to support that SA princes are funding ISIS.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
4. Their monarchy isn't (officially) ruled by princes, but one king.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:46 PM
Sep 2014

So their king "said" Saudi Arabia loathes these criminals, that they aren't "Islamic" nor a "State" so maybe he's afraid all his proles would leave his kingdom to join their "global" caliphate?

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
5. an official in Qatar is quoted as saying ISIS is a Saudi project
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:02 PM
Sep 2014
T]wo of the most successful factions fighting Assad’s forces are Islamist extremist groups: Jabhat al-Nusra [al-Qaeda in Syria] and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the latter of which is now amassing territory in Iraq and threatening to further destabilize the entire region. And that success is in part due to the support they [ISIL] have received from two Persian Gulf countries: Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Qatar did not deny they fund both al-Qaeda groups, ISIL and Front, but they told Steve Clemons of the Atlantic that ISIL is a covert project of Saudi Arabia's Prince Bandar.

Qatar’s military and economic largesse has made its way to Jabhat al-Nusra, to the point that a senior Qatari official told me he can identify al-Nusra commanders by the blocks they control in various Syrian cities. But ISIS is another matter. As one senior Qatari official stated, “ISIS has been a Saudi project.”.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/16/1330029/-Saudis-Lobbied-John-McCain-Lindsey-Graham-to-sell-War#

Longer analysis of the relationship and history of Wahhabi and Saudi royalty:

"On the one hand, ISIS is deeply Wahhabist. On the other hand, it is ultra radical in a different way. It could be seen essentially as a corrective movement to contemporary Wahhabism."
...
In the collaborative management of the region by the Saudis and the West in pursuit of the many western projects (countering socialism, Ba'athism, Nasserism, Soviet and Iranian influence), western politicians have highlighted their chosen reading of Saudi Arabia (wealth, modernization and influence), but they chose to ignore the Wahhabist impulse.

After all, the more radical Islamist movements were perceived by Western intelligence services as being more effective in toppling the USSR in Afghanistan -- and in combatting out-of-favor Middle Eastern leaders and states.

Why should we be surprised then, that from Prince Bandar's Saudi-Western mandate to manage the insurgency in Syria against President Assad should have emerged a neo-Ikhwan type of violent, fear-inducing vanguard movement: ISIS? And why should we be surprised -- knowing a little about Wahhabism -- that "moderate" insurgents in Syria would become rarer than a mythical unicorn? Why should we have imagined that radical Wahhabism would create moderates? Or why could we imagine that a doctrine of "One leader, One authority, One mosque: submit to it, or be killed" could ever ultimately lead to moderation or tolerance?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. no, not just because. because of all the Arab states, it is Qatar
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:42 PM
Sep 2014

that is reportedly most involved with supporting ISIS.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
9. ISIS want al-Baghdadi to be the caliph, Saudi king wants to keep his throne
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 02:03 PM
Sep 2014

That's the only difference, and the only reason Saudi Arabia is frightened of ISIS and wanting the US to take them out.

I say that Saudis Arabia created ISIS, they have plenty of US-supplied weapons, Saudi Arabia should take out ISIS.

Bring US troops home!

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