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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI will not apologize.
People of privilege, of either gender, do not know the struggles of working people.
Screw you Ann Romney. A stay at home mother of wealth and privilege does not know the meaning of work. Neither do their good-for-nothing husbands of privilege.
I know, to you the horrors of maintaining a staff to raise your children and look after your mansions must be tiring, but take some personal fucking responsibility for your choices...because you know you actually have choices unlike most of us.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Demonaut
(8,919 posts)calimary
(81,322 posts)aggiesal
(8,918 posts)$2.50/Hr. for their nannies.
unkachuck
(6,295 posts)"A stay at home mother of wealth and privilege does not know the meaning of work. Neither do their good-for-nothing husbands of privilege."
....hundreds of millions of dollars buys all the nannies, help and resources you need to raise children delicately....
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,247 posts)buying clearance dairy products/meats & hoping for the best; etc. etc. etc.
Most women can only dream of having a choice to work or not, to stay home and raise her children with the help of maids and nannies, OR heck, just to stay home and raise them without starving, OR double heck just to work one job, and have a little more time with her children.
Excuse me Ms. Rmoney - you are clueless...
emilyg
(22,742 posts)has MS. I'll leave her alone.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,247 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)I'm attacking the idea that people of privilege have anything in common at all with the rest of us.
Women, whether single or married everyday have to make gut retching choices about how to provide for their families both financially and materialistically. Basic survival and providing basic mothering. Everyday we see "news" stories to tell us we aren't doing enough, that we need to work harder and be better mothers.
I certainly wish Ann Romney well with her health, but you understand as well as the rest of us that she by the nature of her privilege has many advantages to fighting her disease that most women will never have. From the privilege of not having to work while fighting the disease, will not have to worry about bankrupting her family to get well, to having better access to health care that most of us will never have. She simply has every advantage that we will never know.
emilyg
(22,742 posts)my baby was 6 months old. Worked. I understand what you're saying.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)ya know what I mean
emilyg
(22,742 posts)like facts. Who is "them"?.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Who is "them"?
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)that Bishop Romney's minions would then trot out "breast cancer survivor" as their next tactic to present Sister Ann as "just like you other women!"
They are so predictable.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Let her stay home and out of the spotlight, and we'll leave her alone.
Bake
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)She has money for the best health care, housekeepers, best chefs, nannies, etc. etc, etc.
I have Lupus and had breast cancer. I almost died from lupus with no health insurance and have thousands of dollars left to pay from my breast cancer treatment.
I have no pity for her.
salin
(48,955 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)to stay home?
Does she have any fucking clue what it is like to find daycare for a child with disabilities?
Does she have any fucking clue what it's like to send your child to school with a cold because you cannot miss another day of work?
She is a rich, spoiled woman.
I am sorry about her illnesses BUT there are alot of women that have illnesses as well and cannot afford to stay home - even when they are going thru chemo.
NO Apologies.
The truth hurts, Ann!
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Choices, indeed.
emilyg
(22,742 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I have a friend... a very close friend who is fabulously well situated. She took 8 months off from work (and her husband doesn't work and they have no kids) to deal with her treatment. She had colleagues to take over her work load and when she returned, for a year+ afteA, she only worked 2-3 hours a day. During her sabbatical, she signed up on an online site that had a calendar to schedule time with her... walks, tea, cards and board games, chemo days to bring meals over... I wasn't envious that she had the time to deal with her treatment or the leisure to enjoy the attention of friends. I was pissed off that those perks are only enjoyed by the wealthy. Not so in France.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)her party is making sure they never will
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)that women can't get the medical choices needed to provide best for their own care because those repukes just know--just know--that all those women are faking it just to get breast implants---that's all they want. Sarcasm? Yes, but give it some time and we'll find out some rethug legislator somewhere has said this mess.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Obama apologized, and that will be one of 1,000 reasons he has a second term.
That people care about.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Response to me b zola (Original post)
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SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)As if women who work outside the home AND have kids haven't "chosen motherhood." She is sickening. No Ann, what that CNN talking head meant to say was that you never worked a day at a paying job outside your mansion(s). You have no clue what it's like for most moms, who HAVE TO hold down some dreary job just so they can "choose motherhood."
cry baby
(6,682 posts)I worked and was poor. I got married to a poor guy and we were struggling, then my hubby got a great job that, after paying off debts, allowed me to stay home to raise my kids. There are plenty of women that stay home and work hard for their families.
It's just really hard to read liberals writing and slamming someone, particularly a woman, for her choices.
Now I read really shitty things said about her and, I'm sorry, but she doesn't deserve ridicule for choosing to stay home to raise 5 kids.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)She is being ridiculed for claiming to know what the average woman's struggles are. She has no clue. And what is so troubling about that is her husband says he is relying on her to tell him. Apparently Romney's policy on women is going to depend on that Ann Romney tells him women need from their government. And when the CNN talking head had the audacity to object, the Romneys called it a "war on motherhood." Rovian politics at its best.
cry baby
(6,682 posts)about women and has to rely on his wife talking to women on the campaign trail. In my opinion, she would be a 100% better candidate than he.
I heard plenty of insults for my choice to stay home. I know that some are talking about her lack of financial struggles, but I also recognize some of what I heard personally.
She seems like a nice person to me and I don't feel like it's politically smart to brutally attack her.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)Ok, so you heard insults for your choice to stay home and you're obviously still very sensitive about that. But we're talking about Rosen's comments about Ann Romney. Nothing Rosen said attacked Ann Romney for choosing to stay at home. Rosen attacked Ann for her claim to know average woman's struggles. Since the average women works AND chooses motherhood (indeed they work to feed their kids), it is preposterous that a women who has never struggled financially, let alone held down a paying job, could claim to know the average woman's struggles. And then, for Ann to try to spin it as an "attack" on her decision to "choose motherhood" shows she's just a slimy as her husband. She is implying that women who work are not "choosing motherhood." She is NOT a nice person. A nice person would have told Mitt to fuck off and taken poor old Shamus down off the roof of the car!
cry baby
(6,682 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:39 PM - Edit history (1)
A. Romney hadn't worked a day in her life. Independent women heard nothing else after that sentence. We had all the cards in the war on women argument and this is a road bump on that path.
Comments like that only serve to excite our opposition. It's plain stupid to go after the wife of a candidate when one of our winning talking points is respect and equal rights for women.
It's my nature to see all things from a political perspective. I also think it's prudent to control outrage until that outrage will get you what you want.
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)and raising children.
Unfortunately, now days that choice becomes more of a privilege. She has no idea how hard it is for a mother that HAS to work and doesn't have the luxury of raising children at home.
Nothing is "wrong" with it at all. Living wages for a family is very hard in these times. This is not an attack, it is reality.
cry baby
(6,682 posts)The thing that's unfortunate is that calling her names and attacking her about her inexperience of the 99% is a loser in the political world. Anybody with a brain already rolls their eyes when she says that she understands us. We just don't need to show our outrage at the wife of a candidate. I worry that it will undermine our efforts to place the war on women around the neck of the GOP.
Attacking the wife of any candidate is a losing proposition politically.
It seems so far, that I am alone here on DU with that opinion, but I gotta speak up cause I think this could hurt dems.
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)However, I honestly think she shouldn't have said anything at all.
We all know the wealth of the Romney's. She made working Moms feel insignificant. She made it look like she has no clue. People are struggling right now.
She shouldn't have said anything at all. I will not and cannot defend that type of behavior.
All I can say is Ann... shut up. Your husband is making an ass of himself enough!
cry baby
(6,682 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)I was more than ready to blast Rosen with both barrels because of the deep admiration and complete respect for the sacrifices my mother made and the tough times she made to care for me and my sisters but her comments were not in the ballpark of any swipe at my mother or the women that made similar choices as her and for the chronic apologizers and hand-twisters to join the fucking scum of the earth in attacking this woman for her on target comments disgusts me. Fucking ACORN all over again.
You want to yourself at the hip to Mrs. Warbucks then go ahead but don't you dare tie my mother and other women like her to that royalist snob layabout.
Too think about how we struggled and how my mother had to ask me to help with bills with my after school job and even pretend this economic royalist out on the trail to make every effort to make life harder for women, the poor, school kids, and working people and now see you seers of the political playing this absurd game makes me want to puke and cuss you up one side and down the other. It is a visceral reaction to absolute dishonesty and the exact bullshit that ALWAYS bites us right on the ass and makes no sense at all.
Who the fuck do y'all think you are appeasing with this mealymouthed, duck and cover silly shit???
This is the EXACT kind of nonsense that I have no desire to associate with and am deeply ashamed to be connected to.
The perfect shitstorm of craven, stupid, out of touch, and lack of fortitude.
NOTHING HURTS THE PARTY MORE THAN THIS PERPETUAL CHUMP ACT, EXCEPT ASSIMILATING THE TEAPUBLIKLAN POLICIES AND WORLDVIEW.
FUCKING STOP IT!
cry baby
(6,682 posts)How nice it is to experience respectful disagreement! Yup, that's sarcasm.
You can be outraged at me for my opinion that this course of action isn't politically expedient, but, if I may suggest, that you save your outrage and use it for a positive result. Spending it on a candidate's wife, or me, is counter-productive.
donheld
(21,311 posts)or at least a sock. Dirty preferred.
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)when it all gets to be too much for her to bare?...
Domingo Tavella
(41 posts)A lady who must watch over her servants to make sure the silver has been properly set at the table is doing no trivial work. Duties such as advising her handsome boys about any unevenness in their hair partitions, or practicing her musical scales to sing at Church (sorry, at Temple in this case), are not endeavors against which to compare the lowly activities of the average American woman, whose sense of taste leaves much to be desired. Besides, lady Romney is no cookie-baking matron, she is an example of refinement to the majority of Republican women, whose only inkling about entertaining comes from what they see on television and who haven't had, until now, any real role models. An apology is due, to be sure.
MsPithy
(809 posts)How many women get to make the "choice" to have 5 kids while the husband spends 4 years at Harvard, and neither of them have to work? And, she "doesn't think of herself as rich!"
And, it takes a lot of gall for a Republican woman to say Republicans support women's choices! Second only to tax cuts, preventing women from having a right to choose is their main goal.
She really is blundering into "Let them eat cake," territory.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)There is no way the Romneys didn't have a staff of household workers to do anything that was too troubling. After all she was sick alot.
Hey I have respect for anybody that faces serious medical problems like cancer and MS and she was very fortunate to be able to have the money she needed to get probably the world's best the health care. You can do that when money is no object.
And she was lucky to have the money she needed to pay for help around the house.
Her work as a mother raising 5 boys was a kind of work, but it does not compare to the work of a mom in a working class family who raises 5 kids. The super-rich do not face the same kinds of decisions and struggles with money as a family where money is an issue.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)do you know how much work managing nannies is?
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)and they decided that what CNN contributor Hillary Rosen said somehow reflects on all Democrats, and then they take the meaning of what she said out of context.
On the other hand, they have decided that what Mr. Frosty Freeze said about hoping that Pres. Obama's teleprompters are bullet proof is not relevant to anything.
The media is quite obvious in what they are doing, but they hope that enough of us are so stupid that we won't realize that what they are working on is making this election as close as they can make it in order to get advertising dollars to the maximum from all parties and all pacs.
The media will lie, distort, exaggerate, manipulate and whatever else it needs to do to get this election money into their coffers, period. And the paid pundits are there to assist.
The media doesn't give a shit about women, men, children, policies, or what is good for this country, and they need to be called on it....
The media is treasonous, and they will never, ever be on our side. We must fight them in order to let them know that we aren't as stupid as they want to believe, and that whatever Romney's wife said, it won't provide contraception or save Planned Parenthood to somehow be on Ann Romney's side of this ficticious argument that they have conjured up and are feeding to us.
The Media is underestimating the intelligence of Women as much as Camp Romney is. They need to be made to pay for this bullshit!
Taverner
(55,476 posts)You should never have to apologize for this
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)I am SICK and TIRED of having Hilary Rosen's 100% accurate statement twisted into something COMPLETELY different by the presstitutes in the Korporate M$M...
Ann Rmoney has NO FUCKING IDEA what working mothers have to go through...
marshall gaines
(347 posts)ten four to that. Neither does her ditz of a husband. BETCHA Obama does.
marshall gaines
(347 posts)I agree, rich people are different and out of touch with us out here in the trenches struggling everyday. This issue you put in perspective, nicely
saras
(6,670 posts)ANYONE can know anything they damn well choose to learn.
Ann Romney CHOSE to not learn about work, about the poor, about the economy, about business.
Stop giving her a free pass on it just because she was born wealthy. You're suggesting that EVERYONE who was born wealthy has a right to not understand anyone who wasn't.