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EEO

(1,620 posts)
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:02 PM Sep 2014

FDR was a great man. He would never become president today because of the media.

Mainly because of his inability to walk on his own, but I am sure they would harp on that and anything else they could find.

Example talking point:

"Can a man who can't walk on his own lead our country?"

What others can you think of that define our despicable Yellow Journalism media?

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FDR was a great man. He would never become president today because of the media. (Original Post) EEO Sep 2014 OP
he used the word "liberal" often and proudly. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #1
Falx News would be sure to film every frame of FDR trying to get into his car....and then laugh... BlueJazz Sep 2014 #2
they wouldn't be so explicit about that unblock Sep 2014 #3
good point treestar Sep 2014 #4
He married a cousin. lpbk2713 Sep 2014 #5
They would go the "he's a communist" route and... steve2470 Sep 2014 #6
and the left would go the 'He's DLC' route wyldwolf Sep 2014 #8
yep nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #9
Nope Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #13
They actually DID accuse him of being the 1930s version. This is documented fact wyldwolf Sep 2014 #14
I've no idea who "they" is Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #17
your first clue to the answer to your question is post #8 wyldwolf Sep 2014 #19
You lost me when you equivocated Obama with Roosevelt. Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #20
facts never stood in the way of 'progressive' fundamentalism before so I didn't expect them to now. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #21
Yep, the Left DESPISED FDR while he was in office. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #15
It's amazing - one episode of The Roosevelts actually showed archived footage of it... wyldwolf Sep 2014 #22
The left reviled FDR as much as they do Obama now. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #23
And call him a warmonger FrodosPet Sep 2014 #16
His affair with Mrs Rutherford, his and Eleanor's separate lives, questioning their family values. jwirr Sep 2014 #7
A bunch of puritanical, hypocritical children in this country. EEO Sep 2014 #33
Agreed and it definitely does not determine what kind of president a man will be etc. but that jwirr Sep 2014 #35
Sadly, this is true. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #10
He did have a couple quirks. Archae Sep 2014 #11
He also helped put in place the military industrial complex. As with most presidents, a very... EEO Sep 2014 #24
Actually there was a group trying to overthrow him during his presidency still_one Sep 2014 #12
It surprises me none of them were ever jailed for what they planned. Archae Sep 2014 #26
At the time much of the media didn't take it seriously. Historians have a different view still_one Sep 2014 #31
I'd prefer Eleanor. The "too liberal" one. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #18
If a black community organizer with a father from Kenya can be elected President today, Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #25
We reap what FDR sowed today, Social Security has lived for 75 years. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #27
Geoffrey C. Ward said that FDR could not be elected today. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #28
He had lots of female groupies too. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #29
That's what would probably make it tough for JFK to get elected today. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #30
Poor Bill Clinton. EEO Sep 2014 #32
FDR would win hands-down. Octafish Sep 2014 #34
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
2. Falx News would be sure to film every frame of FDR trying to get into his car....and then laugh...
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:09 PM
Sep 2014

...about it and make jokes.

unblock

(52,317 posts)
3. they wouldn't be so explicit about that
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:15 PM
Sep 2014

at worst they would use coded language to keep reminding everyone obama is black.

but really, reminding someone is in a wheelchair isn't the same thing and can more easily backfire. there are sadly, plenty of bigots who hate and fear blacks with a passion. people don't have the same kind of hatred for the wheelchair-bound.

no, they would more likely go the commie route.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
4. good point
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:16 PM
Sep 2014

Even they would have to be careful about that.

Rush Limbaugh probably wouldn't censor himself though. He'd have mentioned it several times and cast aspersions on Eleanor's looks.

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
5. He married a cousin.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:17 PM
Sep 2014



A fifth cousin but his detractors would not make any distinction.

And he had personal liaisons they would surely uncover.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
6. They would go the "he's a communist" route and...
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:17 PM
Sep 2014

at every possible opportunity, show the footage of him being carried or assisted or on crutches. No words, just the images.

wyldwolf

(43,869 posts)
14. They actually DID accuse him of being the 1930s version. This is documented fact
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:46 PM
Sep 2014

No amount of "progressive" revisionism and FDR lionization can change it.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
17. I've no idea who "they" is
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:54 PM
Sep 2014

but I'm a progressive and FDR is the opposite of Third-Way Republican-Lite DLC and I've never seen another progressive say what you are asserting.

wyldwolf

(43,869 posts)
19. your first clue to the answer to your question is post #8
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:58 PM
Sep 2014

In my examination of the historical record, it is clear that Roosevelt endured vicious, unrelenting attacks from his left that often exceeded the level of vitriol directed at President Obama, and correspondingly, Roosevelt was not viewed by liberals of his day with the adulation and reverence liberals view him today.

In fact, it's pretty remarkable how closely the attacks Roosevelt experienced from his left echo the attacks that liberals make against Obama today. There was criticism of Roosevelt for being too close to Wall Street, criticism of the New Deal's pragmatism and non-ideological approach, criticism of the New Deal for not going nearly far enough, criticism of the New Deal and Roosevelt as preferring conservatism to liberalism, and so on.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/08/11/891631/-UPDATED-Liberal-Criticism-of-Franklin-Roosevelt-and-The-New-Deal#

Full of quotes and referenced sources.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
20. You lost me when you equivocated Obama with Roosevelt.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 07:09 PM
Sep 2014

You have a bias against "the left" that is well documented and you seem to thrive on pissing contests. I don't. You're like "debating" against some rwnj -- you're full of accusations -- each one more jaw-droppingly wrong than the last -- with the hopes that one might stick to the wall for a minute.

wyldwolf

(43,869 posts)
21. facts never stood in the way of 'progressive' fundamentalism before so I didn't expect them to now.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 07:11 PM
Sep 2014

wyldwolf

(43,869 posts)
22. It's amazing - one episode of The Roosevelts actually showed archived footage of it...
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 08:16 PM
Sep 2014

... and still some here deny it.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
23. The left reviled FDR as much as they do Obama now.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 08:17 PM
Sep 2014

Possibly more.

The left never thought he went far enough on any domestic policy (sound familiar?).

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
16. And call him a warmonger
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:51 PM
Sep 2014

After all, Germany was not threatening the U.S. mainland. And Pearl Harbor was merely a natural reaction to our interference in Japan's internal affairs.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. His affair with Mrs Rutherford, his and Eleanor's separate lives, questioning their family values.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:30 PM
Sep 2014

EEO

(1,620 posts)
33. A bunch of puritanical, hypocritical children in this country.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:33 AM
Sep 2014

None of that has any bearing on his qualifications.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
35. Agreed and it definitely does not determine what kind of president a man will be etc. but that
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:40 AM
Sep 2014

would not stop the rw today from using it.

Archae

(46,345 posts)
11. He did have a couple quirks.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:38 PM
Sep 2014

His locking up Japanese-Americans, based on hysteria and greed, will never be completely forgiven.
He also tried to "pack" the Supreme Court.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
24. He also helped put in place the military industrial complex. As with most presidents, a very...
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:18 PM
Sep 2014

complicated legacy.

Archae

(46,345 posts)
26. It surprises me none of them were ever jailed for what they planned.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 11:09 PM
Sep 2014

Nowadays we have far-right groups like "American Spring" trying to do so too, but their numbers are so small we just laugh at them.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
25. If a black community organizer with a father from Kenya can be elected President today,
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 11:08 PM
Sep 2014

it would probably be possible to elect an FDR.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
27. We reap what FDR sowed today, Social Security has lived for 75 years.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 11:32 PM
Sep 2014

It wasn't his only accomplishment but many would really be in trouble without having this in retirement. Thank you FDR for helping us.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
28. Geoffrey C. Ward said that FDR could not be elected today.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 11:39 PM
Sep 2014

He is the historian who wrote "The Roosevelts" and was featured in it. He said that FDR could not be elected today because Fox News would constantly be saying he was weak because he had polio and can't walk and was unfit for public office.

Alice Roosevelt Longworth attacked him in her middle age and said that because her father Teddy Roosevelt had conquered his illness (childhood asthma) that Franklin should conquer his illness and not be "mollycoddled". I remember that from the next-to-last episode, I believe. I think it was after he had been elected President that she said that.

Franklin told Eleanor that they were to "have no more to do with that damned woman".

Alice sure turned into an asshole. Her half-brother Teddy Jr. was pretty nasty too.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
30. That's what would probably make it tough for JFK to get elected today.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:07 AM
Sep 2014

Back in his time, he could rely on the press not to report his womanising. Today, if he wanted to be elected he would probably need to try to keep his hormones under control.

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