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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:55 PM Sep 2014

Justice Ginsburg: If I Resign, Obama Could Not Appoint ‘Anyone I Would Like To See In The Court’

Justice Ginsburg: If I Resign, Obama Could Not Appoint ‘Anyone I Would Like To See In The Court’


(Weisberg): I’m not sure how to ask this, but a lot of people who admire and respect you wonder if you’ll resign while President Obama is in office.

(Ginsburg): Who do you think President Obama could appoint at this very day, given the boundaries that we have? If I resign any time this year, he could not successfully appoint anyone I would like to see in the court. (The Senate ...) took off the filibuster for lower federal court appointments, but it remains for this court. So anybody who thinks that if I step down, Obama could appoint someone like me, they’re misguided. As long as I can do the job full steam…. I think I’ll recognize when the time comes that I can’t any longer. But now I can.



http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/23/3571216/justice-ginsburg-if-i-resign-obama-could-not-appoint-anyone-i-would-like-to-see-in-the-court/

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Justice Ginsburg: If I Resign, Obama Could Not Appoint ‘Anyone I Would Like To See In The Court’ (Original Post) kpete Sep 2014 OP
i hope she lives to be 100+ hifiguy Sep 2014 #1
Amen. And many more like her. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #11
Not likely, since she's already had two forms of cancer. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #14
AMEN secondwind Sep 2014 #26
She gets wiser every day. AngryAmish Sep 2014 #35
The ugly fact is the right no longer believes in democracy and will not allow the people randys1 Sep 2014 #2
And the only way they consider bipartisanship acceptable is if both sides do it THEIR way. calimary Sep 2014 #65
What a brave and tireless woman who is also realistic! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #3
She's right. The R's wouldn't confirm anyone who Laurian Sep 2014 #4
begs the question of--would they ever?? riversedge Sep 2014 #6
Begs the question of passiveporcupine Sep 2014 #19
THIS ^^^^^^^^ calimary Sep 2014 #34
even in february, which is when we vote in chicago. mopinko Sep 2014 #50
It is your right and your civic duty, your obligation as one of the "fees" you pay for citizenship. calimary Sep 2014 #64
Need almost 100% Turnout for Democrats in the Red States AndyTiedye Sep 2014 #37
We can do a lot with turnout. riqster Sep 2014 #52
You go gal. stay healthy for the sake of the USA riversedge Sep 2014 #5
I hope she stays healthy and we make some changes in congress. progressoid Sep 2014 #7
She was a hero in the 20th century and now spanning into the twenty first.... Rowdyboy Sep 2014 #8
She has become a national treasure. hifiguy Sep 2014 #10
Never give up! morningfog Sep 2014 #9
Bravo Justice Ginsburg. SoapBox Sep 2014 #12
Who does she think will be appointed if a Rethug wins in 2016? Thanks a lot, Justice Irreplaceable. pnwmom Sep 2014 #13
A minority republican senate sulphurdunn Sep 2014 #23
We might see a stiffening of the Democratic spine. Jim Lane Sep 2014 #46
If the Dems had a spine, why didn't they nix SCOTUS filibusters too already? NT Jerry442 Sep 2014 #61
Solid points sulphurdunn Sep 2014 #70
Who knows, maybe a liberal wins in 2016. thesquanderer Sep 2014 #28
Maybe so. But we'd have been better off if she had retired as soon as Obama was elected, pnwmom Sep 2014 #29
I don't know that it would have helped. Chan790 Sep 2014 #55
The three women have been voting as a block. So they're all on the same page. pnwmom Sep 2014 #60
LOL TransitJohn Sep 2014 #41
This is why I will never vote for ANY Republican for ANY office. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #15
Well, I guess all that time reaching across the isle was well spent. Phlem Sep 2014 #16
If Jed Bush or Christie end up winning in 2016 bigdarryl Sep 2014 #17
No guarantee Hillary will win? thesquanderer Sep 2014 #40
Yeah she might decide being a Grandmother is more important bigdarryl Sep 2014 #49
The Justice is correct, Obama will not be allowed to appoint anyone to the Court. CK_John Sep 2014 #18
I think she's wrong about the filibuster. The Senate changed the rules so they couldn't pnwmom Sep 2014 #20
No, she is correct. former9thward Sep 2014 #21
Thanks. Well, she's wrong if she thinks that the Repub majority Senate pnwmom Sep 2014 #22
I think she's just saying she's in it for the long game. Phlem Sep 2014 #24
Yes, she is. But at her age and with her health, that long game might be very short. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #58
yep I hear ya. Phlem Sep 2014 #79
I agree with you completely. Also, I think the rule should be changed. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #53
I love you, Ruth. nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #25
Look! 1953... littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #27
wow....creepy.....nt woolldog Sep 2014 #30
I know. I am a loon. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #32
... woolldog Sep 2014 #48
. dionysus Sep 2014 #45
thanks for the pic kpete Sep 2014 #51
Then lets make sure she gets to go out choosing her replacement.....lets take back Congress! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #31
I'm grateful for your Democracy loving heart, Justice Gingburg! Cha Sep 2014 #33
She is such a wise woman. Autumn Sep 2014 #36
She is so right. LoisB Sep 2014 #38
No shit. eom Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #39
She just doesn't want to retire, there will never be a successful SCOTUS filibuster tritsofme Sep 2014 #42
TPTB will not allow any shift in this virulently far right-wing majority court except to the right indepat Sep 2014 #43
Ginsburg is one tough and smart lady Tommy2Tone Sep 2014 #44
Love it. Phlem Sep 2014 #47
If Obama doesn't get to replace one of the conservative justice before his term ends... EEO Sep 2014 #54
Just love me some RBG. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #56
Renders the "But Think About the SCOTUS!" threat moot. OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #57
not really DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #69
Woo hoo! Status quo rocks! OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #71
and if tony gets a heart attack DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #75
When did the SCOTUS go from 9 Justices to 11? OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #76
Give President Obama a filibuster-proof Senate in November, MineralMan Sep 2014 #59
Everything has to go our Way to Even Hold a Majority in the Senate this Year AndyTiedye Sep 2014 #83
I want Hillary to appoint Obama (and Bill). EOM The Green Manalishi Sep 2014 #62
He could appoint anyone he wanted to KamaAina Sep 2014 #63
"Anyone I would like to see" betrays some ego here. It's not all about her. pnwmom Sep 2014 #66
A simple Senate majority can end the filibuster at any time. nt Zorra Sep 2014 #67
Unfortunately we are likely to lose that in November. Hopefully we won't but it's extremely close.nt pnwmom Sep 2014 #80
the only hope is fat Tony chokes on a meatball... Historic NY Sep 2014 #68
"Could" not, and probably "would" not...anyway. nt NorthCarolina Sep 2014 #72
All the speculation about what could and would happen if... is just speculation .. just get out and YOHABLO Sep 2014 #73
I have been saying this for awhile - TBF Sep 2014 #74
she's a smart cookie RedstDem Sep 2014 #77
Good health and a long life to you Justice Ginsberg! Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #78
I take it she's not a fan of Kagan or Sotomayor (nt) Recursion Sep 2014 #81
She is correct davidpdx Sep 2014 #82
Misleading headline: Makes it appear as if Ginsberg distrusts President Obama. baldguy Sep 2014 #84

randys1

(16,286 posts)
2. The ugly fact is the right no longer believes in democracy and will not allow the people
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:03 PM
Sep 2014

to have a voice, this is a proven fact when you look at who they wont allow us to appoint to the supremes and Sandy Hook

The republican party pretty much despises their own base

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
4. She's right. The R's wouldn't confirm anyone who
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:04 PM
Sep 2014

is acceptable to the left. More power to RBG, hang tough!

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
19. Begs the question of
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:38 PM
Sep 2014

Will enough dems get out and vote in 2014 to make a difference in congress? If we had more power in congress, maybe Obama could do something in his last two years.

That is what this issue is.

She is correct and she is an awesome woman. I too hope she lives long enough to see someone good replace her, and then live a long life in retirement.

Go Ginsberg!

calimary

(81,322 posts)
34. THIS ^^^^^^^^
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 07:34 PM
Sep 2014

WE have to get off our asses and vote in November. And EVERY November. And EVERY June. And EVERY Election Day - regardless what day of the week it is. This is an absolute MUST. We just simply, basically, and quite urgently have to.

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
50. even in february, which is when we vote in chicago.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:35 AM
Sep 2014

hmm. why would incumbents schedule elections for the harshest months of winter? in chicago? yeah, that's why.
if there is a runoff, it happens in march, which, since it is wet, is kinda worse than feb.

people need to get it through their heads that it is a DUTY!!

calimary

(81,322 posts)
64. It is your right and your civic duty, your obligation as one of the "fees" you pay for citizenship.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 02:53 PM
Sep 2014

It's part of your civic obligation as a loyal patriotic American. It's a right - at least as long as the GOP does NOT hold all the cards - either locally, regionally, OR nationally. If they ever do, many of us will no longer enjoy that right. And I say that as a white woman slowly moving into the older demos. I have two counts against me - advancing age and my gender. Oops - make that THREE. I always vote Dem. I wouldn't put it past them to be looking at a voter like me and trying to figure out how to keep ME from voting in the future. Hell, there ALREADY ARE people on their side of the aisle NOW (including GOP women, forcryingoutloud!!!!) who think women don't deserve, and shouldn't have, the right to vote.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
37. Need almost 100% Turnout for Democrats in the Red States
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 07:40 PM
Sep 2014

Even that might not be enough to get a supermajority in the Senate, which is what it takes.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
52. We can do a lot with turnout.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:12 AM
Sep 2014

Purple states are a lot more realistic, but we need turnout there, too.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
8. She was a hero in the 20th century and now spanning into the twenty first....
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:28 PM
Sep 2014

One of the few left I deeply admire

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
13. Who does she think will be appointed if a Rethug wins in 2016? Thanks a lot, Justice Irreplaceable.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:00 PM
Sep 2014
 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
23. A minority republican senate
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:58 PM
Sep 2014

would most likely kill any center or left of center nomination made by a democrat. A majority democratic senate would support any right of center candidate a republican president nominated. A democratic minority senate would not kill such a nomination.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
46. We might see a stiffening of the Democratic spine.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 09:03 PM
Sep 2014

If the Democrats retain their Senate majority and a Supreme Court vacancy occurs, it's quite possible that the Dems would eliminate the filibuster for Supreme Court seats. I'm not resigned to the prospect you cite, that the Republicans even in the minority would be able to kill an Obama nomination.

You go on to say, "A majority democratic senate would support any right of center candidate a republican president nominated." There I'm afraid you're probably right -- but I'm not giving up entirely. A key is that the calendar in 2016 (which Senate seats are up) greatly favors the Democrats. Consider this scenario: Republicans take the Senate in 2014 and relentlessly obstruct, including blocking Supreme Court nominations. In 2016, a Republican wins the White House but the Democrats take back the Senate. Would the Democrats just roll over and play dead? I see at least some possibility that they'd say, "Okay, President Huckabee, we're going to confirm your judicial nominations at the same pace as the Republican majority confirmed President Obama's." That might include using their majority to reject extreme RWNJ nominees.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
29. Maybe so. But we'd have been better off if she had retired as soon as Obama was elected,
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 07:09 PM
Sep 2014

when he was still able to get good people through the Senate.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
55. I don't know that it would have helped.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:52 AM
Sep 2014

Even when he could get his choice through (Sotomayor), he nominated a Justice more conservative than the one she replaced. In fact, both of Obama's nominees have been more conservative than the Justice they replaced.

We need the court to stop moving right...even if Obama could get his preferred-choice through (I suspect that would be Goodwin Liu), it would likely still represent a continued right-ward drift of the court. His preferences are more centrist than the current "liberal wing" of the court.

It's easy to blame Senate Republicans, but it's just as much on who this President would nominate. It's part of the reason I'm so staunchly against Hillary who would be more-likely to nominate a more conservative Justice than Ginsburg than even Obama.

(That would be my first and most-important question of Sec. Clinton. "Who would you nominate to your 1st SCOTUS vacancy? A name, not a vague response.&quot

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
60. The three women have been voting as a block. So they're all on the same page.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 11:25 AM
Sep 2014

Earlier in his Presidency Obama could have nominated another good Justice and gotten him or her approved.

It comes down to whether we are better off with Ginsberg, on the theory that we might have a somewhat more progressive Justice for a few more years (or less, if we're unlucky); or with a Justice who could have added a liberal weight to the balance for decades more. It's too late now but I think she made the wrong choice. The country will not be served well if she has to be replaced by someone confirmable by a Repub majority Senate, or nominated by a Repub President.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
15. This is why I will never vote for ANY Republican for ANY office.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:02 PM
Sep 2014

All they have done is block and obstruct.
Filibuster, blue slips, and more.

I'm sick of the Republicans that are in office now.
They have no shame, whatsoever.

The status quo to keep Washington in gridlock is fueled by millions of dollars from corporations and the Koch bros.
Even our 3rd branch of government is being held hostage by the minority party.





 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
17. If Jed Bush or Christie end up winning in 2016
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:29 PM
Sep 2014

She might be replaced by another right wing nut job making the court.6 to 3 for the next 40 years.Theres no guarantee Hillary will win in 2016

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
40. No guarantee Hillary will win?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:06 PM
Sep 2014

Heck, right now, there's not even any guarantee that Hillary will run.

I'm still hoping for a more liberal candidate on the Dem ticket, but I know that's unlikely.

But a lot can happen over the next 2+ years... whether good or bad...

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
20. I think she's wrong about the filibuster. The Senate changed the rules so they couldn't
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:41 PM
Sep 2014

be used on judicial appointments.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
21. No, she is correct.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:48 PM
Sep 2014

The filibuster rule was changed for court appointments at district level and the appellate level. Supreme Court was specifically exempted.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
22. Thanks. Well, she's wrong if she thinks that the Repub majority Senate
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:53 PM
Sep 2014

we'll be likely to get in January will be any better, and she's wrong if she thinks she's going to be alive and productive forever. She's already had two bouts with cancer and she's 81.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
79. yep I hear ya.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:13 PM
Sep 2014

Except I can't help that she's someone so committed she's going to die trying to make things right. There's a soft spot in my heart for people like that.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
53. I agree with you completely. Also, I think the rule should be changed.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:17 AM
Sep 2014

Democrats don't use it to the effect that the Repubs do, otherwise we wouldn't have Thomas and Scalia on the bench. When I objected to the nominee of one of the Repubs, my Democratic Senator wrote back and said she thought the President (Bushy) should have his appointment

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
42. She just doesn't want to retire, there will never be a successful SCOTUS filibuster
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:15 PM
Sep 2014

It is not a serious concern.

After Reid pushed the nuclear button last year, there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. No future Senate majority leader would sit back and allow his president's nominee to be defeated by a minority.

If Ginsberg were serious about retiring, Obama and Reid could make those assurances.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
43. TPTB will not allow any shift in this virulently far right-wing majority court except to the right
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:46 PM
Sep 2014

Tommy2Tone

(1,307 posts)
44. Ginsburg is one tough and smart lady
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:47 PM
Sep 2014

She is correct. The GOP/Tea Party would Fuzzbuster every progressive candidate Obama would try and get through. In the end, the president as he usually does, would back down and put a centrist in.

Like I said tough and smart.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
54. If Obama doesn't get to replace one of the conservative justice before his term ends...
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:45 AM
Sep 2014

and a Republican wins and replaces Ginsburg or another liberal justice (two of which Obama WAS able to appoint to the court) it is game over for a generation. It will be an unmitigated disaster.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
69. not really
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 04:53 PM
Sep 2014

a President Jeb will have four long years to throw up a bunch of wackos, many of whom will probably make Tony S. look like Thurgood Marshall in comparison.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
75. and if tony gets a heart attack
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:53 PM
Sep 2014

we can see decent 6-5 decisions, unless, of course, you have another way to appoint people to the scotus, while the GOP is in power.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
59. Give President Obama a filibuster-proof Senate in November,
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 11:21 AM
Sep 2014

and then she can retire.

GOTV 2014 and Beyond!

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
83. Everything has to go our Way to Even Hold a Majority in the Senate this Year
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 04:13 PM
Sep 2014

No amount of GOTV can get us 60 seats in this election. There aren't enough Democratic voters in those states.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
66. "Anyone I would like to see" betrays some ego here. It's not all about her.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:03 PM
Sep 2014

Sotomayor and Kagan reliably vote with her, and there are other good potential nominees out there. It's too bad Ginsburg didn't retire in Obama's early years, when he was able to get good nominations past the Senate.

But in January, the Rethugs may control the Senate and we'll be even in a worse situation.

Ginsburg better stay on the court another dozen years if she wants to be replaced by someone SHE would find acceptable. Considering her age and two bouts with cancer, that's unlikely.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
80. Unfortunately we are likely to lose that in November. Hopefully we won't but it's extremely close.nt
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:14 PM
Sep 2014
 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
73. All the speculation about what could and would happen if... is just speculation .. just get out and
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:17 PM
Sep 2014

V O T E !!

TBF

(32,067 posts)
74. I have been saying this for awhile -
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:23 PM
Sep 2014

the only folks wanting her to step down are the g-d'ed repugs (and they happen to have some stooges on this board).

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
82. She is correct
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 04:30 AM
Sep 2014

If something, god forbid, should happen before we are able to put another D in the White House, we are screwed. I'd even venture to guess in that sort of a situation that the Republicans would rather there be no replacement if possible so they can use their majority to railroad everything bad they could think of through the court.

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