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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWell, is everyone afraid of the subway threat, yet?
Bomb, bomb, bomb,
bomb, bomb, Iran.
A response of mine from below
I think New Yorkers might have reason to fear
But when you want to wage war, it's good to instill some fear.
How in the heck do ordinary citizens know which threats are real threats and which aren't? I sure don't trust the powers that be in charge of our intelligence, and that's what the president has to rely on.
Stay safe.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I must have missed this today.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)terra terra terra
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Ok, now I'm scared.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)both are famous without ever having done anything
oooga boooga smoooga woooga
Boogieman du jour
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/09/25/the-strange-story-behind-the-khorasan-groups-name/
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)No smoked gouda?
I'm outta here.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)only with FEAR!!!!
or
You could Lindsay Graham to do it for you.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)government to pay attention. All threats should be taken seriously.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)But since you're in Texas you have nothing to worry about.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)But when you want to wage war, it's good to instill some fear.
How in the heck do ordinary citizens know which threats are real threats and which aren't? I sure don't trust the powers that be in charge of our intelligence, and that's what the president has to rely on.
Stay safe.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts).
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)and how they'll do anything to get us into a war, you think this kind of question is snark?
This is not to make light of any thing that could happen or has happened, but many here seem darn sure that the military industrial complex and other assorted corporatists will do anything to get us into war. Questioning threats is a natural result of that belief.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I might agree with you they are running to the bank over the last 13 years.
BUT,
It wasn't the MIC that beheaded James Foley
It's not becuause of the MIC why EVERY New Yorker looked up for 5 years after a plane flew over
And I'm sorry to say it wasn't the MIC at the podium of the UN yesterday.
And while your criticism is valid, don't be surprised if your words touch a raw nerve that every New Yorker cotinues to live with every time we swipe our metro card.
Yes, are we getting on the train. Yes, are we doing it while reading our phones. Yes, do we just wish it was Friday. But it's there.
That's all.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Sincerely.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Thanks for hearing me.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Couldn't help but get a bit of "Texan" in there.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)We say it "bacatcha."
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I will say I ride the Los Angles Metro (subway) every day. In fact I am leaving my home in Woodland Hills (suburban Los Angeles) to meet my girlfriend in downtown Los Angles in a half hour or so. The trip takes approximately one and one half hours. Approximately one hour is spent on a dedicated bus line and the the other half hour is spent on the subway.
There are a few exceptions but most of those poo pooing the threat don't rely on the subway to meet their transportation needs.
BTW, I used to ride the NY subway all the time as a kid. It was scary in the 70s.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)And no offense (pile on) taken if that was directed at me.
Their is a way to get the point across. And truth be told, this threat probably is bullshit, which frankly does more to trust in the President than my fear of boarding a train.
However, after Madrid and London and I think Tokyo if memory serves, not to mention 9/11, everyone one the millions of New Yorkers that take the train feel the, albeit, slight presence.
Yeah, can't imagine what the 70's were like, but my wife and inlaws tell me about the 80's.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)But subways seem like a juicy target and they have been hit before.
The L A Sheriff dept has a huge presence on the subway. And those deputies are jacked.
However the transit police seems to be more concerned that your tap card is valid.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)Fla_Democrat
(2,547 posts)I'm more of a pizza guy, myself.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)That being said I ride the L A Metro at least five times a week. If you don't think that's a target rich environment there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)But it is reasonable to pay attention. We know what happened when Bush blew off the August 2001 intelligence briefing. No need to panic but it would be stupid to ignore it.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)the media for doing their dirty work for them.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:21 PM - Edit history (1)
I take these things in seriously but i still rode the subway today.
I had to show my bag to the police today.
NYers are used to it but it is scary.
KG
(28,752 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I do have a question.
When's the last time you rode the subway?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Some folks have to ride the subway every day.
ISIS lacks the capability but to poo poo the idea of terrorists targeting the subway strikes me as myopic at best and callous at worst.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)But I can see where people in London and Madrid might be taking it seriously.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Signed,
A New Yorker.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I go there quite often, but I won't be scared to ride the subways.
malaise
(269,157 posts)I think he thought he'd get some attention for this one. Maybe he's learning from the neo-cons that crying wolf works.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)And quite a few others. What do those dates have in common?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_involving_railway_systems
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)What would be gained by bombing subways. Everyone would then convert to Islam?
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)And you don't like it when they give you information. Because everything they say must be a lie, right?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)"A wide range of U.S. intelligence sources told NBC News that there is no evidence of any current threat against the subways, after Iraqs prime minister told reporters that ISIS is plotting an imminent attack.
In a meeting with journalists at the United Nations, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said he had just learned of the plot by foreign fighters of the Islamic State group in Iraq to attack subway systems in the U.S. and Paris. He said it had not been thwarted and that the United States had been alerted....
snip..
Virtually every major U.S. law enforcement agency and intelligence agency said they had no evidence of any such plot. The report is viewed as "total bunk," according to a senior intelligence official.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)brooklynite
(94,703 posts)This harping on a warning by the Iraqi Prime Minister as an excuse to scare us into miltary action is stupid, given that the US has ALREADY SAID THEY HAVE NO SUCH INTELLIGENCE.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)They don't need intelligence for this to run for hours on cable news, but I'll bet support for the war just went up ten points.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)The new normal is: There's always National Guard troops in Penn Station and Grand Central. Occasionally there's heavily armed robo-cops in front of the Chrysler Building. On every subway ride they run a recorded announcement: "if you see something say something."
And to accompany the traditional late September traffic jams due to the U.N. opening, the NYPD anti-terrorism elves put big concrete blocks in front of the Hyatt Grand Central. Kinda impedes the heavy pedestrian traffic but it is what it is.
My point is, NYC is on every terrorist's short list regardless of what this guy says. Nevertheless, I feel I'm much more likely to be hit by a reckless cyclist than blown up by a terrorist.
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)...based on absolutely no evidence of behavior by the Obama Administration.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Bloomberg ginned-up a subway bomb scare two weeks before the 2005 election against Fernando Ferrer and went from a +5 lead to a twenty point win.
Seriously... you can't get any lower than New York politicians.
Nobel_Twaddle_III
(323 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)Why that threat when it was expressed - was the first Fed Gov heard of it. If what I'm hearing is correct - then the Iraq Leadership did not even share that with President Obama first.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)That Lindsay Graham video on board. "Oh the humanity" Terra! Terra! Terra!
Chisox08
(1,898 posts)I was going to take the Red Line to the Sox game this weekend. Now I gave to be afraid very afraid.
ISIS is the new boogie man after Obama had the last one killed. Once ISIS is taken out there will be a new boogie man to replace them.
herding cats
(19,566 posts)The Iraqi PM claims something is verifiable which they've been told by a prisoner and even our own intelligence people say they've not heard peep about? It sounds very much to me like he's trying to escalate our involvement by using fear on US citizens.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but so be it. It's what I thought when I first read the story today and I'm going with my gut. Think about it, when is the last time the US has real intelligence on a terror plot and some warmonger didn't get it leaked to them and come out screaming how the Democrats are soft on terror and we were all going to die because of them? Heck, they'd even do that if it were a bogus rumor going around. I just find this to be too suspect to believe it's genuine.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Congrats... I guess.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)I wanted to say that I joined over one of the last Texas bashing threads to post a photo of Ann Richards - wearing a hat, of course. I've lurked for years and years, but have refrained from joining because I know this is addicting.
Anyway, I joined, but couldn't figure out how to post a photo, though.
Hence, my name.
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Rex
(65,616 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Not afraid.
Then again I don't have a TV.