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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSen Bernie is NOT going to run as Dem, he's burning that bridge in his
interview statements.
"Longterm Democratic strategy is pathetic " with salon.com or maybe his anti everybody talking points just slipped out.
I doubt he'll run at all.
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)I'll bet there are a lot of Democrats who feel the same.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)112 Recs and counting
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)He's right about that.
Many people are yearning for a party that cares about the 99%. the Democratic Party, no longer fits that bill.
Maybe Senator Sanders knows a thing or two.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)I posted on that thread:
Will the Left or Right read this:
Koch brothers... do a very effective job of taking the discontent... and channeling it in exactly the wrong direction.
If media is any guide, 2014 voters will disenfranchise themselves by apathy or a refusal to decide.
'If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.'
Which means the Koch brothers win.
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014833821#post10
Freewill by Rush:
There are those who think
That life has nothing left to chance
A host of holy horrors
To direct our aimless dance
A planet of playthings
We dance on the strings of powers we cannot perceive
The stars aren't aligned or the gods are malign
Blame is better to give than receive
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill
There are those who think
That they were dealt a losing hand
The cards were stacked against them
They weren't born in Lotus Land
All preordained, a prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate
Kicked in the face, you can pray for a place
In heaven's unearthly estate
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill
Each of us, a cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete
Genetic blends with uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt that's far too fleet
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill
Just about every defeatist meme is covered in that song.
I contend if Bernie doesn't run in 2016, it will be because of the lack of concern about his issues on the part of voters this year, not 2016. I posted a video of him almost begging people to vote this year.
The crowd didn't want to talk about that, they were hyped up about other things. He said that the people who will be hurt the most are least likely to vote.
There's little time to dally on what we are facing now. He knows this. He also knows the fickleness of many who say they adore him and support what he says, but are too good to show up and vote for the party he caucuses with. He could have gotten more done with more Democrats there.
It's not a popularity contest, or who can woo voters. Trillions of dollars and millions of lives are at stake in this election. Those who can afford to sit out now will find reasons to do the same in 2016, or on any local elections that shape their own lives. Bernie isn't running for state houses, governor, mayor, school boards, election positions or the HoR. That's what composes the fabric of our lives from the ground up.
As far as Sanders is concerned, I truly want him to run as a Democrat and get on that debate stage in the primaries. Tell the American poeple what is going on. But I sensed he is about done from that video.
He has tried, as many others have, to lead the horse to waters, but they won't drink. After a while, he and many others like him are just going to go home and leave the rest of us to what we deserve for not voting. He left the meeting in the video after he couldn't get anyone to care about the election by saying his wife was waiting for him and he had to go.
Why should he bother to go through all fifty states, if we won't vote?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)still_one
(92,351 posts)NOT exclude him from running as a Democrat. There have been many instances of Democrats running for political office that have been critical of party direction
emulatorloo
(44,166 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)Iggo
(47,563 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)william cail
(32 posts)Why would Bernie Sanders help the Republicans in 2016? If he does run that would mean a guaranteed win for them. The out of touch liberals will vote for him, splitting the vote. Then the people who are depended on the safety net will be the losers. No more Medicare Medicaid, SS will be gone, child labor laws gone, ect.
The rich out of touch DU'ers will prove that they don't care about the poor by voting for Bernie Sanders. Remember third party candidates always act as a spoiler. They don't win.
It will be 2000 all over again.
I do hope Hillary will do everything on her power to discredit Bernie. This country can't afford a Republican president.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)better to lose with integrity then to just vote for the lesser of 2 evils again.....
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Look, I'm last in line for a Clinton ticket, but c'mon, we don't need to throw ageist bullshit on the pile.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)From CBS
"Will new grandma Hillary Clinton run for president in 2016?"
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/will-new-grandma-hillary-clinton-run-for-president-in-2016/
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)We do as humans, like to rationalize our little digs at others as somehow relevant...
bornskeptic
(1,330 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I believe this is the first instance on DU that she has been called Grandma!
And rightfully so!!!
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)So, is "integrity" going to help you with a Republican president rubber-stamping Teabagger legislation?
These are not 50's Eisenhower-style Republicans you're talking about. These are people who say things out loud such as women who have abortions should be hanged, along with the doctors who assist.
but at least you'll feel good about your integrity when people like this are crafting legislation for their fellow GOPer in the WH to sign into law?
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)If you even think about voting for Bernie Sanders, your children will work themselves to death in the mines!
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Indeed, we should just shut up and cheer as the party adapts Republican policies. Yay Republodems!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:49 PM - Edit history (1)
My Magic 8-Ball has a better record.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)...your..."OPINION"...SUCKS.
And I guarantee, NO ONE is afraid of your opinions.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)You elitist bastard!!!
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)bones and toad's blood.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)if runs I'll vote for him, democrat or not
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I seriously doubt he would win the presidency
CK_John
(10,005 posts)gladly pony up 50 mil or so to get a 3 party on the ballot.
The receiver of this funding would never know who, where, or when.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)What one needs to run for president. He probably will not get much from corporations since they try to straddle possible winners and don't see him as a possible. A third party will throw the election and in that case it will prove he is more for the GOP than DNC. I am not saying he wont, he may be more interested in causing havoc than trying to do good.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)madville
(7,412 posts)No way an Independent wins this next cycle. If he ran as a Democrat there's no way he gets through the primary, too old and too honest. Run as an Independent in the national election and wick 3-5% from the Democratic nominee, big help to the other side.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)He speaks truth.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)How dare we criticize the party! Infidel! heretic! Burn him, BUUUURRRRRRRN!!!
ifthe party can't take criticism or self-examine, it's just a branch of the republicans. and that is, indeed, fucking pathetic.
onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)If Bernie gets the Dem nod and Repubs pick some teaparty nutjob. What in the world would the oligarchs do?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Nothing wrong with that.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)he's just another Angry Old Man, like John McCain, who's pissed that his time came & went. Why not take it out on Democrats?
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)If Sanders is angry it is because democracy, broad prosperity, equality under the law, and basic liberties are passing America by.
Sanders is not the problem in this country and I say you know better but are on a campaign to attack the left often and with any cudgel you can lay hands on no matter how ill fitting it may be.
Fucking Rush Limbaugh emulating "Democrats" who all day every day snipe at the left, snarl at liberals, and looking for commies under every rock. What dishonest gremlins we have in our works. Just a bunch of temporarily embarrassed Republicans looking for a less shameful right wing, what happened did the Teabaggers push them out or are they first waive interlopers from the Koch whores to assimilate the Democratic party?
Either way they are more dangerous than cancer, I sez.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)wyldwolf
(43,869 posts).... he'll never get their support now. (I'm referring to congressional and senate Dems, the DCCC, DSCC, DNC, etc.)
baldguy
(36,649 posts)If he saps support from the Dem nom and allows the Republican to win, he'll be just as bad as Nader. Fuck 'em.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)He has my vote. I don't see anyone that is potentially running that doesn't have the same old soundbytes. Been through that and it's not been pretty.
Time to try a different approach.
rurallib
(62,433 posts)just by exploring he is going to force issues into the public discourse that have been sequestered by the two parties and the media. We need a discussion on income inequality and the climate and our insistence that every problem in the world is a military problem.
Sanders has said over and over that he will not run as a third party he will not be the one that splits the left. Are you scared of political discourse?
madokie
(51,076 posts)We'll know shortly after the filing period closes and possibly not a moment sooner.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)We don't have a particularly good longterm strategy.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)He can burn them all he wants, I'm still standing with Bernie.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)He wouldn't have gotten the party hierarchies support no matter what he did.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Nader showed what happened to a politician who tried that divisive BS.