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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums‘Black Bachelorette’ Dr. Misee Harris Forced To Resign Dent. Practice For M. Brown Support
By Tiffany Willis on September 15, 2014
Dr. Misee Harris a pediatric dentist best known as the Black Bachelorette was harassed and forced to resign from her dental practice after showing outspoken support for slain teen Michael Brown and the Ferguson, Missouri protesters.
Prior to her voicing her concern on her private Facebook account about what was going on in Ferguson, Dr. Harris was beloved and respected by staff and patients at the dental practice where she had been offered a partnership.
From Black Girl Nerds:
A shocked Dr. Harris composed herself before asking the doctor who was leading the meeting if she had any idea what was going on in black America. She was astonished to learn that the woman didnt even know Michael Browns name. The offending doctor also seemed to think it was totally OK to attack Dr. Harris based on her personal views. Dr. Harris was then informed that she would have to choose between her style of social media communication and her position as a pediatric dentist in that practice.
The choice was easy for Dr. Harris, as it would be for any principled person.
She nailed it with this statement:
It is as though the partners at my former dental practice believe that a black person who has made it to success in a white-dominated field like dentistry is expected to show gratitude and humility, and to act white.
This is the image that offended the other dentists and staff in the practice.
http://www.liberalamerica.org/2014/09/15/misee-harris-forced-to-resign-ferguson/
enough
(13,262 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)enough
(13,262 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Get thee to the greatest page - expose institutional racism
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)People should dial their phone all day and complain. It's in the phonebook.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)of her ex-colleagues. Not surprised at all. Typical of institutionalized racism in amerikkka. And the power to enforce that racism? Forcing her to resign(firing) her. I applaud her decision made on the most solid rock of principle. Yay Dr. Harris! BRAVO.
tblue37
(65,488 posts)"Do you think we're all like this?" kinda answered their own question, didn't they?
rurallib
(62,448 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)They don't deserve her. I hope her clients ditch them.
What a bunch of dishonest, scheming, phony, petty, White-in-the-Worst-Way, backstabbing, ignorant, racist scumbags!
May she go from here to a much better position!
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BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #41)
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Oktober
(1,488 posts)There is no other interpretation...
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Oktober
(1,488 posts)Double points if you can put any other group in there and define that as well.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)You asked me once (snarkily). I answered (briskly). Now you're raising the snark levels.
You're not behaving like a person interested in good faith discussion.
And I don't like getting attitude, particularly from some one brand new here. Your tone sounds exceedingly snarky, contemptuous, self-serving-- and I haven't said anything that warrants that.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)thanks to the rise and acceptance of groups like the " Tea Party" in the U.S.A. They and their sympathizers are allowed to act racist but nobody is supposed to call them that because it's highly offensive to them.
I'm sorry but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It's not just groups like the teaparty. That sentiment is found right here on this liberal site.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I saw somebody call Sharpton a race biter here recently and blamed him. For Ferguson. Not a troll either. At least it got hidden, but it was a total Hannity meltdown.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Unfortunately, that's an area of the country where folks need to read the doctor's thoughts, but they are too ignorant to get it, or their hatred blinds them.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)Classy...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)there are still lots of racists living here. But, there are also those who can't accept the truth.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)Even on this forum...
Maybe even in this very thread!
Bigotry is bigotry...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Oktober
(1,488 posts)That includes out of the country as well...
Anansi1171
(793 posts)Discussionist is missing you, by the way.
And don't worry, everything will be all white!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)want her license revoked for standing up for another unarmed Black teen murdered in the street.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)amb123
(1,581 posts)Breathing!
Existing!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)professional field dominated by whites.
Like dentistry, medicine etc.
Look at all the tea bag politicians...Dr. Ben Carson, for example, shows the proper amount of gratitude and humility and acts more like white folks prefer "they" act.
Racism is not gone away, it has gone underground, where it festers.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)By the way, the white supremacists on the Discussionist, where I cross posted this story, think that the white people that she had worked with were all in the right.
No surprise at all.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Because she is a professional, she should self-censor?
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Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)What you meant is to ask. Right?
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)a little visit.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Did they not get the memo that it's no longer cool to out their bigotry in public, that today's racism is Behind the Curtain?
Cretins.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)not be going to her former place of employment. And for reference - I am white. I support the protest against the police for shooting Michael Brown.
Baitball Blogger
(46,758 posts)The higher up a minority member makes it into white fields, the more they're expected to shed any evidence of their culture and roots. The status quo must be protected.
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Baitball Blogger
(46,758 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I'll give you a few more minutes....
gordianot
(15,245 posts)Part of me wants to say something but words just are not enough. Every day it seems to get worse. I would hope this dental clinic has to go out of business.
littlemissmartypants
(22,805 posts)No Justice. No Peace.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)will miss her care, but I know she'll still be creating the same kind of value wherever she goes.
marble falls
(57,208 posts)are all like this?
Sounds like a question that someone with a guilty conscience might ask.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)please love me, please be grateful, please pump me up and tell me i am wonderful please don't see me for exactly who i am.
Lucky Luciano
(11,258 posts)...and ABC should let her be the lead bachelorette! Very attractive, smart, got her shit together, principled - total package.
0% chance I would watch the show, but still - others who are into that sort if show would watch.
calimary
(81,467 posts)Brilliant, accomplished, exemplary character, fabulous resume, AND she happens to be physically gorgeous too!
RandySF
(59,225 posts)Brilliant, opinionated and beautiful. My heart is skipping!
VA_Jill
(9,995 posts)I'm sure there are a lot of practices in the Nashville and Knoxville areas that would LOVE to have her!
Hestia
(3,818 posts)It sounds like she didn't even need to stay at the practice - doing for the love of the children?
http://www.miseeharris.com/dr-misee-harris-advances-in-casting-for-shark-tank/
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locdlib
(176 posts)Just a little note to say thank you for how you dealt with Dr. Misee Harris. She certainly proved to everyone what type of person she is.
Although Dr. Harris provided excellent dental care to the patients that she was charged with caring for, having views on racial relations in this country that may conflict with others in the practice is what really matters. Especially if those views are not flush with her colleagues. It should not even matter that Dr. Harris had performed in such a manner that she was going to be made a partner. What is of the utmost importance is that she voiced her opinions on her PRIVATE Facebook page about what is happening in Ferguson, Missouri. Ferguson, Missouri is the place where Michael Brown, a young male whose skin color would suggest that he was of African ancestry, was murdered by police officer Darren Wilson. Michael and his friend were accused by Wilson of "jaywalking." Certainly, this is an offense that requires extreme police brutality. The aftermath of Darren Wilson's murder of Michael Brown has resulted in absolutely disastrous events in Ferguson. Protestors were subjected to military-type scare tactics to "keep them in line." Now, I know that when certain people do certain things, it is felt by some that extreme force must be instituted. It doesn't matter that those certain people were within their legal rights. The bottom line was that "they" needed to be shown "their place." And if they get out of "their place," the result could be murder.
Yes, Dr. Harris certainly proved herself to be a professional whose work was exemplary enough for her to be considered being made a partner. She also proved herself to be someone who speaks out against social injustice. My guess is that she would stand up for the rights of others, no matter their skin color.
"Dr. Hutton enjoys hiking, skiing, and serving as a volunteer Boy Scout Leader with Troop 154. He also serves on the Board of Directors for Zion Christian Academy. Dr. Hutton is married and has two sons."
"Dr. Sims enjoys running, scuba diving, water and snow skiing. He is also involved with choral music at church."
Dr. Hutton and Dr. Harris sound like upstanding citizens of their community. Church-goers usually do sound like good people. They, like Dr. Harris, proved to everyone what type of people they really are.
I can certainly say that when people tell me who they really are, I always believe them. I will definitely keep in mind who Dr. Harris is, and who the other members of Children's Dental Columbia really are when my children need dental care. I will also be passing that information along to my many friends, family members, and colleagues.
Again, many thanks to you.
This is their email addy: CDA@ChildrensDentalColumbia.com
Oktober
(1,488 posts)That's a good one...
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Just wondering.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)but I think we both know the answer to that
freshwest
(53,661 posts)WARNING, PROFANITY:
Who Is the Wrongest Person in John Crawford's Walmart Shooting?
If you watch the video surveillance footage of black man John Crawford walking the aisles at the Beavercreek, Ohio, Walmart, you see a black man, looking black, engaged in the black act of shopping while black. This black man's greatest sin is that he mindlessly picked up a BB gun while black and continued to shop while black at Walmart...
That is a badass looking BB gun. Made in the US of A, like all good guns should be, except for all those cool ones we get from China. Yep, a black man would look awfully scary waving that around and pointing it at children, as 911 caller Ronald Ritchie said Crawford was doing.
Except here's the problem. The video footage of his entire time holding the rifle, from the moment he picked it up to the moment he dropped it after being shot by the cops, he doesn't aim it at anyone. And when the cops enter, not only is no one anywhere near Crawford, but when he is shot, it is from all the way down the aisle. Seriously, not a goddamn person is around him:
...No, the Rude Pundit is gonna go with Ronald Ritchie here as the most utterly wrong motherfucker in this whole situation. A George Zimmerman without the same level of commitment, when he called 911, Ritchie lied to the dispatcher about what he saw, as he later revealed in an interview with the Guardian. "At no point did he shoulder the rifle and point it at somebody," Ritchie said a month after the incident, which is the opposite of what he said on the 911 call. He told the dispatcher that he thought he saw Crawford loading the gun with bullets, which, as we know, would have more than likely involved pouring tiny metal balls into the magazine. The dispatcher relayed that information to the cops, that a 6-foot tall black man was waving around a gun and pointing it at people at Walmart. Ritchie even lied about the shooting, saying that Crawford swung around and pointed the gun at the police. No, he did not. Ritchie knew he was lying...
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/09/who-is-wrongest-person-in-john.html
Article referenced by RP has a video of the scene at the time with Ritchie lying to the police dispatcher, fortunately, not the shooting itself. It is Walmart's surveillance footage synced with Ronald Ritchies 911 call to Ohio dispatchers from the time stamp changing on the video.
'It was a crank call': family seeks action against 911 caller in Walmart shooting
Family of John Crawford, man shot dead by police while holding an unloaded BB rifle, say call was a bunch of lies
The family of a young black man who was killed by police in an Ohio Walmart while holding an unloaded BB rifle and speaking on his cellphone have called for action to be taken against a 911 caller who claimed he was pointing the gun at people.
John Crawford III was shot dead last month by an officer responding to an emergency call made by Ronald Ritchie, a shopper standing 100ft away, who repeatedly stated to the dispatcher that Crawford was pointing the air rifle at customers...
The children who Ritchie appeared to claim were under threat from Crawford were in the store with their mother, Angela Williams. Williams, 37, died of a heart attack in the panic that ensued among customers following the police shooting. I hope that hes happy with himself, her teenage son said of Ritchie in a Facebook post earlier this month.
Ritchie also told several reporters after the shooting that he was an ex-marine. The Guardian disclosed last month that he was thrown out after seven weeks in 2008, after being declared a fraudulent enlistment. He states that the problem was a mix-up in his paperwork....
More infuriating details at:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/26/walmart-ohio-shooting-charges-911-calller-john-crawford
And Ronald Ritchie is not in jail for what reason, since he's admitted he was lying? Could it be a case of uh, racism?
Hey, just an anonymous online poster here, not an attorney.
What was done to this dentist is an example of professional in-your-face racism. I don't care what the mealy mouths are going to say to excuse it. That cartoon is very mild, and the way they treated her, her career and the advocacy work she was doing was shameful. I hope she sues the pants off the little lynch mob there. There is more than one way to lynch a person of any standing, using the tried and true method of character assassination.
And John Crawford III is still dead at this time, and she did not go that far. Americans, white Americans, that is, must stop acting like this does not happen anymore.
That's just my opinion, though.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)if an attorney can show that his falsified report in the 911 call was the proximate cause of her death from the heart attack during the panic at that Walmart.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)BKH70041
(961 posts)I'm seeing more and more of this now, and many of my clients tell me this is a part of their hiring process, that is besides the standard background check they've been doing for years, to also see if the potential and current employee is participating in social media and are they doing anything that might negatively reflect on the company. The higher the position for which you are applying/currently hold, the more stringent they are about what they'll accept.
Political stances are probably the top one that will raise a red flag, from what I gather. Employers do not want to hire/maintain someone who might do or say things that would negatively affect their business. An individual has the right to do/say whatever they want that's lawful and an employer has the right to maintain their image. At times those two are going to clash.
I suppose the best advice is not to put anything out on social media that could potentially be a turn off to a sizable percentage of the population if you're looking to gain/maintain employment. Stick with family pics, pets, travel stories, and recipes.
This post is not to debate or discuss the rightness or wrongness of this issue either way. But I have found it surprising how many people are not aware that companies are looking at their social media activities when determining hires and whether deciding to keep/rehire a current employee.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)my friend shut down her facebook page because she is looking for a job. another friend told me her brother lost a lawsuit because of some pictures he posted on facebook. it's smart to be careful. having said that, i don't think these folks will have a leg to stand on. they fired her for expressing an opinion that is not at all controversial, except to racists.
BKH70041
(961 posts)What is and isn't controversial is up to the individual viewing what you said/did. In order to keep all potential customers happy, avoid controversy. Avoid even the appearance. Other people might label your actions either correctly or falsely, but don't give them the opportunity to do either, just avoid controversy. Very simple if one focuses.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)but i don't think this had anything to do with customers.
BKH70041
(961 posts)Some may side with law enforcement, some with Brown. Both sides have money to spend. I don't care what their politics are, I just want their money. Avoid the topic.
That's how businesses think.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)she got her widdle feelings hurt because she thought the black woman didn't wuve her. been there, done that. some white people expect you to constant stoke their precious widdle egos and constantly reinforce their belief that they are not like those other, awful racist white folks. read the story...that is what happened. it is a very annoying thing we folks of color are often expected to do.
locdlib
(176 posts)over everything. this whole bs incident brings to mind "mammy" back in slavery. mammy was constantly having to stroke "miss ann's" ego, telling her that she was the most beautiful, smartest creation that done ever walked earth, while in fact miss ann was the very definition of all that is horrid. newsflash: mammy is gone. she's not coming back.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)What a wonderful world, no?
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)No doubt she was being harassed over her political views....but given that this is Tenn., I can't say I'm terribly surprised.
The good news is, though, is that it seems that a whole bunch of other offices in the area have been offering her a position, so I hope that works out for her. Good luck, Dr. Harris!
weissmam
(905 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Holy crap. She isn't allowed to have an opinion that offends her colleagues' sensitive white ears. Wow.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I smell a lawsuit! If any of her prior co-workers didn't have their heads up their asses, they would know the cartoon is VERY accurate in modern society.
She will be better off working somewhere else, sounds like she had some real asshole co-workers.
JI7
(89,264 posts)PCIntern
(25,584 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:53 PM - Edit history (1)
that this was the most unsurprising article which I have read in a while.
Some of my best friends and "fellow travelers" (yes I know what that really "means" from the Civil Rights and anti-Vietnam War days from college and dental school have become RABID RWers.
GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)I would definitely seek out her offices.
It sounds like she is exceedingly intelligent, highly principled, extraordinarily professional, and charming.
Rare combination for a dentist - although one does occasionally come across dentists with one or two - even three - of these traits. The words "charming" and "dentist" are rarely found in the same sentence.
1dogleft
(164 posts)but something tells me there is more to this story
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)what more do you think there is, according to your common sense? eagerly awaiting your pearls of wisdom.
1dogleft
(164 posts)and then comes the silence....
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)nothing.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Some around here assume that whenever either category of human claims something, the claim is false until a white man confirms it.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)and yes, I do think the white people in that office are "just like that!" Racist thru and thru. I'm white BTW. Don't know if that office qualifies for a workplace complaint, but I hope she talks to an attorney about sueing them for wrongful discharge.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)wearing those idiotic "i am darren wilson" bracelets? are you NOW?
whathehell
(29,090 posts)and even THEN I would have disagreed with the firing, but in the privacy of her
own home, on her facebook page?..That's nuts, and, in my opinion, a definite
case of unlawful termination -- I hope she's seeing a lawyer.
By the way, I don't think she was "acting Black" or "acting White", she was
acting FAIR, i.e., like someone with a brain and a conscience
yesiwasacop
(93 posts)Check out these links:
http://community.babycenter.com/post/a38039386/woman_loses_job_over_fb_pic_arlington_cemetery
http://www.cornonthejob.com/social-media/stupid-girl-loses-her-job-because-of-facebook-status/
http://www.kpho.com/story/17038157/peoria-cop-demoted-over-facebook-photo
Maybe when they brought her in she told them she thought they were all racists...whether they are or not.
I cant see an office of all black dentists keeping a white dentist on who posts anti-black stuff on their facebook page and I would not expect them to.
Gotta be more to this story. Then again, maybe they are all just a bunch of racists. Who knows?
whathehell
(29,090 posts)and this one.
Insulting your boss and complaining about your job, is hardly in the same
league as expressing your concerns about the rash of recent killings of
young Black men -- for virtually NOTHING -- by White people, especially cops.
Photographing yourself and your buds as would-be-presidential assassins
is also not in the same league -- The dentist who lost her job did NOT
express any violent desires, whatsoever, and she ALSO never insulted her
boss or complained about her job.
I don't understand how you can't see the difference. I also can't understand
your comparing a group of Black dentists firing a White person for "anti-Black"
comments, to expressing concern about illegal killings.
How is that "anti-white"?
yesiwasacop
(93 posts)I was commenting that getting fired or disciplined for facebook posts was not unprecedented. Your original comment implied that since her facebook account is private, they have no interest in what she says.
I also responded there may be more to the story than we know. If you re-read the article, she never stated what her response to them was other than maybe a sentence. What if she did say, "yea I think all of you are racists because you are white?"
At that point should they still employ her?
I don't know what she said and I mentioned that in my post. I do see the difference in the variety of facebook examples I provided. My intent was not to equivocate each one of those cases with hers other than for the fact they were all private FB posts and they suffered consequences at work for them.
Interestingly the only thing posted in reference to her FB posts was the cartoon which in and of itself doesn't merit this reaction from her employer. Perhaps comments she made when sharing it is what got them spun up. Why is it we only get to see the cartoon and not what she said in her posts? They did say they were concerned about her comments.
One would think if she is truly a victim of racism then this would already be in the hands of an attorney and not the press. Afterall she is a Dentist and they are not stupid. She probably has a lawyer and all that good stuff. No lawyer would tell her to air this in the media. They would go for a settlement first and if that doesn't work, try it in the court of public opinion in conjunction with a lawsuit.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)you characterized her comments, by means of comparison, as "anti-white".
If she did say what you think she "may" have said, that could certainly change
the picture, but we can't assess a situation on the basis of information we do
NOT have, we can only assess it on the basis of information we DO have.
Do we understand each other now?
yesiwasacop
(93 posts)i was merely responding that discipline at work for FB posts is not unprecedented.
Anyway- I'll make a decision as to whether or not she got screwed over when I see what she wrote when she shared the cartoon on FB. That can make all the difference in the world. I also understand you have elected to decide what really happened based on half the information. You may be right, and then again maybe not.
Perhaps her reply to their question of "do you think we are all like this?" was, "yes I do."
What then?
Anyway- we will see how this shakes out.
BTW- there is another thread that is new about a cop getting fired for FB activity.. I agree with the termination even though he did it on his own time.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025615015
whathehell
(29,090 posts)That's why you keep repeating that you were "simply responding" to the issue of "discipline at work for FB"
even though we reached agreement on that point six posts ago.
Sorry bro, but by posting on the thread initially, you "elected" to decide what happened on the basis of the information
provide in the thread. That's the way these things go. That being said, I sense you're new to this sort of rigorous discussion,
but that's OK --Just stick around for awhile -- You'll get the hang of it.
Cha
(297,655 posts)at times! Standing up for a murdered by cop teenager! How dare she!
Bet she lands in a much better place... Michael Brown thank you.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)If you believe we need more corporate influence over our daily lives, how you can you consider yourself a Democrat? It is categorically impossible. We've gone too far with ideas and culture that is destroying the constitution. The rich are killing us, both directly and indirectly.
STOP WORSHIPING THE RICH!
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Zion Christian Academy - Dr. Hutton is on Board of Directors.
Leave a prayer for his tortured soul, does he spy on the personal activities of all his workers or just black workers?
http://www.zioneagles.org/about/prayerrequest.cfm?submit_request=1
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts).....and not even see that as a problem.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Incredible!!!