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MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:17 AM Sep 2014

‘Black Bachelorette’ Dr. Misee Harris Forced To Resign Dent. Practice For M. Brown Support

‘Black Bachelorette’ Dr. Misee Harris Forced To Resign Dental Practice For Michael Brown Support
By Tiffany Willis on September 15, 2014



Dr. Misee Harris — a pediatric dentist best known as the “Black Bachelorette” — was harassed and forced to resign from her dental practice after showing outspoken support for slain teen Michael Brown and the Ferguson, Missouri protesters.

Prior to her voicing her concern on her private Facebook account about what was going on in Ferguson, Dr. Harris was beloved and respected by staff and patients at the dental practice where she had been offered a partnership.

From Black Girl Nerds:

On Thursday, September 4th, Dr. Misee Harris (the Black Bachelorette) was called into an unannounced meeting at the dental practice where she has worked as a Pediatric Dentist and was recently offered a partnership in the practice. Dr. Harris, the sole African American dentist in the practice, has worked tirelessly with underprivileged young patients on Medicaid to ensure their smiles remain healthy, and the quality of Dr. Harris’s work has never been called into question. Once in the meeting, Dr. Harris was ambushed and presented with screenshots from her private Facebook page. Being that Misee had blocked work colleagues from accessing her account, it was explained to Misee that a doctor who is a partner at the office, and who led the meeting, had been having a friend spy on Misee’s Facebook page. Screenshots were taken of Misee’s Facebook posts and were sent to the doctor who led the meeting. Misee was then told that some of her Facebook posts about recent racial issues in America were “unprofessional.” The biggest bone of contention to the partners was a cartoon (see graphic below) related to the recent police murders of several innocent African-Americans across the nation. The partner held up the picture and asked Misee “Do you think we (meaning Misee’s white colleagues) are all like this?”


A shocked Dr. Harris composed herself before asking the doctor who was leading the meeting if she had any idea what was going on in black America. She was astonished to learn that the woman didn’t even know Michael Brown’s name. The offending doctor also seemed to think it was totally OK to attack Dr. Harris based on her personal views. Dr. Harris was then informed that she would have to choose between her “style of social media communication” and her position as a pediatric dentist in that practice.

The choice was easy for Dr. Harris, as it would be for any principled person.

She nailed it with this statement:

“It is as though the partners at my former dental practice believe that a black person who has made it to success in a white-dominated field like dentistry is expected to show gratitude and humility, and to ‘act white.

This is the image that offended the other dentists and staff in the practice.



http://www.liberalamerica.org/2014/09/15/misee-harris-forced-to-resign-ferguson/
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‘Black Bachelorette’ Dr. Misee Harris Forced To Resign Dent. Practice For M. Brown Support (Original Post) MrScorpio Sep 2014 OP
Where was this? I can't tell from the article. (nt) enough Sep 2014 #1
Columbia, TN MrScorpio Sep 2014 #3
Thanks. (nt) enough Sep 2014 #4
Figures... Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #90
This malaise Sep 2014 #2
More a Racist Scum billhicks76 Sep 2014 #92
not surprised at the actions heaven05 Sep 2014 #5
KnR. By ditching her the way they did, the partners in the practice who asked her, tblue37 Sep 2014 #6
Their form of what is happening to blacks across the country. rurallib Sep 2014 #8
seriously. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #35
it means the kind of White people who do that shit. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #47
It's supposed to be racist... Oktober Sep 2014 #42
no, it was descriptive. disparaging. illustrative. not racist. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #56
Care to define 'white in the worst way'? Oktober Sep 2014 #71
you know what? I don't think you're asking for an answer. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #80
Thought so... Oktober Sep 2014 #81
you think whatever you like, dear. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #83
Couldn't have said it better gopiscrap Sep 2014 #96
That's the new style Liberalynn Sep 2014 #19
sadly ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #25
Yes, it suuure is at times. bravenak Sep 2014 #27
I would've replied, " ... dentist are more cruel than that..." uponit7771 Sep 2014 #30
The hell with the "other" dentists and patients. Some other dental practice better get her quick. Hoyt Sep 2014 #7
Ahh.. Geographic broad brush... Oktober Sep 2014 #50
Ever been there. It's a fact, as the article clearly proves. Grew up in South and admit Hoyt Sep 2014 #53
There's racists everywhere... Oktober Sep 2014 #67
Nothing compares to deep, chronic red states, sorry. Hoyt Sep 2014 #78
You should get out more... Oktober Sep 2014 #82
+10 n/t whathehell Oct 2014 #100
Starting with one who sees bigotry every but in the OP! Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #85
I'm sure the right wingers on the Discussionist would support firing the doc, probably Hoyt Sep 2014 #86
Typical... Oktober Sep 2014 #88
The cartoon forgot to add the words. . . amb123 Sep 2014 #9
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #10
The most important part of the story...black folk need to be grateful and show humility when in a Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #12
It's pure white supremacy in action... MrScorpio Sep 2014 #14
One thing, if I may....a dentist on Facebook shows poor judgment, just my opinion about Facebook. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #15
Why? .. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #39
I think you know that is not what I meant. Why are folks on comment threads so sensitive? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #57
The only way for me to know ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #61
It's poor judgement to speak truth? Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #36
Yes, of course, that is what I mean.....?? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #55
Ok, so you're saying its poor judgement just to post on FB? Then agreed :-) Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #58
"it has gone underground" < It's not underground at all, if one is black. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2014 #29
Send in the Feds. Civil Rights violation big time. Maybe Holder can pay her partners libdem4life Sep 2014 #13
NO DOUBT.. BIG time.. the inferences are blaring uponit7771 Sep 2014 #31
Astounding how Imperial bigotry can be. At least they could have trumped up something libdem4life Sep 2014 #45
Hopefully she will get another job in a reasonable practice soon. If I lived in that area I would jwirr Sep 2014 #16
She surely did nail it. Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #17
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #44
I think you need to expand your comfort zone when it comes to minority issues. Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #46
Welcome back from stormfront Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #48
I no longer know what to say. gordianot Sep 2014 #18
Kicking. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #20
YAY for her! And I know she will find BETTER employment elsewhere. Just sorry about the kids who DesertDiamond Sep 2014 #21
The partner held up the picture and asked Misee “Do you think we (meaning Misee’s white colleagues) marble falls Sep 2014 #22
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2014 #32
sounds like a question an entitled asshole would ask noiretextatique Sep 2014 #54
Good for her. Apparently job offers are coming her way too. Lucky Luciano Sep 2014 #23
I hope so! She is a valuable resource! calimary Sep 2014 #59
OMG is she still single? RandySF Sep 2014 #24
If she wants to stay in TN VA_Jill Sep 2014 #28
Went to read the story and in reading the comments found this wonderful article about her from April Hestia Sep 2014 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #34
I couldn't resist sending an email to her past coworkers. locdlib Sep 2014 #37
'private' Facebook page.... Ha... Oktober Sep 2014 #38
Good for Misee! You keep being your beautiful outspoken self! Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #40
Would they have fired any one for supporting George Zimmerman? Jack Rabbit Sep 2014 #43
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2014 #49
Good question I was thinking the same thing gopiscrap Sep 2014 #97
The cartoon is not offensive in any way, but forgot one thing. Shopping while black: freshwest Sep 2014 #51
The Williams family might have a civil case against Ronald Ritchie too JimDandy Sep 2014 #94
just another "isolated incident" in post-racial ameriKKKa noiretextatique Sep 2014 #52
My comments is on the topic of social media. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #60
you are absolutely correct noiretextatique Sep 2014 #63
The key being "controversial". BKH70041 Sep 2014 #66
i understand what you mean noiretextatique Sep 2014 #68
Oh, I do. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #69
the partner asked her if she felt THEY were "like that" noiretextatique Sep 2014 #70
yes. some white people really believe we are going back to a time where they rode herd locdlib Sep 2014 #74
yes...and noiretextatique Sep 2014 #76
And thus our employers are allowed to control our speech off the clock Scootaloo Oct 2014 #107
I definitely feel sorry for Dr. Harris here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #62
If she moves to my area, she can treat my kid is a second!!! weissmam Sep 2014 #64
I hope social media turns around and bites the bigot dentists in the ass gollygee Sep 2014 #65
So some dickhead had 'a friend' spying on their one AA employee? Rex Sep 2014 #72
another example why "class not race" is bs JI7 Sep 2014 #73
As a dentist of 35 years, please allow me to state PCIntern Sep 2014 #75
If I happened to be in her area GeoWilliam750 Sep 2014 #77
maybe it's just my common sense 1dogleft Sep 2014 #79
like what? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #101
time will tell 1dogleft Oct 2014 #105
as i thought noiretextatique Oct 2014 #106
it's a black person - a woman at that - making a claim Scootaloo Oct 2014 #108
Sounds like wrongful discharge to me vlyons Sep 2014 #84
color me curious: where all the the 1st amendment defenders who supported the Ferguson police noiretextatique Sep 2014 #87
On her Facebook page?..That's outrageous, I thought she'd posted it at work, whathehell Sep 2014 #89
Getting fired, asked to resign or being disciplined for FB activity is not unprecedented yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #102
I know, but there are big differences between the other "facebook firings" whathehell Oct 2014 #109
I didnt say I supported the actions her collegues took against her yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #110
No, but you didn't criticize them, either. In addition, whathehell Oct 2014 #111
I have always understood you yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #112
Of cours you have.. whathehell Oct 2014 #113
Oh, I am so sorry to hear that, MrScorpio! People can be so damned ignorant Cha Sep 2014 #91
Pay attention! This is how the rich and corporate America have become the arbiters of civil rights. whereisjustice Sep 2014 #93
You can leave a prayer request for her ex-boss here... whereisjustice Sep 2014 #95
I bet those assholes would say, "We treat our blacks real good around here!",.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #98
So, one of the doctors admitted they had their friend spy on her Facebook page! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #99
Lots of employers do this yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #103
Kicked and recommended! This is just sickening. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #104

malaise

(269,157 posts)
2. This
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:27 AM
Sep 2014
“It is as though the partners at my former dental practice believe that a black person who has made it to success in a white-dominated field like dentistry is expected to show gratitude and humility, and to ‘act white.


Get thee to the greatest page - expose institutional racism
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
5. not surprised at the actions
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:48 AM
Sep 2014

of her ex-colleagues. Not surprised at all. Typical of institutionalized racism in amerikkka. And the power to enforce that racism? Forcing her to resign(firing) her. I applaud her decision made on the most solid rock of principle. Yay Dr. Harris! BRAVO.

tblue37

(65,488 posts)
6. KnR. By ditching her the way they did, the partners in the practice who asked her,
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:51 AM
Sep 2014

"Do you think we're all like this?" kinda answered their own question, didn't they?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
11. seriously.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:25 AM
Sep 2014

They don't deserve her. I hope her clients ditch them.

What a bunch of dishonest, scheming, phony, petty, White-in-the-Worst-Way, backstabbing, ignorant, racist scumbags!

May she go from here to a much better position!

Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #11)

Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #41)

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
71. Care to define 'white in the worst way'?
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 04:02 PM
Sep 2014

Double points if you can put any other group in there and define that as well.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
80. you know what? I don't think you're asking for an answer.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 05:38 PM
Sep 2014

You asked me once (snarkily). I answered (briskly). Now you're raising the snark levels.

You're not behaving like a person interested in good faith discussion.

And I don't like getting attitude, particularly from some one brand new here. Your tone sounds exceedingly snarky, contemptuous, self-serving-- and I haven't said anything that warrants that.





 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
19. That's the new style
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:00 AM
Sep 2014

thanks to the rise and acceptance of groups like the " Tea Party" in the U.S.A. They and their sympathizers are allowed to act racist but nobody is supposed to call them that because it's highly offensive to them.

I'm sorry but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
25. sadly ...
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:16 AM
Sep 2014

It's not just groups like the teaparty. That sentiment is found right here on this liberal site.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
27. Yes, it suuure is at times.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:21 AM
Sep 2014

I saw somebody call Sharpton a race biter here recently and blamed him. For Ferguson. Not a troll either. At least it got hidden, but it was a total Hannity meltdown.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. The hell with the "other" dentists and patients. Some other dental practice better get her quick.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:58 AM
Sep 2014

Unfortunately, that's an area of the country where folks need to read the doctor's thoughts, but they are too ignorant to get it, or their hatred blinds them.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
53. Ever been there. It's a fact, as the article clearly proves. Grew up in South and admit
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:58 PM
Sep 2014

there are still lots of racists living here. But, there are also those who can't accept the truth.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
67. There's racists everywhere...
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 03:53 PM
Sep 2014

Even on this forum...

Maybe even in this very thread!

Bigotry is bigotry...

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
85. Starting with one who sees bigotry every but in the OP!
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:28 PM
Sep 2014

Discussionist is missing you, by the way.

And don't worry, everything will be all white!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
86. I'm sure the right wingers on the Discussionist would support firing the doc, probably
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:38 PM
Sep 2014

want her license revoked for standing up for another unarmed Black teen murdered in the street.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. The most important part of the story...black folk need to be grateful and show humility when in a
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:35 AM
Sep 2014

professional field dominated by whites.

Like dentistry, medicine etc.

Look at all the tea bag politicians...Dr. Ben Carson, for example, shows the proper amount of gratitude and humility and acts more like white folks prefer "they" act.

Racism is not gone away, it has gone underground, where it festers.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
14. It's pure white supremacy in action...
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:38 AM
Sep 2014

By the way, the white supremacists on the Discussionist, where I cross posted this story, think that the white people that she had worked with were all in the right.

No surprise at all.

Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #26)

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
13. Send in the Feds. Civil Rights violation big time. Maybe Holder can pay her partners
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:37 AM
Sep 2014

a little visit.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
45. Astounding how Imperial bigotry can be. At least they could have trumped up something
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:04 PM
Sep 2014

Did they not get the memo that it's no longer cool to out their bigotry in public, that today's racism is Behind the Curtain?

Cretins.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
16. Hopefully she will get another job in a reasonable practice soon. If I lived in that area I would
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:47 AM
Sep 2014

not be going to her former place of employment. And for reference - I am white. I support the protest against the police for shooting Michael Brown.

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
17. She surely did nail it.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:55 AM
Sep 2014

The higher up a minority member makes it into white fields, the more they're expected to shed any evidence of their culture and roots. The status quo must be protected.

Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #17)

gordianot

(15,245 posts)
18. I no longer know what to say.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:57 AM
Sep 2014

Part of me wants to say something but words just are not enough. Every day it seems to get worse. I would hope this dental clinic has to go out of business.

DesertDiamond

(1,616 posts)
21. YAY for her! And I know she will find BETTER employment elsewhere. Just sorry about the kids who
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:29 AM
Sep 2014

will miss her care, but I know she'll still be creating the same kind of value wherever she goes.

marble falls

(57,208 posts)
22. The partner held up the picture and asked Misee “Do you think we (meaning Misee’s white colleagues)
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:31 AM
Sep 2014

are all like this?”

Sounds like a question that someone with a guilty conscience might ask.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
54. sounds like a question an entitled asshole would ask
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:59 PM
Sep 2014

please love me, please be grateful, please pump me up and tell me i am wonderful please don't see me for exactly who i am.

Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
23. Good for her. Apparently job offers are coming her way too.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:49 AM
Sep 2014

...and ABC should let her be the lead bachelorette! Very attractive, smart, got her shit together, principled - total package.

0% chance I would watch the show, but still - others who are into that sort if show would watch.

calimary

(81,467 posts)
59. I hope so! She is a valuable resource!
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:32 PM
Sep 2014

Brilliant, accomplished, exemplary character, fabulous resume, AND she happens to be physically gorgeous too!

VA_Jill

(9,995 posts)
28. If she wants to stay in TN
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:33 AM
Sep 2014

I'm sure there are a lot of practices in the Nashville and Knoxville areas that would LOVE to have her!

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
33. Went to read the story and in reading the comments found this wonderful article about her from April
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:31 PM
Sep 2014

It sounds like she didn't even need to stay at the practice - doing for the love of the children?

http://www.miseeharris.com/dr-misee-harris-advances-in-casting-for-shark-tank/

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

locdlib

(176 posts)
37. I couldn't resist sending an email to her past coworkers.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:41 PM
Sep 2014

Just a little note to say thank you for how you dealt with Dr. Misee Harris. She certainly proved to everyone what type of person she is.

Although Dr. Harris provided excellent dental care to the patients that she was charged with caring for, having views on racial relations in this country that may conflict with others in the practice is what really matters. Especially if those views are not flush with her colleagues. It should not even matter that Dr. Harris had performed in such a manner that she was going to be made a partner. What is of the utmost importance is that she voiced her opinions on her PRIVATE Facebook page about what is happening in Ferguson, Missouri. Ferguson, Missouri is the place where Michael Brown, a young male whose skin color would suggest that he was of African ancestry, was murdered by police officer Darren Wilson. Michael and his friend were accused by Wilson of "jaywalking." Certainly, this is an offense that requires extreme police brutality. The aftermath of Darren Wilson's murder of Michael Brown has resulted in absolutely disastrous events in Ferguson. Protestors were subjected to military-type scare tactics to "keep them in line." Now, I know that when certain people do certain things, it is felt by some that extreme force must be instituted. It doesn't matter that those certain people were within their legal rights. The bottom line was that "they" needed to be shown "their place." And if they get out of "their place," the result could be murder.

Yes, Dr. Harris certainly proved herself to be a professional whose work was exemplary enough for her to be considered being made a partner. She also proved herself to be someone who speaks out against social injustice. My guess is that she would stand up for the rights of others, no matter their skin color.

"Dr. Hutton enjoys hiking, skiing, and serving as a volunteer Boy Scout Leader with Troop 154. He also serves on the Board of Directors for Zion Christian Academy. Dr. Hutton is married and has two sons."

"Dr. Sims enjoys running, scuba diving, water and snow skiing. He is also involved with choral music at church."

Dr. Hutton and Dr. Harris sound like upstanding citizens of their community. Church-goers usually do sound like good people. They, like Dr. Harris, proved to everyone what type of people they really are.

I can certainly say that when people tell me who they really are, I always believe them. I will definitely keep in mind who Dr. Harris is, and who the other members of Children's Dental Columbia really are when my children need dental care. I will also be passing that information along to my many friends, family members, and colleagues.

Again, many thanks to you.


This is their email addy: CDA@ChildrensDentalColumbia.com

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
51. The cartoon is not offensive in any way, but forgot one thing. Shopping while black:
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:46 PM
Sep 2014


WARNING, PROFANITY:

Who Is the Wrongest Person in John Crawford's Walmart Shooting?


If you watch the video surveillance footage of black man John Crawford walking the aisles at the Beavercreek, Ohio, Walmart, you see a black man, looking black, engaged in the black act of shopping while black. This black man's greatest sin is that he mindlessly picked up a BB gun while black and continued to shop while black at Walmart...

That is a badass looking BB gun. Made in the US of A, like all good guns should be, except for all those cool ones we get from China. Yep, a black man would look awfully scary waving that around and pointing it at children, as 911 caller Ronald Ritchie said Crawford was doing.

Except here's the problem. The video footage of his entire time holding the rifle, from the moment he picked it up to the moment he dropped it after being shot by the cops, he doesn't aim it at anyone. And when the cops enter, not only is no one anywhere near Crawford, but when he is shot, it is from all the way down the aisle. Seriously, not a goddamn person is around him:




...No, the Rude Pundit is gonna go with Ronald Ritchie here as the most utterly wrong motherfucker in this whole situation. A George Zimmerman without the same level of commitment, when he called 911, Ritchie lied to the dispatcher about what he saw, as he later revealed in an interview with the Guardian. "At no point did he shoulder the rifle and point it at somebody," Ritchie said a month after the incident, which is the opposite of what he said on the 911 call. He told the dispatcher that he thought he saw Crawford loading the gun with bullets, which, as we know, would have more than likely involved pouring tiny metal balls into the magazine. The dispatcher relayed that information to the cops, that a 6-foot tall black man was waving around a gun and pointing it at people at Walmart. Ritchie even lied about the shooting, saying that Crawford swung around and pointed the gun at the police. No, he did not. Ritchie knew he was lying...

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/09/who-is-wrongest-person-in-john.html

Article referenced by RP has a video of the scene at the time with Ritchie lying to the police dispatcher, fortunately, not the shooting itself. It is Walmart's surveillance footage synced with Ronald Ritchie’s 911 call to Ohio dispatchers from the time stamp changing on the video.

'It was a crank call': family seeks action against 911 caller in Walmart shooting

Family of John Crawford, man shot dead by police while holding an unloaded BB rifle, say call was a ‘bunch of lies’


The family of a young black man who was killed by police in an Ohio Walmart while holding an unloaded BB rifle and speaking on his cellphone have called for action to be taken against a 911 caller who claimed he was pointing the gun at people.

John Crawford III was shot dead last month by an officer responding to an emergency call made by Ronald Ritchie, a shopper standing 100ft away, who repeatedly stated to the dispatcher that Crawford was pointing the air rifle at customers...

The children who Ritchie appeared to claim were under threat from Crawford were in the store with their mother, Angela Williams. Williams, 37, died of a heart attack in the panic that ensued among customers following the police shooting. “I hope that he’s happy with himself,” her teenage son said of Ritchie in a Facebook post earlier this month.

Ritchie also told several reporters after the shooting that he was an “ex-marine”. The Guardian disclosed last month that he was thrown out after seven weeks in 2008, after being declared a “fraudulent enlistment”. He states that the problem was a mix-up in his paperwork....


More infuriating details at:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/26/walmart-ohio-shooting-charges-911-calller-john-crawford

And Ronald Ritchie is not in jail for what reason, since he's admitted he was lying? Could it be a case of uh, racism?

Hey, just an anonymous online poster here, not an attorney.

What was done to this dentist is an example of professional in-your-face racism. I don't care what the mealy mouths are going to say to excuse it. That cartoon is very mild, and the way they treated her, her career and the advocacy work she was doing was shameful. I hope she sues the pants off the little lynch mob there. There is more than one way to lynch a person of any standing, using the tried and true method of character assassination.

And John Crawford III is still dead at this time, and she did not go that far. Americans, white Americans, that is, must stop acting like this does not happen anymore.

That's just my opinion, though.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
94. The Williams family might have a civil case against Ronald Ritchie too
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:18 PM
Sep 2014

if an attorney can show that his falsified report in the 911 call was the proximate cause of her death from the heart attack during the panic at that Walmart.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
52. just another "isolated incident" in post-racial ameriKKKa
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:47 PM
Sep 2014
the one good thing about the tea party and other white supremacists is that they've brought racism into the forefront. NOW we know for sure that the people who deny racism exists, or how bad it still is, are nothing but RACISTS. there is no more "it's just a few bad apples," or "everyone can be racist." we see clearly who is perpetuating racism and trying to shove it down our throats. hint: it is not black people. and it most certainly isn't all white people. but there clearly is a faction of american whites who are ALL IN for blatant racism.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
60. My comments is on the topic of social media.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:32 PM
Sep 2014

I'm seeing more and more of this now, and many of my clients tell me this is a part of their hiring process, that is besides the standard background check they've been doing for years, to also see if the potential and current employee is participating in social media and are they doing anything that might negatively reflect on the company. The higher the position for which you are applying/currently hold, the more stringent they are about what they'll accept.

Political stances are probably the top one that will raise a red flag, from what I gather. Employers do not want to hire/maintain someone who might do or say things that would negatively affect their business. An individual has the right to do/say whatever they want that's lawful and an employer has the right to maintain their image. At times those two are going to clash.

I suppose the best advice is not to put anything out on social media that could potentially be a turn off to a sizable percentage of the population if you're looking to gain/maintain employment. Stick with family pics, pets, travel stories, and recipes.

This post is not to debate or discuss the rightness or wrongness of this issue either way. But I have found it surprising how many people are not aware that companies are looking at their social media activities when determining hires and whether deciding to keep/rehire a current employee.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
63. you are absolutely correct
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:50 PM
Sep 2014

my friend shut down her facebook page because she is looking for a job. another friend told me her brother lost a lawsuit because of some pictures he posted on facebook. it's smart to be careful. having said that, i don't think these folks will have a leg to stand on. they fired her for expressing an opinion that is not at all controversial, except to racists.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
66. The key being "controversial".
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 03:52 PM
Sep 2014

What is and isn't controversial is up to the individual viewing what you said/did. In order to keep all potential customers happy, avoid controversy. Avoid even the appearance. Other people might label your actions either correctly or falsely, but don't give them the opportunity to do either, just avoid controversy. Very simple if one focuses.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
69. Oh, I do.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 03:56 PM
Sep 2014

Some may side with law enforcement, some with Brown. Both sides have money to spend. I don't care what their politics are, I just want their money. Avoid the topic.

That's how businesses think.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
70. the partner asked her if she felt THEY were "like that"
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 04:00 PM
Sep 2014

she got her widdle feelings hurt because she thought the black woman didn't wuve her. been there, done that. some white people expect you to constant stoke their precious widdle egos and constantly reinforce their belief that they are not like those other, awful racist white folks. read the story...that is what happened. it is a very annoying thing we folks of color are often expected to do.

locdlib

(176 posts)
74. yes. some white people really believe we are going back to a time where they rode herd
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 04:24 PM
Sep 2014

over everything. this whole bs incident brings to mind "mammy" back in slavery. mammy was constantly having to stroke "miss ann's" ego, telling her that she was the most beautiful, smartest creation that done ever walked earth, while in fact miss ann was the very definition of all that is horrid. newsflash: mammy is gone. she's not coming back.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
107. And thus our employers are allowed to control our speech off the clock
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 05:00 AM
Oct 2014

What a wonderful world, no?

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
62. I definitely feel sorry for Dr. Harris here.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:37 PM
Sep 2014

No doubt she was being harassed over her political views....but given that this is Tenn., I can't say I'm terribly surprised.

The good news is, though, is that it seems that a whole bunch of other offices in the area have been offering her a position, so I hope that works out for her. Good luck, Dr. Harris!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
65. I hope social media turns around and bites the bigot dentists in the ass
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 03:13 PM
Sep 2014

Holy crap. She isn't allowed to have an opinion that offends her colleagues' sensitive white ears. Wow.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
72. So some dickhead had 'a friend' spying on their one AA employee?
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 04:11 PM
Sep 2014

I smell a lawsuit! If any of her prior co-workers didn't have their heads up their asses, they would know the cartoon is VERY accurate in modern society.

She will be better off working somewhere else, sounds like she had some real asshole co-workers.

PCIntern

(25,584 posts)
75. As a dentist of 35 years, please allow me to state
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 04:49 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:53 PM - Edit history (1)

that this was the most unsurprising article which I have read in a while.

Some of my best friends and "fellow travelers" (yes I know what that really "means&quot from the Civil Rights and anti-Vietnam War days from college and dental school have become RABID RWers.

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
77. If I happened to be in her area
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 05:05 PM
Sep 2014

I would definitely seek out her offices.

It sounds like she is exceedingly intelligent, highly principled, extraordinarily professional, and charming.

Rare combination for a dentist - although one does occasionally come across dentists with one or two - even three - of these traits. The words "charming" and "dentist" are rarely found in the same sentence.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
101. like what?
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:25 AM
Oct 2014

what more do you think there is, according to your common sense? eagerly awaiting your pearls of wisdom.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
108. it's a black person - a woman at that - making a claim
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 05:01 AM
Oct 2014

Some around here assume that whenever either category of human claims something, the claim is false until a white man confirms it.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
84. Sounds like wrongful discharge to me
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:10 PM
Sep 2014

and yes, I do think the white people in that office are "just like that!" Racist thru and thru. I'm white BTW. Don't know if that office qualifies for a workplace complaint, but I hope she talks to an attorney about sueing them for wrongful discharge.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
87. color me curious: where all the the 1st amendment defenders who supported the Ferguson police
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:48 PM
Sep 2014

wearing those idiotic "i am darren wilson" bracelets? are you NOW?

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
89. On her Facebook page?..That's outrageous, I thought she'd posted it at work,
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 07:19 PM
Sep 2014

and even THEN I would have disagreed with the firing, but in the privacy of her

own home, on her facebook page?..That's nuts, and, in my opinion, a definite

case of unlawful termination -- I hope she's seeing a lawyer.

By the way, I don't think she was "acting Black" or "acting White", she was

acting FAIR, i.e., like someone with a brain and a conscience

 

yesiwasacop

(93 posts)
102. Getting fired, asked to resign or being disciplined for FB activity is not unprecedented
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:28 AM
Oct 2014

Check out these links:

http://community.babycenter.com/post/a38039386/woman_loses_job_over_fb_pic_arlington_cemetery

http://www.cornonthejob.com/social-media/stupid-girl-loses-her-job-because-of-facebook-status/

http://www.kpho.com/story/17038157/peoria-cop-demoted-over-facebook-photo

Maybe when they brought her in she told them she thought they were all racists...whether they are or not.

I cant see an office of all black dentists keeping a white dentist on who posts anti-black stuff on their facebook page and I would not expect them to.

Gotta be more to this story. Then again, maybe they are all just a bunch of racists. Who knows?

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
109. I know, but there are big differences between the other "facebook firings"
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:39 AM
Oct 2014

and this one.

Insulting your boss and complaining about your job, is hardly in the same
league as expressing your concerns about the rash of recent killings of
young Black men -- for virtually NOTHING -- by White people, especially cops.

Photographing yourself and your buds as would-be-presidential assassins
is also not in the same league -- The dentist who lost her job did NOT
express any violent desires, whatsoever, and she ALSO never insulted her
boss or complained about her job.

I don't understand how you can't see the difference. I also can't understand
your comparing a group of Black dentists firing a White person for "anti-Black"
comments, to expressing concern about illegal killings.

How is that "anti-white"?

 

yesiwasacop

(93 posts)
110. I didnt say I supported the actions her collegues took against her
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:36 AM
Oct 2014

I was commenting that getting fired or disciplined for facebook posts was not unprecedented. Your original comment implied that since her facebook account is private, they have no interest in what she says.

I also responded there may be more to the story than we know. If you re-read the article, she never stated what her response to them was other than maybe a sentence. What if she did say, "yea I think all of you are racists because you are white?"

At that point should they still employ her?

I don't know what she said and I mentioned that in my post. I do see the difference in the variety of facebook examples I provided. My intent was not to equivocate each one of those cases with hers other than for the fact they were all private FB posts and they suffered consequences at work for them.

Interestingly the only thing posted in reference to her FB posts was the cartoon which in and of itself doesn't merit this reaction from her employer. Perhaps comments she made when sharing it is what got them spun up. Why is it we only get to see the cartoon and not what she said in her posts? They did say they were concerned about her comments.

One would think if she is truly a victim of racism then this would already be in the hands of an attorney and not the press. Afterall she is a Dentist and they are not stupid. She probably has a lawyer and all that good stuff. No lawyer would tell her to air this in the media. They would go for a settlement first and if that doesn't work, try it in the court of public opinion in conjunction with a lawsuit.

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
111. No, but you didn't criticize them, either. In addition,
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:57 AM
Oct 2014

you characterized her comments, by means of comparison, as "anti-white".

If she did say what you think she "may" have said, that could certainly change

the picture, but we can't assess a situation on the basis of information we do

NOT have, we can only assess it on the basis of information we DO have.

Do we understand each other now?

 

yesiwasacop

(93 posts)
112. I have always understood you
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:52 AM
Oct 2014

i was merely responding that discipline at work for FB posts is not unprecedented.

Anyway- I'll make a decision as to whether or not she got screwed over when I see what she wrote when she shared the cartoon on FB. That can make all the difference in the world. I also understand you have elected to decide what really happened based on half the information. You may be right, and then again maybe not.

Perhaps her reply to their question of "do you think we are all like this?" was, "yes I do."

What then?

Anyway- we will see how this shakes out.

BTW- there is another thread that is new about a cop getting fired for FB activity.. I agree with the termination even though he did it on his own time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025615015

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
113. Of cours you have..
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 08:45 AM
Oct 2014

That's why you keep repeating that you were "simply responding" to the issue of "discipline at work for FB"

even though we reached agreement on that point six posts ago.

Sorry bro, but by posting on the thread initially, you "elected" to decide what happened on the basis of the information

provide in the thread. That's the way these things go. That being said, I sense you're new to this sort of rigorous discussion,

but that's OK --Just stick around for awhile -- You'll get the hang of it.





Cha

(297,655 posts)
91. Oh, I am so sorry to hear that, MrScorpio! People can be so damned ignorant
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 07:47 PM
Sep 2014

at times! Standing up for a murdered by cop teenager! How dare she!

Bet she lands in a much better place... Michael Brown thank you.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
93. Pay attention! This is how the rich and corporate America have become the arbiters of civil rights.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 07:52 PM
Sep 2014

If you believe we need more corporate influence over our daily lives, how you can you consider yourself a Democrat? It is categorically impossible. We've gone too far with ideas and culture that is destroying the constitution. The rich are killing us, both directly and indirectly.

STOP WORSHIPING THE RICH!

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
95. You can leave a prayer request for her ex-boss here...
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:38 PM
Sep 2014

Zion Christian Academy - Dr. Hutton is on Board of Directors.

Leave a prayer for his tortured soul, does he spy on the personal activities of all his workers or just black workers?

http://www.zioneagles.org/about/prayerrequest.cfm?submit_request=1

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
98. I bet those assholes would say, "We treat our blacks real good around here!",....
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:43 PM
Sep 2014

.....and not even see that as a problem.

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