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peacebird

(14,195 posts)
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:21 PM Oct 2014

We flew back from London Saturday, and our flight had a lot of folks from Sierra Leone

I must admit it made me afraid... They had SO much luggage it was clear they were not planning to go home soon. I do not blame them, had I been there and had I the money I would have left Sierra Leone myself. That said, the fact a couple of these folks were coughing and congested has left us feeling a bit paranoid.... : (

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We flew back from London Saturday, and our flight had a lot of folks from Sierra Leone (Original Post) peacebird Oct 2014 OP
Neither coughing nor being congested are listed as symptoms of Ebola Electric Monk Oct 2014 #1
I know, but it still does not make me feel any better...think about it. Looks like a cold peacebird Oct 2014 #3
have you quarantined yourself? notadmblnd Oct 2014 #9
No, we are not experiencing fever or any other symptoms. If we do, then we will definitely peacebird Oct 2014 #12
I think you must add in the "Sierra Leone" tid-bit. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #52
Oh man, that would freak me out. I'm shocked that they ones who were coughing and Ecumenist Oct 2014 #2
I felt foolish and a little racist for worrying about it. But I did and do worry about it.... peacebird Oct 2014 #4
It would have worried 840high Oct 2014 #26
I dunno. I honestly think you're being a little too hard on yourself, truthfully speaking. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #31
I think I understand your concerns Jenoch Oct 2014 #59
Ebola is not spread by those methods. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2014 #7
If you are close enough to get small "droplets" from a cough on to you, you CAN catch it! cascadiance Oct 2014 #10
That is true. Did I say you couldn't get it that way? CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2014 #13
Sorry, was just trying to hopefully make it more clear than some news articles have about cascadiance Oct 2014 #18
No worries, and I understand. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2014 #19
Unfortunately it's too late for that Hutzpa Oct 2014 #38
You just said it wasn't spread by "those methods." Which would appear to include coughing. pnwmom Oct 2014 #68
flights enid602 Oct 2014 #57
I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree because YES it can be spread by droplets from Ecumenist Oct 2014 #35
those aren't symptoms. First symptom is a fever. They are checking temps magical thyme Oct 2014 #16
No one was checking temps in London, even tho the travellers were from Sierra Leone peacebird Oct 2014 #17
they haven't been checking them in the US either magical thyme Oct 2014 #20
I agree. peacebird Oct 2014 #21
infra red cameras jberryhill Oct 2014 #25
They did this in Korea during the bird flu outbreak davidpdx Oct 2014 #34
Yep jberryhill Oct 2014 #36
One word ~ Ibuprophen BooScout Oct 2014 #75
I went to the wiki page madokie Oct 2014 #5
I wouldn't put it past them to all have TB. The MDR type. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #6
I'm sorry, what is the MDR type? peacebird Oct 2014 #8
Multi Drug Resistant. nt NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #15
Wow. Racist, ignorant and callous all in a single sentence. Barack_America Oct 2014 #11
I am sorry, I did not mean to offend at all. I was simply saying I was worried because of folks from peacebird Oct 2014 #14
Probably the news coverage has made you panicky. Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #22
I don't believe that comment was directed at you, peacebird Lefta Dissenter Oct 2014 #23
That comment was not 840high Oct 2014 #27
(All three) Jamastiene Oct 2014 #29
Oh fer fucks' sakes, man. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #30
fyi you're talking about a doctor elehhhhna Oct 2014 #48
She says she is a doctor of animals, a vet. Not a human doctor. uppityperson Oct 2014 #55
lol please. she's way more doctor than we are elehhhhna Oct 2014 #60
lol, please. you have no clue. uppityperson Oct 2014 #61
And? I am a doctor (of human medicine) myself. Barack_America Oct 2014 #62
KESTREL, I never see you post anymore. Hope you are okay. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #41
Oh I'm fine! I don't hang out on DU much anymore. I got tired of the tolerance for kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #43
What would make you assume that they have TB, drug restant TB instead of maybe...a cold? Marrah_G Oct 2014 #71
This is so unnecessary. I wish you'd delete this. The last thing people need is to be demonized Number23 Oct 2014 #24
The poster is trying to create pandemonium Hutzpa Oct 2014 #39
Absolutely. This is offensive and ignorant. And the fact that there are people lining up to take Number23 Oct 2014 #64
Coughing and congestion aren't symptoms of Ebola. n/t Jamastiene Oct 2014 #28
There are a lot of people from Sierra Leone who live in London & the UK. Are you sure... Turborama Oct 2014 #32
Duncan flew to Belgium first, then to the US. Ikonoklast Oct 2014 #49
Maybe he had some friends and/or family in Bruges he went to visit? Turborama Oct 2014 #51
Please see below link: TheVisitor Oct 2014 #33
If they were coughing and congested, that's more likely flu or cold. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #37
I keep reading this, but sweat and saliva also pass the virus peacebird Oct 2014 #45
Have you quarantined yourself and your family yet? snooper2 Oct 2014 #40
No. We have no symptoms except violent colds we aquired on the flight.... peacebird Oct 2014 #46
"a lot of luggage" doesn't mean they're staying brooklynite Oct 2014 #42
Why were you afraid? Ebola is not easy to contract. Avalux Oct 2014 #44
The poster is stating a fact many people, not all, may agree on. misterhighwasted Oct 2014 #47
You should not be blamed for being concerned and afraid, peacebird locks Oct 2014 #50
This will be the death of us. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #53
Human rights come to mind, but never mind that. Barack_America Oct 2014 #63
This thread is nothing short of astonishing. And damn sure not in a good way Number23 Oct 2014 #65
I'm seeing things from posters I used to respect... Barack_America Oct 2014 #67
yes, but it's nothing new on this site JI7 Oct 2014 #70
Reminds me of comments from travelers during the SARS epidemic esp..when it hit Canada big time lunasun Oct 2014 #54
How did you know they were from Sierra Leone? I am not questioning if they were, just wondering how uppityperson Oct 2014 #56
Saw the groups passports as they (& we) were waiting for wheelchairs for some in our groups peacebird Oct 2014 #72
Thank you for the answer. I wish them healthy times. uppityperson Oct 2014 #76
Damnit, you just infected DU with Ebola NightWatcher Oct 2014 #58
People were once terrified that people on planes would spread AIDS Marrah_G Oct 2014 #66
I volunteered as a buddy thru Whitman Walker in DC for a woman from Ethiopia who had aids peacebird Oct 2014 #74
how did you know they were from Sierra Leone ? JI7 Oct 2014 #69
See above, I saw their passports as we were all waiting for wheelchairs for someone in our groups peacebird Oct 2014 #73
 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
1. Neither coughing nor being congested are listed as symptoms of Ebola
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:24 PM
Oct 2014
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/symptoms/

Symptoms of Ebola include

Fever (greater than 38.6°C or 101.5°F)
Severe headache
Muscle pain
Weakness
Diarrhea
Vomiting
Abdominal (stomach) pain
Unexplained hemorrhage (bleeding or bruising)

Symptoms may appear anywhere from 2 to 21 days after exposure to Ebola, but the average is 8 to 10 days.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
3. I know, but it still does not make me feel any better...think about it. Looks like a cold
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:31 PM
Oct 2014

Then it evolves into a full blown flu.

I know cold symptoms are not ebola, but flu symptoms are similar. Did our flight companions have ebola? No idea.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
12. No, we are not experiencing fever or any other symptoms. If we do, then we will definitely
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:42 PM
Oct 2014

go to hospital and get quarantined

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
2. Oh man, that would freak me out. I'm shocked that they ones who were coughing and
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:24 PM
Oct 2014

congested, (coming from one of the hot zones) were allowed to board. RIDICULOUS and STUPIDLY crazy!!

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
31. I dunno. I honestly think you're being a little too hard on yourself, truthfully speaking.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 01:35 AM
Oct 2014

I seriously can't blame anybody for being concerned right now; I know I'd be on guard if somebody next to me was having that problem regardless of what they looked like. So don't worry about it too much.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
59. I think I understand your concerns
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:53 PM
Oct 2014

and I don't see anything racist about them. I would probably have the same concerns, but unless they sneezed right in your face, you could not have contracted ebola, if they were even exposed to it and were infectious

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,620 posts)
7. Ebola is not spread by those methods.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:35 PM
Oct 2014

This is a direct quote from an article about Ebola. Here's the link for the rest: http://qz.com/273972/stay-calm-and-carry-on-why-its-nearly-impossible-for-ebola-to-spread-in-the-us/


Ebola’s not airborne. It can only be spread through bodily fluids. The virus spreads when blood, semen, urine, vomit, feces, or other bodily fluids of an infected person come into contact with someone else’s mucus membranes.
And it’s not just any infected person—it’s a symptomatic infected person. People can only catch ebola from someone actually exhibiting symptoms. Those include vomiting, diarrhea, and, in some cases, hemorrhaging of mucus membranes, such as nose, nail beds and eyes—in other words, pretty hard to miss.


 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
10. If you are close enough to get small "droplets" from a cough on to you, you CAN catch it!
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:41 PM
Oct 2014

Here's an article that tries to break down what is airborne transmission and what is "aerosol" transmission, where if you are close enough to a person where they cough on you "droplets" that are large enough for the disease to live long enough before they get in contact with you, especially in areas like your eyes, etc. on your face, then you could catch it.

http://virologydownunder.blogspot.com/2014/08/ebola-virus-may-be-spread-by-droplets.html

It might be smart for airlines to have passengers from those areas not sitting next to those passengers that aren't travelling together to minimize the chance a cough of phlegm or something like that infecting someone else.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,620 posts)
13. That is true. Did I say you couldn't get it that way?
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:44 PM
Oct 2014

There is so much hysteria that surrounds this disease that I am trying to inject a little rationality. And I do not include you in the hysteria, just to be clear.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
18. Sorry, was just trying to hopefully make it more clear than some news articles have about
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:58 PM
Oct 2014

... what is risky and what is not risky being near someone with Ebola. I think it's important that what some people think is "airborne" may not be the clinical term for it, and they might think that aerosol transmission through droplets is not hazardous, which it sounds like it is.

I think we should not panic and think that it is as bad as what seemed to be a deadly home made DNA targeting virus that was targeted to kill someone through airborne means in the last episode of the new tv series Scorpion on Monday night that had them set off a fire sprinkler in a mall to have it "flushed" out of the air before infecting the target of the bio attack, but people need to look at the details here. That one seemed a lot more "airborne" than Ebola is, and probably shouldn't panic people in to thinking that this might be how it spreads here.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,620 posts)
19. No worries, and I understand.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 09:02 PM
Oct 2014

And you know people do seem to believe any old TV show with faulty science before they'll believe the CDC or other professional body. The truth needs to get out there and it needs to be super clear.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
38. Unfortunately it's too late for that
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 03:13 PM
Oct 2014

because the goal is to create pandemonium across the board if possible.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
68. You just said it wasn't spread by "those methods." Which would appear to include coughing.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:37 AM
Oct 2014

But if someone had Ebola and was coughing (and sometimes viruses make asthmatics cough), they could put droplets of saliva into the air and someone within 3 feet could be exposed.

In other words, someone sitting next to a coughing Ebola patient on a plane could be exposed. And an Ebola patient could cough, even if it wasn't a standard feature of the disease.

enid602

(8,620 posts)
57. flights
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:47 PM
Oct 2014

They could have a card placed over one of the seats to distinguish between the ebola and non ebola sections

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
35. I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree because YES it can be spread by droplets from
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 08:08 AM
Oct 2014

a cough or sneeze. In fact, during the outbreak before this one, in Uganda in 2012, the infection was from primates to pigs. The scientists couldn't, at first, figure out how the infection was transmitted to the pigs. The figured out that the infection was AIRBORNE placing 4 piglets that had been inoculated with Ebola Zaire in a room with 4 cynomolgus macaques. They were separated by wire cages to prevent direct contact. Guess what? Within a few days, the piglets started to become sick. However, pigs only get respiratory illness with a fever. It DOES NOT kill them & 9 days after infection, the piggies were recovering....HOWEVER, within 4 days after placement in the room with the inoculated pigs, 2 of the MONKEYS were sick and 4 days later, the other 2 were sick.
Because there was NO DIRECT CONTACT and in fact, after examination, the evidence in the lungs of the macaques showed the the virus was INHALED!! The scariest part of all is that this was Ebola Zaire which has a 90% MORTALITY RATE! The scientist said that they don't believe that the virus is airborne, it's VERY easily transmitted via droplets from "SNEEZING, COUGHING or any other thing that causes ejection of droplets of saliva, mucus etc. The human beings were infected by infected piggies who got the virus from airborne droplets and fomites, from fruit that they were eating, contaminated with the virus and dropped to the ground by the macaques. the pigs ate the dropped pieces of fruit AND also inhaled droplets from the infected macaques.

NOW, in 1989, there was a REALLY scarey outbreak of a simian haemorrhagic fever,( EBOLA is just the most well known one but they're are many), in RESTON VIRGINIA that spread through the cynomolgus macaques, (crab eating macaques) that had been imported FROM THE PHILIPINES!! It was ACCIDENTLY discovered during a microscopic examination of tissue samples. We dodged a bullet because although because although an animal handler cut himself DURING a necropsy but NEVER got sick. LUCKILY, Ebola Reston has VERY low pathogenicity in humans, is, it doesn't make US sick. However, ALL the monkeys were euthanised and incinerated and the lab was STERILISED....using EXTREME methods.

So, YES, It freaks me out because this is a virus that seems to be able to, like so many other RNA viruses to MUTATE and the fact that there are PROVEN cases where there was transmitted through exhaled droplets, that while not truly airborne transmission, might as well be for the poor schmuck who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If there was little to no chance of INHALING infected droplets, do you REALLY think that they would be observing such strict infection prevention using MASKS, GOGGLES, SUITS, TWO OF MORE PAIR OF GLOVES & SHOE COVERS, that are taped closed at the wrists and ankles AND then sprayed down with BLEACH? Though most Ebolaviruses aren't as infectious and transmissible as influenza, to say that there is NO chance of infection via sneezing and coughing. NOT true... PERIOD.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
16. those aren't symptoms. First symptom is a fever. They are checking temps
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:56 PM
Oct 2014

before they are allowed to leave the impacted countries. If they show a fever, they are banned from flight and isolated.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
20. they haven't been checking them in the US either
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 09:02 PM
Oct 2014

they check them when they depart from the affected countries, but not when they land.

Personally, I think that is a mistake. They should be checked at both ends so if a fever developed during the flight they can start monitoring immediately.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
25. infra red cameras
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 10:57 PM
Oct 2014

You don't know if temperatures were checked. They don't use thermometers.

Using an infra red camera, the temperature of everyone in a crowd can be checked in an instant.

In some airports, this is more obvious than in others.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
34. They did this in Korea during the bird flu outbreak
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 04:17 AM
Oct 2014

There were blog posts from foreigners who were put in hospitals for quarantine because they were sick.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. Yep
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:45 PM
Oct 2014

I flew into Sydney at that time and there was a non-obtrusive little desk in the gangway to customs with a couple of guys staring at a monitor.

I looked back at is as I passed, and it was IR video of the hallway, and they were looking for warm faces.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
75. One word ~ Ibuprophen
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 06:48 AM
Oct 2014

It will drop your temperature to normal.........yes it will even drop the temperature of a fevered victim of Ebola. If those such as patient zero in the US want to 'escape' to the west then they can and will.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
5. I went to the wiki page
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:33 PM
Oct 2014

and one thing stands out to me like a sore thumb. The bold text part. Especially the last sentence

Sierra Leone (Listeni/sɪˈɛərə lɪˈoʊni, -lɪˈoʊn/),[5] officially the Republic of Sierra Leone, is a country in West Africa. Sierra Leone has a tropical climate, with a diverse environment ranging from savannah to rainforests. Sierra Leone has a total area of 71,740 km2 (27,699 sq mi)[6] and with an estimated population of 6 million (2011 United Nations estimate).[7][8] Freetown is the capital, largest city, and its economic and political centre. The country is divided into four geographical regions: the Northern Province, Eastern Province, Southern Province and the Western Area; which are further divided into fourteen districts.

About sixteen ethnic groups inhabit Sierra Leone, each with its own language and custom. The two largest and most influential are the Temne and the Mende.[9] The Temne are predominantly found in the north of the country, while the Mende are predominant in the south-east. Sierra Leone is a predominantly Muslim country,[10][11][12] though with an influential Christian minority. Sierra Leone is regarded as one of the most religiously tolerant nations in the world. Muslims and Christians collaborate and interact with each other peacefully. Religious violence is very rare in the country.

Sierra Leone has relied on mining, especially diamonds, for its economic base. It is also among the largest producers of titanium and bauxite, a major producer of gold, and has one of the world's largest deposits of rutile. Sierra Leone is home to the third-largest natural harbour in the world. Despite exploitation of this natural wealth, 70% of its people live in poverty.[13]


Sierra Leone became independent in 1961. Government corruption and mismanagement of the country's natural resources contributed to the Sierra Leone Civil War (1991 to 2002), which over more than a decade devastated the country. It left more than 50,000 people dead, much of the country's infrastructure destroyed, and over two million people displaced as refugees in neighbouring countries.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
6. I wouldn't put it past them to all have TB. The MDR type.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:35 PM
Oct 2014

Make sure the airline has your contact phone number.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
14. I am sorry, I did not mean to offend at all. I was simply saying I was worried because of folks from
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:49 PM
Oct 2014

Africa on our flight. And I felt bad that I would be concerned by having African citizens on the flight. It worried me because the fact that I would notice/care about folks from Sierra Leone on my flight made me unhappy.... Has the TV coverage created me panic? Or is my concern grounded in fact?

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
23. I don't believe that comment was directed at you, peacebird
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 09:18 PM
Oct 2014

and I totally understand your concern. The facts indicate that you are at virtually no risk as a result of that flight, but hell, fear isn't that rational. Once you're three weeks out from the flight, symptom free, you'll be able to rest easy.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
30. Oh fer fucks' sakes, man.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 01:32 AM
Oct 2014

Just calm down, okay? Some people are just feeling a little panicky right now.....no need to jump to wild conclusions, is all I'm saying.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
60. lol please. she's way more doctor than we are
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:54 PM
Oct 2014

you think she knows shit about virology, etc? she does.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
62. And? I am a doctor (of human medicine) myself.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 08:05 PM
Oct 2014

Even more reason to be ashamed of making such unfounded and broad generalizations based on race and nationality.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
43. Oh I'm fine! I don't hang out on DU much anymore. I got tired of the tolerance for
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 06:01 PM
Oct 2014

disrupters and obvious RW trolls. If you know what I mean.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
71. What would make you assume that they have TB, drug restant TB instead of maybe...a cold?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:13 AM
Oct 2014

I am trying to think of some rational reason why you would say something like this.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
64. Absolutely. This is offensive and ignorant. And the fact that there are people lining up to take
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:29 PM
Oct 2014

this even further makes it even worse.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
32. There are a lot of people from Sierra Leone who live in London & the UK. Are you sure...
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 01:48 AM
Oct 2014

...the passengers on your plane were originally flying from Africa?

Seems like a rather odd route to take, Sierra Leone > UK > USA.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
51. Maybe he had some friends and/or family in Bruges he went to visit?
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:26 PM
Oct 2014


I'm still interested to know how the OP found out the people on the plane were from Sierra Leone and were flying to the US from there via London.
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
37. If they were coughing and congested, that's more likely flu or cold.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 03:04 PM
Oct 2014

And unless you shared a drink with them, got bled on, or otherwise came into contact with their bodily fluids, you don't really have much to worry about.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
45. I keep reading this, but sweat and saliva also pass the virus
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 06:24 PM
Oct 2014

And any time someone walks thru the plane to the bathroom they touch the backs of seats, the touch the handles, they touch stuff in the bathroom. Does the sweat (or stuff on their hands after they wipe their noses) contain the virus? How long does it live on these surfaces? Is the virus in the droplets they spray out when sneezing? I do not know....

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
42. "a lot of luggage" doesn't mean they're staying
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 04:00 PM
Oct 2014

Third world travelers will frequently pack large amount of luggage to bring things to family members.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
47. The poster is stating a fact many people, not all, may agree on.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 06:27 PM
Oct 2014

Take what you want from it but it is a valid point from the poster's perspective.
thanks

locks

(2,012 posts)
50. You should not be blamed for being concerned and afraid, peacebird
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:23 PM
Oct 2014

The American citizen who was working in the government of Liberia knew first-hand how bad the health system is in Liberia. When his sister died of ebola he tried to find a way to go anywhere he knew would have better health care, so he left the hospital and flew to Lagos, Nigeria. He went to a doctor and did not tell him he had ebola, then to a Lagos hospital. He died soon after he got there, soon afteras did the doctor and two nurses. One infected person traveled to Port Harcourt. If he had been in a village ebola might have been stopped there. TWENTY ONE MILLION people live in Lagos, FOUR MILLION in Port Harcourt. Thankfully, Nigeria has a public health system better than Liberia; the CDC and USAID helped them to set it up. CDC sent a team to Lagos and Port Harcourt to work out protocols and screening at airports, and seaports. The contact workers had to locate more than 3000 people to monitor. In two weeks they kept the virus from spreading, large numbers of people did not try to leave the country and only eight people died.

Reading what his wife tried to tell people was heartbreaking. "He was so afraid because he knew his country's health system couldn't save him." Liberia was just coming out of a terrible war, trying to build back their public health system with one doctor and a few healthcare workers for FOUR million people, and ebola has overwhelmed and collapsed what they had. Now people are dying from all the diseases other than ebola there for lack of health care. Do we honestly know what we would do? And who can we blame?

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
53. This will be the death of us.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:29 PM
Oct 2014

Is there a compelling reason to allow folks fron Sierra Leone in the country right now?

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
67. I'm seeing things from posters I used to respect...
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:54 PM
Oct 2014

...that just leave me shaking my head.

This thread, contrasted with the "how did that nice, civilized NBC cameraman possibly get Ebola" threads, makes me want to change my password to this place...and promptly forget it.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
56. How did you know they were from Sierra Leone? I am not questioning if they were, just wondering how
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:33 PM
Oct 2014

you knew it. Thanks.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
74. I volunteered as a buddy thru Whitman Walker in DC for a woman from Ethiopia who had aids
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:30 AM
Oct 2014

Back in the early 90's.....

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
73. See above, I saw their passports as we were all waiting for wheelchairs for someone in our groups
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:28 AM
Oct 2014
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