I haven't done a BAD COP, NO DONUT in a while. Let's catch up, shall we?

[MrScorpio]

http://castoreum.tumblr.com/post/99112762059/himteckerjam-pastel-gizibe-isseymiyucky

[Scuba]

1. Thanks for the sunlight MrScorpio! The disinfectant is badly needed.

[Rhiannon12866]

33. +1!

[calimary]

74. No kidding!

And keep them in the sunlight.

[JEB]

2. Fascism. Pure and simple.

[NYC_SKP]

3. Kick nt

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Thank you

Awful, awful, but we need to know.

[sakabatou]

5. Ugh...

[Dreamer Tatum]

6. Is your theory that most/all cops are bad, and these are the ones who got caught

or these are the bad cops, and there are certainly more, but not an overwhelming number?

[MrScorpio]

8. This meme is only dedicated to bad cops, the ones who have come to notice...

Anyone else would be quite welcome to do another meme about the good cops, I'm sure.

[Dreamer Tatum]

9. You avoided my question altogether. nt

[MrScorpio]

14. Well, if you really want to know what I think about cops...

I think that opinions of cops vary on whomever you're talking to…

Now, I myself can't think of one decent reason why I should ever talk to or interact with the police. To me, any and all situations where I could possibly be faced with encountering an officer should be avoided. And the reason for that is quite simple, I don't consider the police to have any of my best interests in mind. I'm a black person living in America. Frankly, I can't think of a time when the police ever had the best interests of people of color at heart.



Does that mean I think ALL police are bad? No, it merely means that it's in my best interests to not trust any of them. The above cops in the OP are further examples of the types of cops that I could encounter at any time, though they may not be representative of all cops, I'm sure.



But there are too many of them around, so you'll never know what you get.

Now, for those who are accustomed to not having the sort of experience that any person of color could have on any given day in this country, I understand that my attitude about the police might be considered unfair and wrong minded. After all, the encounters that these folks have with the police are usually positive.



The problem is that these two realities don't always mesh.



So are all cops bad? No… Just far too many of them are bad. Unfortunately, those that are bad quite never seem to pay for the unjust harm that they cause.

[daleanime]

19. Great answer.

[MrScorpio]

22. I'm sure that it wasn't the answer that was expected. nt

[daleanime]

23. But it was the one needed.

[1monster]

21. MrScorpio, I'm white. My father was a cop and my neighbor for 16 years was the sheriff; I

avoid all LEOs. Way too many of them have the "us against them" attitude and that makes them dangerous.

(on edit: The sheriff was a great neighbor and a good guy, but I never would have wanted to come up as suspected of being on the wrong side of the law when he was sheriff, and even more so since he's been gone.)

[MrScorpio]

24. From time to time, I read the comments of LEOs on the PoliceONE website

You're right, they are very dangerous… And they think that being that way is a good thing.

[rbrnmw]

69. Any Mike Brown article

has a lot of sickening comments over their
it's like Free Republic with badges.
Which scares the s^it out of me.
Makes you wonder about the Secret Service screw-ups.

[Enthusiast]

90. I do not wonder about the Secret Service screw-ups.

They hope the President will be killed.

[uponit7771]

29. AMEN AND AMEN!!!

[uppityperson]

42. That first gif with the hoody?

Do I laugh or cry? Thank you for this thread and the answer.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

45. ^^^ this^^^ and the OP. sad truth. n/t

[progressoid]

48. Key and Peele FTW!

[mountain grammy]

50. Well said, and yes, far too many are bad or silent

and silence about this is bad.

[Dustlawyer]

82. They all know that if they speak out against a fellow officer, they will be shunned from ever being

part of the gang again. Loss of job, no one will hire them. The system is jacked up, I think they all need to be psychoanylized. Pass a test and get periodic counseling, something!

[mountain grammy]

98. I also think juries who acquit in the face of visual evidence are also intimidated..

usually police are in the courtroom every day looking at the jurors. I can think of no other reason for the complete miscarriage of justice in so many cases.

[cui bono]

52. To add to that... it's systemic at this point. Just like racism and sexism and other isms.

That doesn't mean that all cops are bad but there is a systemic problem with policing in this country where they have a general attitude of you do what they say or you will get punished. The training they receive must tell them that the people are 1) their subordinates and 2) the enemy and are dangerous. I believe this because they way they do their job these days seems to indicate that they feel they can order us around even when what they are demanding is unconstitutional and because they employ the shoot first, make up excuses later tactic regularly. I heard a story on the news yesterday about a cop shooting and the reporter said the cops said the person reached for an officer's gun and my immediate reaction was "oh, sure they did" because that has become the excuse they all use now for shooting someone.

Yes, we have a real institutionalized problem on our hands and I think the entire training program for cops needs to be overhauled. But then it pretty much reflects the 1% problem which needs an overhaul as well.

[unapatriciated]

59. The first thing they say is stop resisting

while they are taking a non combative person to the ground. They use this phase to cover their abuse.

[cui bono]

61. Yep. There was a video posted recently that had a cop saying "stop resisting" and other things,

I believe one of them was about the civilian going for the officer's gun, and NONE of those things were happening on the video. He was just saying those things to cover his ass, so he could say he thought it was happening or something. Deplorable.

[the_sly_pig]

62. Can't think of any reason to interact with cops, eh?

While I don't deny there are bad cops and even entire bad agency's, I would certainly hope that in the event something of yours is stolen or your house is on fire or that you or someone you know is having a medical emergency, I expect you to remember that you can think of no reason to interact with cops (first responders in the event of emergencys).

I am not a cop. And I make no excuses for the bad cops, bad agencys or even the lousy judicial system. I have worked at dispatch centers for 13 years where 3000 events are processed daily with no beat downs and no killing. But I am tired of the 'cops are bad' meme painting them all with a broad brush that would never pass the smell test if you were talking about any other subset of our population.

Where I live we have a very high standard for hiring police, first and foremost they must have a four year college degree or they won't even be looked at. Other places around the country do not have the same standards. Other places should.

Flame away.....

[MrScorpio]

72. Please reread what I wrote...

Because I'm afraid that you've entirely missed the point.

[the_sly_pig]

73. No need to be afraid.

Reply #14, 2nd paragraph, 1st sentence.

[MrScorpio]

76. I don't know you, but I'd rather avoid situations where I should ever need to talk to the police...

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I most definitely do not look forward to any of them.

Perhaps you think that medical emergencies or having something stolen from you gives you the perfect opportunity to have an Officer Friendly frolic happily to your rescue, but there those of us who'd rather not and do not yearn for those experiences.

Perhaps whenever I'm out in public, carrying my gym bag and minding my own business, you may think that this would be the perfect opportunity for a police officer to have sufficient reasonable suspicion to stop and frisk me. I, however, do not think so.

Perhaps whenever I'm out driving, you may think that this would be the perfect opportunity for a traffic cop to stop me, ask where I'm going, ask me if I know why they stopped me in the first place and cite me. I really never forward to those situations.

The same goes for encountering DUI and immigration enforcement zones, being in car accidents, or having a medical emergency while driving and the police mistake my incoherence and physical unsteadiness for being drunk, as they proceed to beat the ever loving shit out of me, while screaming at my non-white wife, who has a very noticeable Dutch accent to "shut the fuck up, before they beat the shit out of her and send her back where she came from" too.

And speaking of medical emergencies at home, now if the EMCs are only needed… Well, I hope the they make in time to help me and mine. But I rather not any cops coming around with them, snooping around my house, wearing firearms in my personal "Gun Free Zone." Or the cops coming around later, telling me that I need to go to the hospital when I don't and Tasing me to take me forcibly, because I'd rather not go. (That actually happened to someone else once.)

Now, in spite of all of this, I'm quiet sure that the fine, highly trained and dedicated professionals in the department that you're associated with may not do any of these things, or engage in any other type of activity where someone may find it unfavorable to encounter an officer or officers.

But I'm quite sure that all of us don't live where you do, now do we?

[the_sly_pig]

79. I believe you.

I didn't mean to offend you or belittle your experience. Depending on who you're speaking with, people always have different opinions on their experiences. The woman whose husband just knocked her teeth in is always very happy to see the cops. The husband who just got tased for not putting down the knife after knocking his wifes teeth in is never happy to see the cops.

I could go on and list the folks happy to see the police show up just as there is probably just as long a list of those that do not.

Your points are valid, however they only tell half the story. If you're satisfied with that then so am I.

[MrScorpio]

81. And if you're a black man in this country, this could happen:

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/charlessmith

There are truly two sides when it comes to the police, that's for sure.

[heaven05]

96. well

that stopped all that 'sly' silliness.

[the_sly_pig]

108. Well

Is that all you have?

[the_sly_pig]

109. Oh I forgot to add something else...

[heaven05]

99. you just don't get the point

do you? Just a question.

[Delver Rootnose]

103. BS

I have had stuff stolen from my house and cars and the police don't even come by. They just tell you to come in and make a report for insurance purposes because they are too busy, at the donut shop, to investigate what they see as petty crime.

And when I have a medical emergency I want the ambulance and paramedics to come, or the fire men, the cops are an unwelcome intrusion in situations like that. The last time the fire alarm went off in my building the cops didn't even show up. The firemen did though in about 15 minutes though the station is two mile away.

[the_sly_pig]

110. It's true.

Police are first responders because often they can get to medicals before EMS or fire rigs. Its just how it works. And regardless of how anyone feels about the situation it is protocol. Often, in many urban areas, the police respond not only because they're faster to the scene but also to protect unarmed medics and EMT's that appreciate the police presence.

Fire alarms do require Fire department personnel you realize, right? Not all fire events require police response, but then again it all depends on your agency's protocols.

It's also true that for some crimes you can report either on line, over the phone or in person at the local PD. Some people want to report their $15 garden gnome stolen, others want to report computers, jewelry and other items totaling over $1000 which would make it a felony.

It may differ around the country certainly. I could care less if you believe me.

[Enthusiast]

89. +1! Most cops are worse than the guys they are arresting.

Just a fucking fact.

[marym625]

94. Great reply

May I add, as we become more and more a police state, the people that don't want to go into the military, for obvious reasons, but want to play big man in control, are the ones applying for a position and being hired for positions, in the police forces across the country. And that's what they are now, police forces not departments.

From my protest song thread

Call the Cops - Rob Hustle ft. Bump:

[NJCher]

105. we've discussed this in class

And the young black men in my college classes are pretty much of the same opinion.

After the many incidents I see from NYC, Ferguson, and more, I understand and I know I'd think the same way.

I think there should be a national conference on the issue and that police everywhere should undergo some kind of awareness training. At the very least, police departments should undergo reviews, sort of like what's going on in NYC now. They have records, they know who the bully cops are, and they should be thrown out of the police department.




Cher

[noiretextatique]

15. no, your question is an irrelevant distraction

given the existence of too many bad cops.

[heaven05]

60. well?

[avebury]

102. I think that most cops are bad!

Even if a cop does not personally participate in heinous acts against civilians, if he/she does not take a stand against those that do, that makes the cop a bad cop because he/she becomes an accessory to what is going on. Instead of protecting and serving the public, he/she is looking the other way and allowing bad acts to prevail.

Cops are not your friends and should be avoided at all cost if possible. A militarized police is an occupying force of what is quickly becoming a fascist state.

[ncjustice80]

13. Most/all cops are bad. Eitger through their own bad acts or covering up for others.

Don t watch the news much?

[tblue37]

37. If cops would police their own, the "good" cops would not get smeared with

the same brush as the bad ones. But as long as they all keep closing ranks, circling the wagons, to prevent those who commit even the most outrageous abuses and crimes from being punished--or even from being removed from the job--they are all complicit, all guilty.

[Enthusiast]

87. Most cops are bad. Period.

[blackspade]

100. I'll answer:

The answer is the former not the latter.

[TheSarcastinator]

101. apparently the only response YOU consider appropriate

is a reduction to absurdity framed as a loaded question. Good work: carry on, brave keyboard protector of police authority.

[Dreamer Tatum]

106. That is both stupid and ridiculous.

The OP clearly believes that at least SOME cops are bad. I merely asked if he thinks SOME are bad, or if he thinks that ALL are bad.

Sometimes a banana is just a banana.

If the question seems loaded, it's becdause you loaded it. With what, I'll let you decide.

[CrispyQ]

104. My theory is that any position that has power over others

tends to attract the very types that shouldn't be in those positions. That's why there are so many bad cops. And so many bad managers & so many bad politicians.

Power corrupts.

[world wide wally]

7. This scares me more than ISIL or Ebola by far!

[SomethingFishy]

70. +1 Funny how what the new media thinks I should be afraid of

and what I am actually afraid of almost always at odds...

[sabrina 1]

83. Me too. I agree with the OP regarding avoiding having to deal with them at all.

Two incidents gave me just a small taste of what minorities deal with on a regular basis. Sure there are good cops, I've met a few of them too. But if they report their fellow officers they will be hounded and maybe even, as in the case of one good cop, have their home raided by a swat team and be taken to a psychiatric ward and detained there for days.

The entire Civilian Police force needs to be disbanded and rebuilt from scratch in this country.

But what can be expected when we know now that our civilian police are being sent overseas, to places like Israel, training with their 'terrorist' patrols and the IDF? See the NYPD. They are no longer a Civilian Police Force, they are a militarized organization who view the public as the 'enemy'. THAT is a very dangerous situation for the average citizen.

[Enthusiast]

91. +1 You nailed it.

[A HERETIC I AM]

10. Watched something last night as I was driving to work.....

that goes to how much of a dick some cops are. This wasn't violent or anything of the sort, it was traffic related.

I'm driving north in the left lane on a 4 lane surface street on my way to the yard last night and in front of me a car had it's right turn signal on. We are approaching an intersection with the freeway and a large percentage of the traffic naturally wants on the highway toward downtown. Moderate traffic, moving at or near the 45 mph speed limit. A car length or 2 in front of me and in the right lane was a Jax Sheriff. He was at least a car length behind the guy in front of me who wanted over, so he could CLEARLY see the turn signal. Instead of backing off and letting the guy over, he slowly creeped up, keeping the guy from making his lane change. Intentional? Maybe not.

Head-up-his-ass-not-paying-attention/rude/superiority complex?

You bet your life.

Dickhead.

[Ino]

11. Intelligent people need not apply...

http://www.mintpressnews.com/can-someone-be-too-smart-to-be-a-cop/192106/

...federal courts have ruled since 2000 that police departments can legally opt to not hire someone simply because he or she scores too high on an intelligence test. ... When he asked police officers the question about which word is not like the others, one officer responded, “I can’t say that I know, sir.” Police officers were also unable to answer questions such as the distance to the city of Hartford, Connecticut, and how long it would take to travel 150 miles to Hartford in a car traveling 55 miles per hour... When Martel asked an officer about concerns that criminals were testing higher on intelligence tests than officers, one officer responded that it wasn’t a concern for him because it was his “job to enforce crime.”

[cui bono]

53. Heard of this recently. Thanks for posting it again.

It's important.

[rbrnmw]

68. I went to school with a guy

who was turned away for having a BS in CJ

[FarPoint]

12. Its time to regulate all Officers like we do nurses, doctors lawyers with standardized licensing.

Minimum requirements for being an Officer, anywhere would be an Associates Degree, prefer Bachelors Degree for any rank. Have a Board to issue licensing and monitor.

[yesiwasacop]

49. I believe every state does have a function like this at the state level

The standards obviously vary, but I'm pretty sure all states have a hiring standard.

Requiring a degree wont change anything. The agency I used to work for has a population of about 60% college graduates. I know lots of cops who were fired for various reasons, many with degrees and many without. A degree does not change someone's morals and ability to resist committing crime, or being dishonest etc.

All supervisors are required to have a minimum of a BA/BS. Higher level supervision required a Masters. I only know of a couple in the brass ranks who have a Doctorate and both of them are JD.

A degree isnt required for everyone yet, but I imagine it will get that way eventually esp since the starting pay is nearly 60K.

I have worked with the physical fitness testing of recruits and consequently have had a lot of interaction with the hiring unit. They said they test approx 200 people for every hire they get. Just from my experience with the fitness test- at least half fail it- and fail it miserably.

That is just in my agency and most of the major ones in this area. Now places like Ferguson are probably different. Just sayin..., but I think all their donut shops are probably burned down so none of them gets a donut now.

[FarPoint]

51. Thanks for sharing.

Now, what you describe is a great start. I look forward to standardized licensing across the nation and a Board to governor each state of officers. I don't see the happening but one can dream.

[cui bono]

54. Except they don't want intelligent cops.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5620378

[rock]

16. "Too much of a coward to be a cop"

I thought that was a requirement.

[canuckledragger]

17. Posted to my facebook page

for exposure.

I love my DU!

[hedgehog]

18. What's scary is how easily you assempbled this collection.

[MrScorpio]

20. If I wanted to, I could get more specific than this

I could post a series of stories about misconduct at any time and even choose a particular theme when doing it.

Would you like cops who shoot unarmed people? I can do that.

Cops committing domestic violence? I can do that too.

How about cops caught driving under the influence while on duty? Sure, you bet.

Not to mention cops who taser people excessively, cops who shoot dogs, cops selling narcotics, cops "violating department policies," cops who steal, cops who lie… Pick a theme and you got it.

I agree with you, it really is scary.

[hedgehog]

28. All too often, when these things happen, it's a local story that fades out of view

in a week or so. Seeing the combined list really brings home that there is a structural problem here.

Keep up the good fight!

[whereisjustice]

25. when we assert that our police state is spiraling our of control, this is what we are talking

about. Perhaps the apologists will say these folks are patriots just doing their jobs? These idiots want to roll around in armored vehicles with grenade launchers and M16s.

[ZombieHorde]

26. If you think the police are good and needed in the US,

you're probably white.

[navarth]

27. wow. just wow.

I know there are good cops out there. I've known some. But these fuck wads need to go.

[Doctor_J]

30. more info is always better. even if mr. Scorpio is cherry picking,

You are always better off knowing as much as possible and then forming an opinion

[99Forever]

31. "Protect and Serve"

Protect their own corrupt, brutal asses and serve the 1%.

Cops are simply put, gangsters with badges.

[ballyhoo]

32. Thanks for the info. Most of us now know what these

megalomaniacs are. I trust them as far as I could throw a Mosler Safe.

[gopiscrap]

34. Fucking God damn pigs

all of them have become or are fastly becoming shit stains on the asshole of humanity!

[tblue37]

35. KnR. nt

[therehegoes]

36. And another case of corruption in Texas

And another one with link since I can't get photo to show on DU.

http://www.friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/image-update-for-bailey-case-with.html#links

[link:|

We'll also include the links for the latest news on Greer and the City Attorney.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/25991044/frisco-pd-detective-resigns-amid-sexual-misconduct-allegations

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/mckinney-attorney-arrested-for-aggravated-assault.html/

[blkmusclmachine]

38. #CopsAreScum already in use???

[tblue37]

39. Mr. Scorpio—in the interests of fairness, I want to point out that

the cop taking a selfie while someone committed suicide behind him was a Turkish cop (in Turkey), not an American one. (I googled it, because it was even more bizarre than the stories that we encounter every day.)

But the fact remains that such a situation seems entirely plausible and doesn’t provoke skepticism at all, because our American cops so frequently do so many truly terrible things to citizens, regardless of whether they have even committed a crime.

[cui bono]

58. That selfie one struck me as well.

Thanks for getting that info.

How can anyone be so callous? The selfie really gets people to show their true colors, or perhaps influences them negatively. It's like they forget what reality is because they really want to post a great selfie and get kudos on the internet. Weird.

[tblue37]

67. Although the selfie incident did not involve an American cop. the fact that it

does not seem implausible shows how bad our cops' behavior has gotten. I did not google the incident because it seemed implausible, but only because it was a different sort of misbehavior than we usually see. Although it showed callousness toward the well-being of a citizen, it was not the typical sort of callous cop misbehavior (which in most cases would involve the cops actively brutalizing the citizen).

[Gothmog]

40. There are some bad cops on the OP

[freshwest]

41. Wow! Great stuff, going to the link for more.

[PumpkinAle]

43. I used to be one of the most ardent supporters

of the police /deputies - no more. I have seen (in person), heard, read too many things that make me feel we are hiring the totally wrong people to be officers. They are not interested in peace and ensuring people are treated with respect and fairness - they want to shoot first and ask questions later.

The people joining the police now, especially with the equipment they are being given, are not interested in being fair and aiding society, they are much more like the Gestapo in their actions:

"The basic Gestapo law passed by the government in 1936 gave the Gestapo carte blanche to operate without judicial review—in effect, putting it above the law. The Gestapo was specifically exempted from responsibility to administrative courts, where citizens normally could sue the state to conform to laws. As early as 1935, however, a Prussian administrative court had ruled that the Gestapo's actions were not subject to judicial review. The SS officer Werner Best, onetime head of legal affairs in the Gestapo, summed up this policy by saying, "As long as the police carries out the will of the leadership, it is acting legally."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo

[barbtries]

47. it's chilling.

our laws may not read the same but what is happening all over says we are the same. sigh.

[Rex]

44. Looking at the dog in the casket, it dawns on me cops organizations are more like cults.

No wonder they exhibit bizarre and extreme behavior in ordinary situations, they are deviants and malcontents. Their worship of each other has rotted their brains. At least in the examples you give us.

[yesiwasacop]

80. Yea that is cultish

I wonder if they bought the casket from these guys?

http://www.jamesriverhumanesociety.org/cemetery.html

[barbtries]

46. outrage overload.

all i can do is

[Tireman]

55. Damn racist pigs

http://www.wsmv.com/story/25459694/police-officer-goes-above-and-beyond-for-sumter-teen

[Tireman]

56. They just keep on coming out of the woodwork

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/31/cops-good-deeds_n_4687849.html

[Tireman]

57. My gawd...i can't believe the audacity...

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/22211517/2013/05/09/curfew-check-turns-into-good-deed

[bravenak]

65. Quite Right, Sir!

http://gawker.com/5872685/genius-cops-caught-apparently-planting-evidence-by-own-dash-camera

[bravenak]

64. They sure do!

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/06/3564082/cop-who-allegedly-assaulted-7-black-women-released-from-jail/

[bravenak]

63. Yeah i know

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mo-racist-ran-shoved-cnn-report-full-pension-article-1.1922524

[heaven05]

97. and those three

stopped all that 'tired' silliness.

[heaven05]

66. We are all human

and SOME police officers know that and conduct themselves appropriately. Now given the high profile abuse that has been in the news for last year or so, I would say that things are not right in this country when it comes to police abuse, racism and just general hateful behavior toward the american citizen and minorities especially. I applaud this police officer. Now let's see if we can get police forces staffed with human beings like this, instead of the wilson's out there shooting, tazing and killing unarmed citizens ALL over this land.

[MrScorpio]

78. Hey, if you want to give the GOOD cops plenty of donuts, please be my guest.

But the BAD ones really don't deserve any, you think?

[egduj]

107. And every one of those cops in your link would do whatever it took to protect a bad cop.

[niyad]

71. leaving now--I need a drink after today's list. I would ask what the **** is wrong with these

murderous thugs, but there is no point.

[Dan de Lyons]

75. Shining the light

Those whom the courts don't punish, the internet will. Their names will be known forever.

[ReRe]

77. K&R

A dog in a casket.

What you chronicle there, MrScorpio, is the fact that we live in a Police State.

Absolutely no donuts for any of them.

[rocktivity]

84. I couldn't help but notice that mental incapacity played a role in half the entries

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especially since this is Mental Health Awareness week, which I've commemorated it by adding a video to my New Jersey health/medical/fitness/nutrition blog.

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[ProfessorGAC]

95. That Struck Me Too

Lack of empathy, training, and compassion seem to be reasonable root causes.

[redruddyred]

85. that last one made me laugh a bit.

a dry, soulless laugh.

[Enthusiast]

86. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

I'm disappointed that it only has 197 recommendations. Come on, People!

[MADem]

88. Dayum. Solid exposes, there. Kick. Wish I could rec more than once. nt

[bobGandolf]

92. I really appreciate you doing BAD COP, NO DONUT....

it graphically shows the abuse by police going on throughout the country. If only there were superiors who had the balls to fire them.

[raouldukelives]

93. Little boys with big toys.

Until we can have an informed and educated society, we will live in a misinformed and uneducated one.