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To start, I don't believe in using the word "unelectable" barring some legal issue in play. It is too often attached to people in hopes it will become a self fullfilling prophecy. Personally, I refuse to call any good candidate unelectable. Describe the obstacles they must overcome.
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/04/is_bernie_sanders_really_all_there_is_lessons_from_pat_robertsons_insurgency/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Pat Robertson in 1988, Bernie Sanders in 2014 (Credit: AP/Peter Southwick/Reuters/Jonathan Ernst)
SATURDAY, OCT 4, 2014 08:00 AM EDT
Is Bernie Sanders really all there is? Lessons from Pat Robertsons insurgency
If Warren sits 2016 out, an unelectable longshot may be liberals' only hope. Let's take a lesson from Pat Robertson
PAUL ROSENBERG
With the 2016 elections still two years away, and Elizabeth Warren saying that she will not run, the most likely challenger on the left appears to Bernie Sanders, the independent Vermont socialist, re-elected with 71 percent of the vote in 2012, who caucuses with the Democrats. Forget the White House, some critics would say: Sanders doesnt even have a shot at giving Hillary a strong primary challenge, should he choose to run as a Democrat, so why bother?
The answer is easy: 1988. That year, not one, but two long-shot outsider primary campaigns had profound impacts on American politics: Jesse Jackson on the left, and Pat Robertson on the right. As Sanders actively tests the waters, the question of just how to make the most of the opportunity is both timely and important.
Its unlikely that Senator Sanders would win the presidential election in 2016, said Darcy Burner, former executive director of the House Progressive Caucus. But, she added quickly, A Bernie Sanders run could make a big difference in terms of changing the national conversation if its done right, and if the activists on the left focus on it.
One of the key tactics the political status quo uses to maintain the existing balance of power is to distract people with false binary choices about key problems facing the country. For instance: should we cut Social Security now or later? Burner said. People assume that because those are the choices they hear, then those must be the only choices. This tactic is used across every policy area.
For years, along these same lines, the Progressive Caucus has developed a Peoples Budget, solidly aligned with supermajority views of the American people protecting Social Security and Medicare, for example which the donor-class-dominated political media routinely ignores, even though those budgets have also done a better job of bringing budget deficits down than the various more prominent proposals. Sanders has been the one consistent voice in the Senate supporting the Peoples Budget a strong indication of what Burner sees in his potential candidacy.
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Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)It will be a campaign killer for him.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)A bit of socialism may be what America and the planet need, seeing how the fascism has benefited the ownership class to the point they own most about everything and the money.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)of the US. I really do not think it's the impediment that some people want to make it out to be...I think I'd rather be accused of being a socialist like Sanders than in the pocket of Wall St. like Clinton.
Can he win? Probably not, but he can work to make Socialist not a dirty word. He can change the dialogue. He can make Clinton stake out positions that are not in line with big business and the DLC in order to secure the nomination. He can do a lot of good by running.
He can also make it a lot easier for other Socialists to win elsewhere and in the future.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)with their positions. I read lots of post complaining about others having money and read others complaining about the takers. My position is somewhere in the middle, I have worked hard in my life and still work, it is good for the soul.
G_j
(40,367 posts)not anti-work.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)would be better for you, if you are in the 99%.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)should be free, there are student loan programs available and have been for years. If I want a home I go out and purchase the home of my choice and ability but I still have to pay for the home so off to work I go.
H2O Man
(73,558 posts)Refuse to travel on public highways?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Advanced education such as college, etc is subsidized in many needs input of funds for the ones receiving the service. Normally it is an education which in turn can provide employment in the future. As I said if I purchase a home with a loan then I can choose to live in the home while I am paying, should I be able to live in the home for free?
H2O Man
(73,558 posts)public streets and highways, are socialism in action. I was curious, since you stated that you aren't a socialist (and seem to have some negative beliefs about socialism) if you opposed the two most obvious examples in our society.
Your statement on housing is, at very best, a weak attempt at a red herring. As I'm not prone to being easily distracted, my response to that bit of nonsense is to say that I'm always willing to have a serious discussion.
That said, I'm curious if you, based upon principle, have avoided public schools and public streets and highways?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)of gas, I do not think it is not my responsibility to pay for someone else's college, etc education. There are loan programs available to those who qualify, a loan which is not my responsibility to pay for others. Your statement attempting to label the social programs on public schools and roads and do not accept my example of purchasing a home and paying the loan myself is not nonsense, I have stated my point several times. I will not change my opinion on paying for college, etc education of others. BTW, I also pay property taxes towards the colleges and universities in my area, the rest needs to be absorbed by those receiving a possible degree.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)impossible. Wages are suppressed, cost of living and cost of education are through the roof. People would be happy to pay for their own college education if the system allowed for it.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)us are not making much money, have a high cost of living, our wages are suppressed also.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)1.Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)but it was a survey within the last year that said for the first time post-New-Deal the word "Socialist" had a higher approve than disapprove rate (with both trailing neutral)...and scored better than perceptions of "Tea Party"
It definitely has negative connotations, but so do "liberal" and "conservative". We're living in a polarized political era.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)of most Americans but makes good common sense.
The Kochs were/are libertarians. What their candidates say is far from the thought of most Americans and makes no sense at all.
Let Bernie Sanders talk. Let him run. The point in the OP Is that we need to enrich the political conversation in the US with alternative ideas. We are pretty much at the end of the conservative era. The conservatives had run out of new ideas already in 2008. And they haven't come up with any new solutions to our problems in the interim.
Let Bernie Sanders be heard. Let the best man or woman win.
Let's don't assume the primaries are over before they have begun.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... I hope, if Bernie is going to run (as a Democrat) that he introduces a book which explains his vision for America on the same day he throws his towel in the ring. I have high hopes.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)You know what. I'm really tired of the diaper soilers here. Learn the facts and then spread the damn truth.
EVERY DEMOCRAT is painted as a god damned socialist.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)people overwhelmingly approve of the various pieces of it, but call it "Obamacare", and approval drops 25%-30%. Sadly, in public opinion, if you're explaining, you're losing. If Bernie has to start out explaining that he's a "Democratic" Socialist, and expecting people to differentiate, he's of no use nationally.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)Libruls. Who gives a rat's ass. Embrace every epithet they throw. Just please STOP COWERING IN THE CORNER.
I am so sick of it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I think it will be a big boost for Socialism.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Neither Crazy Pat Robertson or Jesse Jackson had a snowball's chance in Hell of winning; but, they changed the whole debate in their respective parties.
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)the primaries in this state, IIRC. Only state he got. Might just have been Democrats playing around, though.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)The people who will be upset by the socialism cry and hubris wouldn't vote for Bernie anyway. The rest of us understand that Lennin and Stalin didn't really implement socialism.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)than act like I'm ashamed of it.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)His positions line up with mine more than Hillary.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)But if you can get past it, and the negative waves, there are valid points made.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)We do not know what will happen to Hillary in the next couple of years. Goes for the other possible candidates also. We do not know what scandals might emerge, what family or health issues, maybe even personal interests that might dissuade this or that candidate from running.
At this time it looks like Hillary will run, but that is not set in stone.
Hillary, Bernie and Elizabeth are all in their mid- to late 60s at the least. I've been there. You ng people can set a course and then have to change it. That problem is even more common among people in their 60s and 70s. So, let's let them all run and see who wins. A primary is a test not only of ideas but of personality and character. I think that we should see which of the potential contenders passes the test and gets the most votes.
JEB
(4,748 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)The party leaders choose who we are going to vote for. They simply will never support anyone too far left that might effect their ability to continue working for the corporations. They "let" us pick between a couple candidates they approve of and we fall for it every election.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)candidates to ever be nominated for president by the major parties.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)him to her before. The young people are talking about him on social media. He could become huge very quickly if the young people take to social media about him.
G_j
(40,367 posts)By Alex Seitz-Wald
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is pressing ahead with a potential White House bid, returning to Iowa and New Hampshire this week for more events in the early presidential states.
Hell be in Davenport, Iowa, on Saturday for a meeting with local activists on the economy, before heading to Iowa City on Sunday to headline the Johnson County Democratic Party barbecue. That night, he keynotes a meeting of Iowa Citizen Action Network in Coralville.
On Friday, he heads to New Hampshire for a town hall meeting with students at the University of New Hampshire in Durham.
While most dismiss Sanders chances, even some supporting Hillary Clinton are concerned he could find unexpected success against the more establishment Democrat.
I have nightmares that someone like a Bernie Saunders will catch fire and cause trouble for Hillary Clinton. People sometimes ignore who the most electable candidate is and which candidate is best prepared to lead the country in favor of the fun of being a contrarian in the moment, said one pro-Clinton Democratic operative, who asked to remain anonymous to speak candidly.
Bill Gluba, the mayor of Davenport and a longtime Iowa Democratic activist who got onboard early with Barack Obama in 2008, has met with Sanders this year and said theres a real hunger among the grassroots for a candidate willing to take on Wall Street and the 1%.
Hes about the only one really clearly speaking to the real issues, said Gluba, who has not yet committed to anyone.
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