Crap! she flew with a fever. crap. That means she was contagious on the flight.

[boomer55]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793691/second-healthcare-worker-tests-positive-ebola-texas.html

Revealed: Second Ebola-stricken nurse, 29, dealt with Thomas Duncan's bodily fluids and had traveled to Ohio over the weekend to plan her wedding before boarding a flight home with 99.5F fever

[In_The_Wind]

1. That wasn't too bright.

(my understatement for this week)

[lunasun]

36. Who the CDC who gave the OK ?? She called them several times regarding the rise before flying

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/

[In_The_Wind]

41. Five schools are closed for cleaning. Thanks CDC.

Young children were also on that flight.

The plane has been cleaned 4 times and is now out of service.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Very unlikely, though, that she could have infected anybody except

possibly whomever she was staying with, assuming they shared a bathroom, dinnerware, etc.

[LisaL]

3. Her mother (I presume that's who she was staying with) apparently flew from

Cleveland to Dallas to be with her.
Apparently quarantine isn't worth anything these days.

[Yo_Mama]

15. They weren't under quarantine.

They were under self-monitoring with no activity restrictions whatsoever.

Go to the gym and sweat all over the place? No problem.

Go to her annual OB-GYN appointment? No problem. I don't believe they even instructed them to avoid donating blood. ECDC put out guidelines for HCW who treated Ebola patients October 6th. I haven't seen anything from our authorities:
http://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications/Publications/ebola-risk-transmission-via-donated-blood-substances-human-origin-october-2014.pdf

Go to the local pool? No problem.

Get on the bus or the subway? No problem.

When she called the CDC (apparently twice, reporting fever) they told her to get on the plane, so she did. A lot of people in cities don't have private transport, so I assume that the assumption is that these people were allowed to use it, but certainly they were never instructed not to use it.

Even after the first nurse tested positive, they didn't put the others under quarantine.

[LisaL]

31. I am very curious as to where this mother is flying now.

Did she go to Atlanta using commercial airline?
Or is she still in Dallas?
I don't understand why first nurses contact was put in isolation, but the mother of the second nurse is apparently flying around the country.

[840high]

28. News says she saw her boyfriend.

[LostInAnomie]

4. That's ok. I've read on here that you would essentially have to...

... be rolling in ebola diarrhea and swallowing gallons of infected blood before you could become infected. Even then, it's iffy.

[LisaL]

6. Or you can wear protective gear and still get it.

Go figure.

[LostInAnomie]

7. What!? Can't be.

All I've been hearing on DU for weeks is that it's next to impossible to get ebola. Surely, these trained nurses must have intentionally doused themselves in bodily fluids. Otherwise, that would mean that it's not actually that hard to transmit ebola.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. Who on DU said it was next to impossible to get Ebola?

That's just wrong. Obviously it's possible to get Ebola or nobody would have Ebola.

Link?

[Trajan]

26. Lost is being sarcastic ...

Some lost sarcasm there ...

[Cali_Democrat]

29. LOL

[Crunchy Frog]

14. Where did you read that?

Please link to the specific posts (and I don't mean obvious sarcasm posts).

[uppityperson]

17. Link to that is needed as the only times I've seen that is sarcastic like your post.

[uponit7771]

45. +1

[WhiteTara]

5. They need to decontaminate that plane nt

[kestrel91316]

8. They have done so. Twice.

Unless she had coughing, sneezing, vomiting, or diarrhea, or really sweaty palms, I wouldn't worry about the plane functioning as a giant fomite. If she coughed or sneezed into anybody's face that might be a problem. Early on, very little virus is shed. It gets worse as the disease progresses. Corpses are the most infectious "stage". It's why they must not be embalmed ever. Must be cremated.

[WhiteTara]

9. Thanks for the info. Glad to hear they are

not asleep on that part.

[davidn3600]

12. ...but not before it made 5 more flights

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-frontier-airline-ebola-patient-20141015-story.html

It just gets better and better... no one is taking this thing seriously.

[WhiteTara]

25. We are not prepared. Thanks GOP and your Cut Cut Cut

tactics.

[Barack_America]

10. 99.5 isn't a fever.

[boomer55]

16. Yes it is. Google it

[Barack_America]

18. I don't need to, I'm an MD.

For you:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fever

[boomer55]

23. And for you

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003090.htm

An adult probably has a fever when the temperature is above 99 - 99.5 °F (37.2 - 37.5 °C), depending on the time of day.

[Barack_America]

27. I'm sorry,that is bullshit.

A "fever" for a temp that is 0.4 degrees higher than normal? No.

Standard practice is to not consider anything under 100.3 a fever for an adult.

[kelly1mm]

34. So we should believe you over the info supplied by the U.S. National Library of Medicine

From the National Institutes of Health?

[Barack_America]

39. "Probably"

Or you can believe this contradictory evidence supplied by the NIH.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001982.htm

[kelly1mm]

40. Thanks for the additional link, from the same reputable source. I read it and it seems like there is

contradictory evidence - certainly not 'BS' to say a 95 degree temperature is a fever. Debatable, yes. BS, no.

IMO of course.

[Logical]

20. LOL, no it is not, read more! nt

[boomer55]

24. And for you

An adult probably has a fever when the temperature is above 99 - 99.5 °F (37.2 - 37.5 °C), depending on the time of day.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003090.htm

[Cali_Democrat]

11. We're all gonna die. nt

[morningfog]

19. But she was not puking and shitting all over.

In theory she was contagious. In reality, her viral load was very low and she was not spreading her bodily fluids around.

Remember, Duncan had a much higher fever for 4 days and lived with his family. They are fine, as of now, 17 days later.

[madville]

21. Haven't seen any updates on Duncan's

Roommates in the last week. Are we sure they are actually still ok?

[morningfog]

22. I read an article yesterday, can't find it now, said they were fine

and unlikely to have been infected since they a past the most common incubation period for this strain.

[beam me up scottie]

30. Are you kidding?

Cable news would go to DEFCON 5 if they sneezed too loud.

[LisaL]

32. Would anybody know?

There are privacy laws.

[morningfog]

33. Yes. We would know there is another person infected.

Then a family member or friend would confirm. Just like the previous three cases.

[lunasun]

35. I read she was given the OK by whomever was monitoring Dallas hospital workers

She reported 99.5 but that is not enough to restrict I guess
She was monitoring herself and reported before flying
That is how we know what the temperature was at time of flight

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/

CBS News Medical Correspondent Dr. John LaPook reports that Vinson called the CDC several times before boarding the plane concerned about her fever.

So let's not make it about her flying as much as who decided it was OK if there is a concern imo

[LisaL]

37. Yet per CDC director she wasn't supposed to have been flying at all.

One hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing.

[lunasun]

38. That seems to be the case or they are changing limits as they go along

in the link it states the person she was calling didn't have concern unless her temp was over 100.4 and it was some entity within CDC

[SoCalDem]

42. If she threw up, peed on or shit on someone...n/t

[boomer55]

44. Or sneezed or coughed or rubbed her eyes

And then for up to five days the Ebola virius is viable unless the plane was decontaminated.

[boomer55]

43. Yep. She was contagious on the flight

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014919705