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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDWS needs to step down NOW !!
Win or lose tonight - no matter what the results - we could have done a hell of a lot better !
We had to rely on Bill Maher (only one I know) to tout Obama's numerous achievements to the masses.
Any party leader worth their salt would have compiled a list of achievements and sent it to every single frickin Dem to constantly throw to the press.
We let the right define that Obama failed. Most Dems co-opted. The idea has reached critical mass. But it is not true ! And even the press doesn't challenge
DWS should step down and we need a true PR genius type with a great organizationally skilled team to take full and complete charge.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)support Obama. Somehow it doesn't surprise me at all that she's not touting his record
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)intelligence of the American people. One could assume that a loss benefits Hillary but I am predicting that NO Democrat can win if Obama's agenda continues to be thwarted by Republicans and he can't get things done. The Republican candidate will have ammunition against Hillary, and she can't distance herself from Obama too much; she'll alienate black voters. Plus, she was a member of his cabinet.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)that things are better. (And don't have to be schooled on it).
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)If people feel that the economy isn't going anywhere, they'll just resent anyone telling them that the economy is good and that they're stupid for not feeling it.
If the economy isn't going then it's time to throw out the bums. The pukes convinced people that Obama and his party were the bums, and really we Dems didn't have a lot to contradict the claim that people could really see and feel.
TBF
(32,060 posts)the 1% and their minions benefited from the so-called recovery. The masses are lucky if they are making $25K a year - if their job hasn't been sent to the Phillippines.
So they blame whichever party isn't in power. Currently they've jumped on the conservative culture bandwagon.
Democrats need to show they are creating jobs that pay $$$ - not shipping jobs overseas via NAFTA or TPP. We need to organize and rebuild unions.
mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)I like to think they're just stupid and uninformed, but lately, I think Republicans are Republicans because they dislike and distrust their fellow man. They believe if someone is poor or sick, it's just their own fault and they should just work harder. They range from simply not liking minorities to all out racists and want more religion in government. Republican people pay attention to elections and focus on the candidate that tells them the crap they want to hear. They always vote party line, and they win. There are just more of them outside of urban area.
Most Republicans I know, not all but most, are mean people. Most are racists. They don't see the huge inequalities in America today because they just don't care.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)the part that is good? I still blame dipshit Sarah Palin for opening the hate door. Obama had the support of so many until she implied "It's ok to hate him. You can hate him and act like it has nothing to do with race."
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Which isn't in the cards unless.... Well, it's just not in the cards!
Tweedy
(628 posts)Most of the republicans I know support minimum wage increases, and strengthening social security and Medicare. They want the government to work and they are sick of obstruction. When anyone tries to show them the truth (Paul Ryan's many soc sec and Medicare destroying budgets, GOP statements against minimum wage increase and the record number of filibusters), these otherwise intelligent folks tell me, "no, that was Reid and Obama. They live in a political reality that is dang near impenetrable since they have been warned against liberal brainwashers. How they are reached with the reality I do not know, but these folks are not mean, just seriously deluded when it comes to politics.
7962
(11,841 posts)They have shown many times that they can screw up their chance to widen a majority. The ONLY chance they have in '16 is if they actually get important things passed in the next 2 yrs. And I'm betting that it will just be a fight with the tea party vs the rest of them, and if they do nothing, it WILL hurt their candidate in '16.
They're not getting the votes tonight because people like them, its because some people are just tired of Obama & Reid. Not unusual after 6 yrs.
I even know one person who liked their Dem senate candidate, but they didnt like Harry reid. She said I cant vote against Reid, so I have to vote against Nunn. That wont be the case in 2 yrs.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)They COULD really help themselves like what happened with Clinton in the '90s. But if they follow the lead of Ted Cruz, its all over. I'm fairly sure they'll let this victory go to their head instead of USING their heads.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Tonight has been more of a disappointment than I had anticipated, that's for sure.
Nay
(12,051 posts)election? Wait until Hillary runs. My god. She would be destroyed. Even if every Dem voted, we'd be overrun with the crazies.
Honestly, folks, the people in this country have turned into monsters. We have to realize this. Now what do we do?
The map was skewed red this time. 2016 is still the democrats to lose.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)This is a set up topunish the left who rejected Clinton, to know we all have to tow the line and shut up and like our poverty. The florida democratic party is the best friend the GOP has, and it was a poor place to pick a leader from.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... and show America that it really needs NON-corporatist and more populist type leadership in the White House. Hillary will be shown to not be fitting the bill of what will be needed to take our country back from the "corporate persons" that are now almost a terminal stage cancer in both parties if we don't do some heavy doses of chemo and get rid of the infected matter from government.
Republicans will have less excuses in 2016 if they control both houses of congress, and Democrats who capitulate and make things worse will also be shown the door too.
djean111
(14,255 posts)She helped WRITE the TPP, FFS.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)If Obama, as our one Democratic controlled institution in our government now bends on TPP, letting Keystone pipeline being built, cutting back on SS, etc., many will point to that capitulation and ask if we want another president later who would capitulate to the corporatist controlling entities in our government as well, which Hillary Clinton has shown herself to be on many of these issues.
If Obama capitulates, and people start to feel in the trenches losses of more jobs overseas and to H-1B visas, and are forced to continue working at McDonald's jobs taking away jobs from young people instead of retiring when they lost on SS and other retirement plan benefits like 401Ks and IRAs that will have either gotten sold off early or blown up in the stock market, it will really have them wondering on why we should want corporatist leadership when progressives will have had NOTHING to do with putting in this crap that they will be dealing with over the next two years. Thom Hartmann's prediction of another stock market crash will likely happen too, and then people will be saying we really need more POPULISTS in government to push back on the corporate drive towards fascism that we have now that is infecting both parties.
We just need to make sure that progressive populists outnumber the tea party so-called populists that are manipulated in to working for the 1% even if they reject such notions outwardly. Such tea parties have been "allowed" by the Republicans to have more voice to allow Republicans to get more votes to take control now and push down progressives further.
philly_bob
(2,419 posts)Acronym for Party Unity My Ass. Disenfrachised Hillary Clinton supporters not willing to support Obama, or the Democratic Party for nominating him.They feel he is unelectable and powerless to elicit the change he promises.They advocate voting for McCain/Palin,or not voting at all as a protest.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Who to replace her?
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)on the rocks.
Mr.Bill
(24,292 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Big John, Big John, Big Bad John
Hekate
(90,686 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Jimmy Dean died in 2010.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)How was he feeding 600 pounds of men and one woman who was just a little bit chubby with just 16 ounces of sausage?
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Proof I'm a Northerner: I can't imagine them not needing two rolls even when they weighed 16 ounces!
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)we would have known. Is Mario Cuomo out of pocket? Gotta be someone who can pull at heart strings - AND knows how to get a message out.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)..but the sins of the son will overshadow him
Time to have Howard Dean step back in...
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)"I watched a small man with thick calluses on both hands work 15 and 16 hours a day. I saw him once literally bleed from the bottoms of his feet, a man who came here uneducated, alone, unable to speak the language, who taught me all I needed to know about faith and hard work by the simple eloquence of his example."
Mario Cuomo
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)In fact he is so venerated that my Dad and I refer to him as "Saint Mario." One of the greatest radio shows ever was a show called "Me and Mario" with the PoliSci Prof at SUNY New Paltz, Alan Chartock, and it was via this program that I learned to genuflect whenever I heard his name mentioned. The guy is solid.
His kid is a putz.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)it be great to hear a handful of up and coming Dems talk like M ?
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)He has more fire.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)With Scott Walker winning the governorship of Wisconsin, and perhaps instigating a major revolt there before next election, when he bankrupts the people there for their STUPIDITY in not voting him out, and then turns his back on them to run for president in 2016, people there will realize what mistake they made in voting out Feingold.
Perhaps he can leverage his Progressives United organization to really start reforming the processes that have been screwed up since Howard Dean was pushed out.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)It's like they didn't want to win.
Where the fuck were they? The message could have been so simple. Republicans obstruct. DESPITE their obstruction, Dems, with Obama at the helm, they got shit done. They should have run to Obama, with Obama and on his record. They should have said, give us the House, give us the Senate and we will get the job done.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)And Democrats are always ditzy or self-dividing. Every election I watch the same thing, and not from the politicians, but from ordinary Democrats whining about Dem politicians.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)They have to engage and give their constituents something to believe in and vote for.
Aside from that, even "whining" Dems vote and vote Dem. They are not the problem.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)and stop being the whiny, entitled babies we are. We put politicians in office. If we do what we've been doing, which is leave it up to the mythical gods, and imaginary wishes, we will continue under the scourge of Republicans, and all we have to do is look around at what's left of our country to see what Republican ideology has done.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)The most you can ask of a voter is to vote. This is just reality.
There are a small percentage who are active and will work their asses off to get the voters to vote. They work to get some voters to donate money. They even can win a few more over to work as well. But it takes a message from the top to motivate, coordinate and then get the voter to vote.
The voter is largely fixed in party affiliation and ideology. The candidate has to convince them to vote. It is simply not good enough to expect anyone to vote. You can't expect or demand it. It is not about a mythical god, it is about a candidate running a clear, smart and ambitious campaign to get people to vote.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)the Republicans spend their life TRASHING Democrats. And what do we do? Do we trash Republicans back? Nah. We expect *only*& politicians to do that. We sit comfortably at home and don't open our mouths. This is wimp behavior, and I'm just about at the end of my rope watching this BS year after year. And it's not something that happens on election day only. It happens every day of every year. I'm really sick of it.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Why do Dems not bash repubs? Because our candidates don't do it.
THis goes to my point. Dems are horrible at messaging, Repubs are good at it. It is the only thing they are good at.
We need stronger candidates who aren't afraid of the Democratic message and aren't afraid of calling repugs what they are.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)1. Republicans have a trashing machine like no other and spend 24/7 destroying Democrats in the public eye.
2. Democrats and other libs (NOT candidates) sit around listening to the Repukes, and muttering, "Wow, Republicans are right! That commercial against Obama is sooo true!" Etc.
3. Democrats and other libs do NOT become vocal against Republicans. They sit around wasting time and being silent.
4. The apathy and laziness of Democrats is felt nationwide, and Democratic politicians are quite aware that their own constituents don't give a sh*t and wouldn't back them if their lives depended on it.
5. Without STRONG support Democratic candidates will not have the strength to win, and will not even know which way to lean.
Republican candidates get STRONG and CONSTANT unwavering support from their constituents, something Democrats don't give their candidates - ever.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)The messaging, motivation and rallying comes from the candidate to the voters. The repubs may get strong support from their constituents, but that is because the republican party keeps the message focused (even is disgusting).
And even with the strong and constant constituent support, they don't always win elections. When Dems win, it is because the candidate and party generated support through their message.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)I've seen from libs in the past few decades, shocks the hell out of me, and I'm beyond sick of it. I'm embarrassed by it.
And again, you're wrong. Candidates will have no self-confidence, when their own constituents are lazy, catatonic, and often agreeing with the opposition, which is what I've witnessed for the past few decades.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Remember 2008? Obama was a helluva campaigner. That is why he won. He built the coalition, he generated the enthusiasm. You can't expect an average voter to be passionate about milquetoast.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)that lazy sort of "the-candidate-must-rouse-me-from-sleep-or-I-won't-show-interest" sort of zombie behavior.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)win a campaign.
Nay
(12,051 posts)the talking points and off they go. The pubs buy TV networks and broadcast their message 24/7. Same with radio.
Even as a small example here in my district race -- the pubs made sure that every possible house, intersection, business, and vehicle had plenty of pub signs and bumper stickers. Did the dems fan out, go to every registered dem and offer a sign and a bumper sticker?? Hell, no. I could have driven 50 miles and BOUGHT one for myself, but that's stupid. The pubs GIVE this shit away and plaster the whole state. They thus get "name recognition" in spades, and they make themselves look like the only game in town. THIS is how to do it, folks. And, for some reason, the dem 'leadership' refuses to acknowledge the reality that this is a propaganda war and all the rules of propaganda are in play. But they refuse to engage. Why is that, exactly? It's a question that has not been answered.
AleksS
(1,665 posts)1. Republicans have a trashing machine like no other and spend 24/7 destroying Democrats in the public eye.
5. Without STRONG support Democratic candidates will not have the strength to win, and will not even know which way to lean.
The rest not so much.
I believe in my heart of hearts that the 24/7/365 GOP propaganda machine (in the form of Fox and AM radio) does have an effect. If this crap is on at the mechanic, at the restaurant, at the laundromat, etc. it manages to permeate the culture. Even a non Fox-bot eventually will absorb enough of it to color their perceptions.
The trouble is, left leaning versions don't work. So the left gets its message out for 3-4 months every 2 years, meanwhile the right's message is being trumpeted from the treetops every damn day all the damn time.
The fact that Democrats can pull out a win in 2006, 2008, 2012, etc. in the face of that constant onslaught of hate, rage, and vitriol is a testament to how strong their platform really is.
Unfortunately, I don't have a solution. I'm sorry about that.
Nay
(12,051 posts)means of distributing propaganda and have used it for 30 years. The actual culture has been changed by this incessant propaganda and will not be changed back by the dems running some right-leaning centrists every few years.
We are at the point where we all will be swept up in some type of revolution, probably one that ushers fascism in for real. Most likely a religious fascism.
padfun
(1,786 posts)We do have some fire breathers here near the Capitol City, Sacramento, but this heavy union area has people who talk back to them. But then, the Dems are in solid control here. We do have some nuts, like Darrell Issa so it isn't completely clean here.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)You are officially the first DUer to blame "Democrats whining about Dem politicians" as opposed to the MYRAD OF REASONS they lost, not the least of which was THEY DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKING MESSAGE! Let's start there.
Oh, by the way, California hasn't finished voting yet so maybe you could wait about 32 more minutes for the West Coast to finish voting.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)The President has 200+ nominations (including Surgeon General) languishing without Senate Confirmation thanks to Sen. Reid.
Pelosi's "Impeachment is off the table" is always a classic.
SMDH
budkin
(6,703 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)And yes, I think it's time for a change in the DNC.
VenusRising
(11,252 posts)I miss Howard Dean.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)a brilliant strategist - but not pushy enough IMHO
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)You could see it on Hillary's face at the 2004 DNC convention. I'll never forget it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)They took his hard work and flushed it down the drain, replacing it with endlessly inane emails.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)The candidates didn't have the support they needed to run winning campaigns. We really need Howard Dean back.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)bad things happen. Libs around the country have to stop being so lazy, waiting for good things to magically fall on their laps.
Nay
(12,051 posts)LEADERSHIP. They couldn't get money, stump speeches, signs, nothing. They were left swinging in the wind. In a couple of egregious cases, the Obama administration visibly detracted from their own dem candidates! What are the dem voters supposed to think about this?? And WE the voters are all at fault for being lazy/whiny/wanting a pony?? Get real. We have NO effective leadership, no dem machine to broadcast the message, nothing. I have come to the conclusion that there IS no coherent message, and that the big players like things just the way they are. What other conclusion can I come to?
VenusRising
(11,252 posts)She was always a DLCer and rarely voted with the Dems when it mattered.
I've never liked her, and this really doesn't help. She went with the corporatists again.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)has always just seemed ineffectual to me. Being in business world - she reminds me of the squeaky wheel (could be male or female) that no one listens to and no one is influenced by.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Her job is to deliver wins. Failed.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)barbtries
(28,794 posts)the fucking press is leading the conversation. "we" could do every single thing right and it would not be reported that way. the press in this country is so owned, so owned. it's a self-fulfilling prophecy and "we" are not to blame. of course mistakes were made; one of the biggest imo is carrying on as if corporate media in this country - which is just about all of it including npr - is non-partisan. nope, nope, nope.
i am not taking the blame for it.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Jon Stewart and Colbert. Pretty pathetic.
I see the rest as super intellectually lazy.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)are just as lowbrow as Fox, with a different message. As you note, it's lazy to blame voters who have been bathed in Fox propaganda for 30 years.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)PAProgressive28
(270 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)They want people who take orders.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)When she said that it didn't matter if Scott Walker was recalled or not, she lost me.
jillan
(39,451 posts)[img][/img]
Excuse me Deb, but YOU ARE THE CHAIR OF THE DNC! Why didn't you push this talking point?
jillan
(39,451 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)spin that. Hey...we just kept NH
jillan
(39,451 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)For not backing Obama accomplishments.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)If Democrats around the country do not back their candidates (whether or not they adore them), this sort of thing will continue to happen. They'll end up isolated and not backed by their constituents.
Meanwhile, Republican politicians are backed by their constituents unwaveringly, and those politicians FEEL that backing.
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)In the midterm elections of his second term, George W. Bush lost the Senate.
In the midterm elections of his second term, Ronald Reagan lost the Senate.
In the midterm elections of his second term, Dwight D. Eisenhower lost the Senate.
In the midterm elections of Richard Nixon's second term, Gerald Ford lost the Senate.
In the midterm elections of his second term, Harry Truman very nearly lost the Senate.
In the midterm elections of his second term, Bill Clinton never had the Senate to begin with.
If we look to history, rather than to our fondest hopes as endlessly amplified in our echo chambers, losing the Senate was always the likeliest scenario this year.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)but with that knowledge, we seem to think that running the same old campaign would somehow work this time.
Perhaps a new strategy could have been used.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)world wide wally
(21,743 posts)Dems should have been running with the Prez and NOT away from him.
Now, if we can figure this out, why can't the candidates and party leaders?
Are we THAT much more brilliant than them?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)and underutilized totally.
But - it appears that everyone was "on their own" and acted independently - hell, even Obama condoned that "whatever they need to do." (not surprising since he is protecting his ego). this whole thing needed a brainiac to unify everyone.
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)decided we could never change
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)met a woman while canvassing who said she was voting for R's because democratic leadership had let her down. she seemed really concerned about inequality and I asked her if she thought that team R would be more likely to step up to the plate on this one.
while I do feel the some dems are not progressive enough, I don't think the correct response is to vote for less progressive candidates.
tblue37
(65,357 posts)was Howard Dean--so of course he got no respect from the "leaders" of the party, and of course Rahm Emanuel stole credit for the wins that Dean's 50--state strategy eked out for us.
Throd
(7,208 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)And openly supporting their R opponents.
Old Nick
(468 posts)That's for sure!
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)Buck stops there.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)They Republicans claim Obama is toxic. The Democrats believe them and run from them. We've been the party of "don't hurt me" for so long, everyone believes this to be the only strategy to win--yet it never works.
To the best of my recollection the rut started in the 80's when the Democrats kept running to the center to appease the "Reagan Democrats." A lot of falsehoods were set as "facts" in that decade.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)AleksS
(1,665 posts)Too true! This can't be said enough!
We need to stop believing every goddamn thing the GOP tells us. They lie.
They're a sinister version of Brer Rabbit.
Brer Republican: "Oh, no, I sure would hate it if you campaigned by running away from all the achievements Democrats have made in the last few years. That would be a sure way to beat me!"
Democrat: "Oh ho! You have outclevered yourself! I will campaign by running away from everything good Democrats have done for the people of our state and country for the last two years!"
Later
Democrat: (Caught in the briar patch of ignominious defeat.) "Oh my. How was I to ever know that the Brer Republican wasn't telling the truth!"
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)I see no reason to believe otherwise.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Mission Accomplished.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)you cannot attract young passionate people to the Democratic Party with these MBA friendly bean counters.
Beowulf42
(204 posts)Who or What the Fuck is DWS? There so little information. DWS could me Dumb Wasted Sot for all most of us know. Be clear about what you are writing about.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)maced666
(771 posts)no!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Her crap calls around MMJ pretty much sealed the deal.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)They have no loyalty to their own people when they're up for re-election.
The Republicans' poster child of a squeaky clean, wholesome, missionary-only-and-only-for-procreation,"never tasted a drink in my life or even said a curse word" preacher type is their ideal. Because the people like that don't ALWAYS vote straight party Repuke, right?
Ignore the unwashed masses.
It's so ridiculous.
It's not the '50s, people.
And those times were not so nice.
Eridenus
(52 posts)My soon-to-be-former Senator Udall was a member of the Turd Way. Ran on nothing but focusing on Gardner's personhood stance, and we get this asshole anyway.
It's time to dump the concept of the Third Way and go hard left. Differentiate from the Republicans and Tea Party batshit crazy motherfuckers that can't even do shit.
Just be thankful that it's a majority that still can't do shit and don't have the votes to throw Obama out even if he was impeached.
It's time to put in Sanders and Warren for 2016. That's the only way I'm going. No more corporatist Democrats, and that means Hillary is NOT the answer.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)has proud to be a liberal. when is the last time you heard anyone say that.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)Thanks a heap, DEBBIE. Job well done, DEBBIE.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)If there isn't, we should start one. WE should. WE ACTIVISTS. I don't feel like waiting for the usual suspects to do something sensible. WE should take it upon ourselves to do that. I'm gonna start agitating for it, that's for DAMN sure!
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Nobody forced Obama to hire Wall Street toadies like Summers instead of the populist Reich crowd. Nobody forced him to try to sneak the horrible corporate takeover plus trade agreement TPP by us via fast track. Obama is pro TPP, pro trade agreements. The happy clappy dems tend to ignore all this.
This after Clinton went along with doing away with Glass Steagall, letting deposit banks play casino again.
And it will be more of the same with Hillary as well unless she turns away from Wall Street and third way nonsense.
One more thing about achievements with the economy - who got those gains? Joan Walsh pointed that out this last weekend, how much of these gains did the non well off receive?
If I had my druthers we'd go with Elizabeth Warren or Bernie, real populist champions. But we'll go with another third way Clinton, I hope Warren and Sanders force her back to the left.
djean111
(14,255 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I've never been a fan of hers and I agree she's done a terrible job. Let's get someone in there who isn't in Congress who can be devoted to the job 24/7.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)n/t
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The Ruling Oligarchs want to see conservatives win. They will accept conservative Democrats but prefer Republicans.
There is a reason that Howard Dean was quietly run out of town. He wouldn't dance for the Ruling Oligarchs.
We don't have a chance until we recognize that our enemy is Conservatism and not Republicanism.
DWS will most likely get fired for effect but replaced with someone equally favored by the Conservative Oligarchs.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)She needs to be fired!
I'm sure she could get a job at the RNC after the great work she did for them yesterday!
Looks like being republican lite didn't work out to well for the party eh?
Erose999
(5,624 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...at least it'll be easier on the horse that way.
- And tell 'em to bring a swatter......
K&R
NuttyFluffers
(6,811 posts)the second best time is today.