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In Memoriam (Original Post) BigBearJohn Nov 2014 OP
we have had worse losses JI7 Nov 2014 #1
No we haven't heaven05 Nov 2014 #25
Stop blaming those of us that voted. antiquie Nov 2014 #30
I'm not blaming us who voted heaven05 Nov 2014 #32
Twice in that post. Please, antiquie Nov 2014 #33
You can read into my words heaven05 Nov 2014 #34
I am reading YOUR words, not into them. antiquie Nov 2014 #35
no I didn't proclaim heaven05 Nov 2014 #38
No, we have not. The Fascists are now in charge and they will ballyhoo Nov 2014 #36
That pretty much sums it up. Apparently it's what the people want, I guess, or allowed RKP5637 Nov 2014 #2
Couldn't have put it better myself! BigBearJohn Nov 2014 #5
yup MFM008 Nov 2014 #3
The death blow came in 2000, imo deutsey Nov 2014 #4
Yep, that is also IMO when the downward spiral began. Now, it's a series of patches. RKP5637 Nov 2014 #8
Way worse than 2010! Goddammit! nt wolfie001 Nov 2014 #6
I thought it was final stages of Alzheimer's rurallib Nov 2014 #7
RIP Liberalynn Nov 2014 #9
Just sickening. MoonRiver Nov 2014 #10
I'd date the begginning of the end in 1963 with the assassination of JFK mnhtnbb Nov 2014 #11
Yep. GoCubsGo Nov 2014 #19
I would say the USA is on life support and only riversedge Nov 2014 #12
Exactly what I was going to post TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #23
Well... RobinA Nov 2014 #27
I also agree with your comment. And riversedge Nov 2014 #37
Yeah, but we're gonna Cha Nov 2014 #13
hugs to you... handmade34 Nov 2014 #14
Hey~Aloha, handmade.. Cha Nov 2014 #17
No. It's only resting. MADem Nov 2014 #15
"The good die young" nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #16
PROBLEM IS: WE ARE ABOUT OUTTA TIME TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER drynberg Nov 2014 #18
Good luck with THAT idea in the next 2 years! JDDavis Nov 2014 #20
Yup, the crux of all that is fucked up. Native Nov 2014 #22
LOL I got sent this in 2008...guess it makes the rounds maced666 Nov 2014 #21
americans that voted heaven05 Nov 2014 #24
She's been dead since 2000. nt City Lights Nov 2014 #26
She Was Still RobinA Nov 2014 #29
There goes any retirement. SCVDem Nov 2014 #28
In All Fairness RobinA Nov 2014 #31
that was an heaven05 Nov 2014 #39
BOTTOM LINE: You can't fix STUPID! /nt BigBearJohn Nov 2014 #40
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
25. No we haven't
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:05 AM
Nov 2014

this was not just some mid term election. It was a referendum on how americans wanted their government run. With all of the known vote suppression laws put into place, the known agenda of the Reich wing in this country, shouted from the rooftops really, those americans that voted have run the ship of state into that proverbial ice burg. This ship of state is sinking and any help is TWO years away. We are all on that ship. Women and children first? With the voters, that voted, a MAJORITY have said in a loud and unequivocal voice, HELL NO!!!!!

 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
30. Stop blaming those of us that voted.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:23 AM
Nov 2014

Corporate money and gerrymandering are the problem. I can't believe you don't know that and are blaming "those of us that voted." That's worse than sad. So glad I live in California and you...

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
32. I'm not blaming us who voted
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:26 AM
Nov 2014

just those of us who didn't. A majority voted for what we got. Period. Don't attack me with BS. Please.

 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
33. Twice in that post. Please,
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:27 AM
Nov 2014

reread your post. The BS is not from me.

those americans that voted have run the ship of state into that proverbial ice burg

With the voters, that voted, a MAJORITY have said in a loud and unequivocal voice,

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
34. You can read into my words
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:39 AM
Nov 2014

what you please. No concern of mine. "A MAJORITY of Reich wing voters have voted for what we Democrats received in this election. Those Democrats who did not vote are to blame for the Reich wing MAJORITY being victorious. Same gerrymandered districts were in place in 2012, no real big difference. The Democratic Party has money, where was our television ad blitz? I did not see it. Period. Your anger is misplaced. No more to be said by me. I'm glad you're in California also. bye bye

 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
35. I am reading YOUR words, not into them.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:44 AM
Nov 2014

"americans that voted have proclaimed that only a Reich wing government will be tolerated"

I did not proclaim that. You did.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
38. no I didn't proclaim
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:27 AM
Nov 2014

Last edited Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:13 PM - Edit history (1)

voting democrats asked for what we have to deal with for the next two years. First no fighting the redistricting by our leadership. None. No fighting the voter suppression machinations, not verbal umbrage, anything on a national level. I stood and sat in my car and drove and drove again and again by my polling place yesterday. Heavily democratic area, only white males with snyder written all over them were voting in steady numbers. The only victory we had is a new Senator with a (D) otherwise VERY light turnout and 90% of the local people winning in local races have an (R) by their name. Parking area, never a lot of cars. Okay I apologize if my words could be construed as me saying the voting Democrat caused this ship of state to start sinking. We tried to grab the wheel yesterday and turn this ship. People who are democrats and said, "oh we are okay, we are heading in the right direction and did not try to turn this ship(get off their asses and pull the democratic party lever) are just as responsible for this sinking ship as any tea partier, reich wing idealog, racist, homophobe who voted to install a reich wing Senate and House of Representatives. Some women, some minorities in my area, but mainly old and young white males. WE DID NOT VOTE IN THE NUMBERS we are capable of, there is the purpose of my words...............not blaming any democrat that voted. Sorry I could be misconstrued. My fault.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
36. No, we have not. The Fascists are now in charge and they will
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:57 AM
Nov 2014

change things to keep themselves in power going forward. And one of their own will be the next president. And I don't mean Jeb Bush.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
2. That pretty much sums it up. Apparently it's what the people want, I guess, or allowed
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:55 AM
Nov 2014

themselves to be propagandized into with no brains engaged. Let's see, apparently they want more takeover by corporate America, a reduction in healthcare, more wars, an increase in the MIC, even less rights for women, lots more guns, possibly an attempt at impeachment, maybe even full removal of ACA, a reduction in civil rights and lots of hostilities and probably another financial meltdown. I guess the strategy of some democrats kicking Obama around really worked well for them, that is, for the republicans.


deutsey

(20,166 posts)
4. The death blow came in 2000, imo
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:10 AM
Nov 2014

Everything's been on life support since, with fleetingly rare signs of recovery every now and then.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
8. Yep, that is also IMO when the downward spiral began. Now, it's a series of patches.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:32 AM
Nov 2014

And sadly, it seems, the majority of Americans are clueless as they are devoured more and more, embrace the downward spiral and seem to want more and more of less.

rurallib

(62,415 posts)
7. I thought it was final stages of Alzheimer's
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:32 AM
Nov 2014

first diagnosed in 1980 with a major and irreversible setback in 2000 led by 5 close relatives. (Scalia, Thomas et al.)

mnhtnbb

(31,388 posts)
11. I'd date the begginning of the end in 1963 with the assassination of JFK
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:44 AM
Nov 2014

followed by Bobby and MLK. Then, somehow, the rise of Reagan to sainthood
when everything he did and stood for started the country swirling down the
toilet. The stolen elections of 2000 and 2004, supported by a Supreme Court
willing to stop counting the votes meant the country was doomed. Obama
never had a chance. He thought he could negotiate with the power mad
oligarchy, intent on making themselves richer without regard to what that
would mean for the rest of the country. Obama was wrong.

I do feel as though someone has died: as though a dear friend lost the battle to cancer,
which spread so far and wide that it finally took over and killed the host.

Indeed, RIP, the Republic. Old Ben Franklin was right.

riversedge

(70,220 posts)
12. I would say the USA is on life support and only
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:47 AM
Nov 2014

a series of events will bring her around. I am not ready to say she is dead.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
23. Exactly what I was going to post
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:50 AM
Nov 2014

I'm not giving up!

It's normal to lose at this cycle. For those of us who are older, we remember. It sucks when it's our loss, but it's not the end of the world.

It just seems like it.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
27. Well...
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:13 AM
Nov 2014

I am somewhat older and I think it gets scarier and scarier. Maybe it's as I get closer to retirement, maybe I just see us getting deeper and deeper into a hole. Maybe for me it is that even after this economic disaster people still prefer what caused the disaster. Or worse, don't understand what caused the disaster. Every lost cycle just takes away a little more hope, because some things should transcend the cycle.

riversedge

(70,220 posts)
37. I also agree with your comment. And
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:01 AM
Nov 2014

here in Wisconsin--Gov Walker just won his 3rd term (count the failed recall). It just seems bad right now...."Every lost cycle just takes away a little more hope, because some things should transcend the cycle."

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
18. PROBLEM IS: WE ARE ABOUT OUTTA TIME TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:34 AM
Nov 2014

Even if we chose the correct choices for energy, economics, taking care of less fortunate, etc. I seriously am in doubt that we can "right our ship of state" (or that of our planet...even more gruesome) Yes, I say with the timing of this election, it is the worst. So, what can we do? I say, get the wagons in a circle, and plan for an ass kicking election in two years...but first we gotta change campaign financing and I mean NOW.

 

JDDavis

(725 posts)
20. Good luck with THAT idea in the next 2 years!
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:45 AM
Nov 2014

With the Supreme's and two houses of Congress all in the hands of Republican majorities, all wanting to keep the system of dark money that the campaign finance laws helped bring those Republican victories last night, and with the Supreme's allowing the restrictive Texas voter ID law to stay in place, I say, GOOD LUCK trying to get a change to campaign financing.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
24. americans that voted
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:51 AM
Nov 2014

have proclaimed that only a Reich wing government will be tolerated. Not liberal, not progressive, hell not even centrist. The only 25 watt bulb shining in this is, Obama is still at the helm? RIP indeed!!!!

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
29. She Was Still
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:20 AM
Nov 2014

(theoretically) savable at 2000. 2000 was the moment of flatline - blinking lights, alarms blaring, even a terrain warning screaming in the background - that required an immediate and strong response. Nothing happened, so the patient expired.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
28. There goes any retirement.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:15 AM
Nov 2014

The goal posts will be moved back again and I'm afraid I will need an Oregon retirement when I can't work any more.

The American Dream, shot to hell since 2006.

Thanks, right wing bastards!


RobinA

(9,893 posts)
31. In All Fairness
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:24 AM
Nov 2014

I think the American dream died in 1980, with the burial being whatever year Reagan fired the air traffic controllers.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
39. that was an
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:31 AM
Nov 2014

important milestone. No doubts. Hell raygun's election started this landslide we experienced yesterday.

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