To everyone who has stated we need to flush the party of 3rd way
candidates.. that we would do better if we had candidates that were tracking more to the left..that moderates are the bane of the party and have diffused our message....all I can say as some little poll watcher and phone caller for the local party is where the heck are these better candidates that you keep telling us we need to run..???
Think about the 1000's of offices locally, state wide, federally that we try to fill.. Where are these better candidates that you keep saying we need to put in place?..
My friends we run who we have.. and if there is a secret stash of these great left tracking candidates.. Please share..
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We can Warren- and Sanders-ize this country in no time using the FSogol Method!
That's the ticket.
We hear it all the time, yet when you asked the question "where are they" all you get is silence, or the run-around. I think the biggest problem is that even those who say we need better candidates would never be able to agree on what that person should be for. I don't think they could find someone who has all the qualities they each wan't in a candidate. There seems to be a huge following of some of the more outspoken posters who "think" we have to get rid of the so called 3rd way crowd, which is every candidate they don't like, yet I bet they could never all agree on the "right one" that would fit all their needs. There is no perfect candidate.
I think what we see here is the follow the crowd mentality. People follow their favorite poster, and complain day in and day out, yet can't find the answers to question when asked "where are these perfect candidates"! 
You asks a great question, but I don't think you will ever hear real answer.
probably scream an accusation of 3rD-way BS.
Can't fix 
Yep I hit spell check and apparently it passed.. I am a horrible speller.. not one of my gifts that is for sure
But lots of good that does helping someone get elected who will only talk about guns and abortion rights because they are afraid to tell voters they support raising the retirement age and keeping the carried interest loophole open. Apparently Anthony Brown lost the MD governor's race in part - at least according to exit polls - because he refused to talk about the economy. I just heard that on C-SPAN radio. Not. Helpful.
Nice to chat with you!
The only exceptions are near mythical dead Democrats: FDR, Truman, Kennedy
Or the chosen ones: Kucinich, Warren, Sanders (who I suspect if they managed to get into power would be thrown under the bus quicker than I could shout authoritarian!)
All those Republican votes after his own party abandoned him ... not. 
he emphatically said "opposition candidates" - Dewey, Wallace and Thurmond - no room for interpretation there. 
mortal people as Demi-Gods of purity. Of course, it you read the old papers, each was criticized as much or more than Obama and each has "oops" moments such as the internment camps for the Japanese, the extension of the security state, and the Bay of Pigs.
On a personal level, no family benefited more than mine from the New Deal. Our family came here as dirt poor Irish and both grandfathers did a stint in the CCC. One grandfather went on to be a State Senator and was a convention delegate for each Democratic nominee from Truman to Carter. Without the New Deal, I wouldn't have the luxury to spend my idle time drinking microbrews and arguing on web forums, so, I really don't need shaming lectures from someone who missed my point.
and I know exactly how long moderate and conservative Democrats have been advising the rest of us to shut up about real progressive values like universal healthcare, fair trade, closing Guantanmo, restoring the 4th Amendment by repealing the USA PATRIOT Act, and taxing the rich to pay for more infrastructure and public services, because if we don't shut up, we'll "repress the vote," and don't we know that people don't care about those things "only pro-Business Democrats can get elected." Well, Tuesday's vote goes to show (AGAIN) that pro-Business Democrats like Pryor, Udall, Warner, and Landrieu aren't in fact all that popular. We need to be better Democrats to get elected, not kinder, gentler Republicans.
If we on DU want to have productive discussions about this I suggest one place to begin is to stop telling progressives that "we" think anyone who isn't Warren or Sanders is "third way." "We" don't think that. And if you want to know what we think, ask.
We happen to be losing to of the best, smartest, and most progressive Dems of the late 20th Century and early 21st Century as of the end of this year, Henry Waxman and George Miller. Neither is "perfect" and neither gets much mention or credit on this website for their accomplishments and efforts over the years. Both have accomplished much more than Warren or Sanders have. But to those who mock progressivism as "naive" or "idealistic" or "vote respressing," why bother to learn about who progressive heroes are or what they have accomplished?
By the way, the list is easy to find, just search for the Congressional Progressive Caucus!
controlled by Democrats, a lot easier to do "real things", right?
and getting elected! Money has, indeed, soiled the process and will continue to do so the more people refuse to do their civic duty and vote, imo.
Thanks so much for this.
If your positions actually held sway with far more voters, the political parties that appear to accurately reflect your positions would either have more candidates or the Democratic party itself would move farther to the left to attract voters like yourself.
However, your complaint is an implicit admission of my prior point, that the far, far left positions many here espouse have never really been part of the Democrat Party platform, and those hated and conservative and moderate Democrats are actually much more representative of the Democratic Party, and actually capable of winning elections, than those here who constantly complain.
and his support of the "No Labels" movement? It's the "Lets work together to throw grandma and grandpa into the cold" movement. My wife and I voted for him but it wasn't without reservation. I've emailed his office numerous times and never get a response back. I've called his office and they don't care about whatever concern I have. Before I was moved to Schrader's district due to redistricting, I was in Blumenauer's. His office would respond with emails or letters. The same goes for Senators Merkley and Wyden.
Here's a list of his stance on budget issues. 
Schrader won 53.7% to 39.3%.
Third way is a miserable failure, just let moderates run that don't owe their souls to Goldman Sachs and we will be fine. This crap about the evil left is pathetic. The Left votes MORE than moderates or conservative Dems...but facts seem to get in the way of fauxrage around here it seems. It seems the people that made up the "left wants a pony" vote LESS than liberals.
