General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJon Stewart describes Democratic Party’s midterm strategy as ‘D*ckless H. Chickensh*t’
Jon Stewart said on Thursdays Daily Show that Democrats midterm election strategy, flawed as it was, had historical roots.
Its a well-known political maneuver known as the Chickensh*t Gambit, Stewart explained sarcastically. Its named, of course, for D*ckless H. Chickensh*t who, when he was asked whether he supported the Emancipation Proclamation, famously said, Huh? What? Huh? and then had to pretend to be hard of hearing for the rest of his life.
Senate Democrats, Stewart said, tried to play a cynical game leading up to Tuesdays midterm elections: they got President Barack Obama to agree with their strategy of holding off on votes regarding issues like immigration reform and the Keystone XL pipeline so that they could score political points by either ripping the issue or ripping Obama for the delay.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/jon-stewart-describes-democratic-partys-midterm-strategy-as-dckless-h-chickensht/
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)they say oh well we will just keep our mouth shut and we'll get 'em in 2016 and guess what they will get their ass kicked then because Democrats are about to nominate a candidate that eats from the same trough (Corporate campaign finance) as do the the real Republicans that actually declare their party.
liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)KG
(28,751 posts)they got stomped and nobody lost their jobs or has the dignity to resign.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Because once you are out as a politician you can then go make some real money as a lobbyist or sit on the board of some big company and make some real money.
You are unlikely to see one of those who lost fall into poverty.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The Democratic leadership works for the same Ruling Oligarchs as the Republicans.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)when the TPP gets fast-tracked right up our nose?
HoosierCowboy
(561 posts)With few exceptions they could be described as "Invertebrate DINOS for Business as Usual".
Candidates that couldn't stand up for basic principles of the Party and the President shouldn't get Democratic votes, that simple.
Most were elected in 2008 on Obamas coat tails in states not typically Democratic to begin with. Most voted with republicans while in office.
This was a culling of the Invertebrate DINOS.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I don't get why people think Democrats can get elected by pretending to not be Democrats.
People aren't stupid, and voters aren't blind.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)At least at the national level.
dawg
(10,624 posts)and criticize Senator Chickenshit and the people who voted him into office. But you should have seen the guy who was running against him. Chickenshit was clearly the lesser of the two evils.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)Mass
(27,315 posts)Party assessment of the defeat: voters are stupid. This is going to help a lot in 2016.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)As democrat member of this party and a supporter of this party, it is time for this party to admit, that sometimes the politics has to take a back seat and you run on your accomplishments and the future accomplishments.
Our core values are to help people whenever we can and we need those individuals that will say what those accomplishments are to win, not every time, but you win.
We have got to learn to use or core values as a tactic ( Francis Perkins comes to mind in the FDR presidency and before) coupled with the fact what will happen if a republican gets into office, and that is to start in your city council, school boards, mayors, state legislature, governor , and then onto the federal level.
Maddow showed a statistic last night that was shocking, there are over 3,658 or more legislatives bodies in this country that are republican majority owned and its getting bigger, and on the democratic side it was less than 300, what does that tell you.
The trees are there we are standing in the forest letting this happen.
Gilbert , Arizona is the most conservative city in America and that town had three tea party hypocrites that were going or still in the process, going to rip pages out of a Biology book because it has abortion in the pages, this last election night those three board members were thrown out of office.
When people see what the issue is and what it really means we can win
Stewart is right in his observation of how democrats have become feckless, they have let the republican fear and hate machine dictate the terms, they go on shows that are so partisan already that when you have another republican debating with the democrat on the show the question is always geared to the republican response as being positive every time. Tweety's (Hardball) show is a prime example .
The democrat when in these formats should stay on message this is what we have done, what has your opponent done, nothing except spread fear and hate on everything, they have no answer, when challenged, none
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Its enough to make one wonder: In the year 2014, can a major American city begaspconservative? If you believe the results of a recent study from a couple of academic researchers at MIT and UCLA, youd do well to look to the Southwest to find out. Mesa, Arizona, the researchers found, after analyzing more than a decades worth of public opinion surveys, is the most conservative American city of more than 250,000 residents, more conservative than such famously right-wing bastions as Oklahoma City and Colorado Springs. On an overall basis, says the boisterous Scott Smith, who was mayor of Mesa from 2008 until early this year, theres no doubt its extremely conservative.
It might also be a glimpse of the GOPs coming urban revival.
Squint, and you can see that Mesa is just one of several places where Republicans are creating a new model of conservatism for the post-Tea Party era, through an appealing blend of fiscal pragmatism and no-nonsense competence. Across the country, Republican cities are building new infrastructure and even embracing trendy liberal ideas like new urbanismall while managing to keep costs in line and municipal workforces small and cost-effective. As the great, Democratic-run cities across the countryChicago, Detroit, Los Angelesface fiscal calamity, Americas conservative cities are showing that theres another way.
Most of Mesa, despite its growing population of more than 450,000 (making it more populous than Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Miami and Minneapolis) hardly feels like a city at all. Located some 20 miles east of Phoenix, Mesa sprawls in every direction; at nearly 140 square miles, it covers roughly twice the area of Washington, D.C.
Mesas sprawling layout owes much to its history. The area began its modern existence as a Mormon settlement in the late 19th century, and it remained a small frontier community for much of its early years. The towns population only broke into five digits in the 1940s, when fighter pilots began training for World War II combat at Mesas Falcon Field and the Williams Air Force Baseand, equally crucial, when air conditioning became widely available. Because it only really began to grow quickly in the 1940s and 50s, Mesa followed the classic postwar development pattern most famously embodied by Levittown, New York: miles of modest, single family homes in subdivisions, wide boulevards meant for speedy driving and shopping centers boasting ample parking. In sum, the bulk of Mesa is quintessentially suburban. As former mayor Smith puts it, Mesa attracts those who think being boring is OK.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/mesa-arizona-are-conservative-cities-better-111069.html#ixzz3IOQAEqbw
Luckily redistricting helped the portion of Mesa I live in by represented by a Dem. The most common Mesa complaint is that it is boring.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)running for office & representing the people on ego or politics alone is porous. most people can see right through the facade. unless you are like the repugs who lie, cheat, obfuscate & bribe.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Now, we just do it for them. Willingly.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:18 PM - Edit history (1)
The blowback from Obama delaying immigration reform until after the election pissed off a whole LOT of Hispanics in my area, which I'm convinced, lowered the turnout among Hispanics in this last election. Andy why? To appease a few politicians from the Gut-Red South and . . . THEY ALL LOST! You want to tell me how that Third-Way strategy is workin' out for ya again, or better yet, why we should move farther to the right (yes, people are actually suggesting this on DU)?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)We should just have one. Think of all the money that can be saved from not having to run campaigns!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)Strength there would be a lot more effectual in significant numbers than in the White House.
Congress controls the budgets, folks.
kentuck
(111,103 posts)...saying that he did not vote Tuesday? He said he was busy moving to another state.
Later, that night, he said he was being flip and apologized and said indeed he did vote on Tuesday.
But it was on right-wing radio which I listen to when I am driving. It helps keep me alert.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)A very bad place to make such a joke without immediately saying "I'm joking!"
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)party and those we put forth as our "leaders".
Fuck all of them. Fucking chickenshits.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)taking the reins of far too many campaigns in the future.
JEB
(4,748 posts)( immigration, economy, fairness, clean environment etc.) much more than political gamesmanship. Fucking stand up for something. If they need a role model, look at Bernie Sanders.
Why should a voter get out of bed and go to the poll if nothing is going to change and nothing is going to get done?
Stand up for something, or you find yourself out of a job.
The GOP is pressing forward with lawsuits against ACA and abortion and getting stopping gay marriage. What are our leaders doing? Anything? Just more 15th level chess?
Shoonra
(523 posts)It was truly shameful how so many Democratic candidates (and incumbents seeking re-election) distanced themselves from, and even denounced, Pres. Obama.
Now that the Democrats still in Congress are mostly ornamental and ineffectual, it would serve them right if Obama distanced himself from them and embraced the Republican leadership as warmly as can be managed.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Appearing in Philly (Temple U.) just before the election Wolf and Obama had a rousing welcome.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Is it just me or does he look increasingly worn down and grumpy.
I just hope, HOPE, that some of that weariness is an inner realization that his third way (more like 4th way) approach and shutting out the progressive wing of his party may have been a huge mistake. Together with his negotiation method of card playing of folding before one round had happened in hopes that the other side would throw him a chip or two, his catering to Wall Street and protecting them from prosecution, his appointments to high positions going to Republicans, his decision to only listen to corporate shills for advice in his inner circle from Rahm on down, and his laziness or fear of using the bully pulpit to explain the very real benefits of things like the ACA, flawed though it is.
One of the greatest orators in the line of Presidents ever seemingly refused to take advantage of it to actually explain his and fellow Democrats accomplishments. I'm sure I'm not alone in having much higher expectations of having a real communicator-in-chief for a CHANGE, after that brilliant "no blue states, no red states, but the United States" speech in the convention before he ran, and also the many great speeches he gave in his actual run and then the awesome election night acceptance speech.
As Bernie Sanders said:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/217668-sanders-obama-should-use-bully-pulpit-more
Speaking on NBCs Meet the Press, Sanders said while the president has done some very good things and the level of obstructionism that he has had to face has been unprecedented, Obama shouldve been more aggressive in using the bully pulpit.
I think he shouldve understood from day one that the Republicans were not going to cooperate with him. I think he shouldve gone to the people in a more aggressive way and issued a call to action for supporters of the minimum wage increase to descend on Washington, he said.
He just cant sit in a room and negotiate with people who refuse to negotiate, Sanders added.
If he had been more "aggressive" in that way, even DINO Dems would have had to think twice about slagging him in their own ridings.
navarth
(5,927 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)during the press conference was hanging around his shoulders. they flicked him off like a booger and they couldn't do it fast enough. fucking cowards. did they even once stop to think about the people who elected them?
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)K and R
samsingh
(17,599 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)Or her truly disgusting non thinking and following orders from some idiotic fucker.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)and embraced everything Obama did, do you seriously think she would've won?
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)losing with honor is better than losing as a coward.
does no one remember this shit anymore?
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)have been the dem candidate. furthermore, i agree with rachel maddow. something fishy about the polls showing her ahead of mitch only a few days before the election and then poof! he wins by such a large margin.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)Coup d'etat, everyone is in it, except us.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Should have embraced Kynect which is popular in Kentucky but avoid calling it "Obamacare".
The Midway Rebel
(2,191 posts)In my area the Democrats got swift boated by their association with Obama and they just played along and did nothing to fight back and own the administration's success and hit back with the GOP obstructionism.
Township75
(3,535 posts)After he results are in and he has 20-20 hindsight? Don't watch him so don't know.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)FYI
Township75
(3,535 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)And sometimes it's absolutely right on.
What exactly do you expect of him? I forgot your question/angst.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Dr. Dean back please? I'm truly thinking of leaving the party, and I've been a stalwart for decades now.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)He said that he had recently moved. and that he didn't have time to register to vote.