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President Barack Obama during a news conference in the East Room of the White House in Washington,
November 5, 2014. (Photo: Doug Mills / The New York Times)
Reaping the Whirlwind, Again
By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout | Op-Ed
Friday 07 November 2014
I am tired. I am tired of speech
and of action. In the heart of me
you will find a tiny handful of
dust. Take it and blow it out
upon the wind. Let the wind have
it and it will find its way home.
- Tennessee Williams
Here in rural New Hampshire, in this town without a traffic light, with a population so small that it would have trouble filling a Pop Warner football stadium, the old folks came out to vote in force on Tuesday.
We vote here at the Community Center on Main Street, an old clapboard building with a coat of white paint that remembers the Eisenhower administration. It has wheelchair access, and thank God for it, because squadrons of elderly voters on Tuesday went through the long endurance required in order to simply leave the house, and came out, and made it inside the polling place, and got their ballots, and cut their chosen "X" through the provided spaces, and slipped their ballot into the box, and left the way they came: proud voters, each wearing an "I Voted" sticker that announced they had done their duty.
I am world-weary enough at this point to swallow my tongue when I witness this kind of phenomenon first-hand while reading about how national turnout for Tuesday's midterm elections was historically low. When the President of the United States gave a press conference the day after an electoral wipeout of historic proportions to basically apologize for even feigning to represent the things that inspired people to vote for him in the first place, I didn't blink. People for whom voting requires half a day's hard effort showed up to cast their ballots, while the President could not summon the will to explain why his party might deserve their vote, and I refused to be surprised or astonished or disappointed.
Par for the course.
Hell, I called it on the third of October. "Come November," I wrote at the time, "if the Democrats wind up flopping and flailing for an explanation as to why they got routed at the polls, let me offer a succinct reply: You stand for nothing. You are the Washington Generals to the Harlem Globetrotters. Everyone expects you to go down to defeat, because you always lay down, because you are paid to do so. It doesn't have to be that way, but that's the way it is. When the midterms eat you alive, remember what I said. When you stand for nothing, you get nothing in return."
(snip)
We managed here, with the geriatric squad being the only crew with the requisite number of damns to give in order to summon the will to actually raise their hands on the most important day of the year, to jettison the unendurable political herpe that is Scott Brown. Maggie Hassan likewise managed to hold the governorship. It's a hell of a thing when New Hampshire comes off as the liberal whackadoo state that actually votes for people who intend to govern. Go figure.
I'm really glad the DCCC sent out those thousands of doom-and-gloom fundraising emails over the last couple of months. You know, the ones that said "It's over" and "Don't bother" and "TRAGIC NEWS" and the like. That really seemed to do the trick, yeah? I hate to quote myself again, but I'm going to: "Here's a memo to whoever came up with this particularly obnoxious fundraising tactic: You suck. I hope you get fired with such velocity that you can't even get a job drowning puppies in a kill shelter."
(snip)
The environment. The wars. The economy. The living and the dead, and the damned besides. We are not our brother's keeper, despite all the strident oratory that would have us believe this nation actually stands for something beyond bedrock greed, lazy coddled indolence, and bluejeans on the cheap. That much, at least, was proven on Tuesday.
"God is a comedian," said H.L. Mencken, "playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." The old folks here in rural New Hampshire came out on Main Street to vote on Tuesday. Most of the rest of the country couldn't be bothered, or weren't given a reason, or were denied the chance, and we will all reap the whirlwind because of it, again. So it goes.
The rest: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/27300-reaping-the-whirlwind-again
Autumn
(45,108 posts)Yep. So it goes.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)First Speaker
(4,858 posts)If not for you, and the estimable Mr Pierce, I think I'd have fled into the wilderness long ago, carrying a "The World is Coming to an End" sign with me...and it may yet come to that...
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Figuring that out is so important, we started doing it months ago ... and we won't stop.
After all, that was far more important than preventing the GOP from gaining control.
The two parties are the same anyway, and fortunately, we still have our principles.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)that says and does absolutely nothing except calls for more status quo and the maintenance of proven losing strategy. Off to ignore.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I live in NC. Sadly, not a liberal Utopia like where the OP lives.
I worked hard trying to get Kay Hagan elected. Was that wrong?
Yes or no?
Is NC the same as New Hampshire, Mass, NY, Texas?
See, from what I can tell, the OP thinks all the states are basically the same place. They aren't.
also ... I love when folks feel they need to announce that they are putting some one on ignore ... its probably one of the lamest acts one can perform on the internet ...
.... just do it. I find that passive aggressive kind of attack hilarious.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)what happened was voter fraud and the disenfranchised, and Citizens United. I worked hard for Hagan, also. I believe Mr. Pitt is fed up with the Dems weak performance. Did we take to the streets in protest? No, except for the Moral Mondays. Frankly I was surprised that the media finally mentioned it! We need to do something about our MSM and Citizens United.
By the way, Mr. Pitt is very well informed and knew where the country was heading after Bush was elected. His books are great and I respect his opinions.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)It and Maine are both very Republican. Not so much teabaggery style though.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)very hard.
But the point as I see it, is the Leadership in the Democratic Party, including the president, don't stand for shit. They are happy if they get to keep their parking spots. How many stood up and said that we need single payer health insurance????? How many??? How many stood up and said we need to end fricking fracking??? How many? 78% of Americans are against fracking. How many Democratic candidates took advantage of that??
What did Democrats run on?? "If you vote for me, I promise not to make the Republicans mad."
Maybe I am wrong but let's see if Pres Obama gets down and begs the Conservative Senate to please pass his TPP. Maybe he will compromise and give them a Chained CPI.
And then we have H. Clinton-Sachs waiting in the wings. Anxious to give Goldman-Sachs a big bailout. Can you spell Quid Pro Quo???
tomp
(9,512 posts).....LOOKING LIKE they're on our side!
ladyVet
(1,587 posts). . . including the president, don't stand for shit."
This is it in a nutshell.
What exactly were we supposed to vote for? The old "Democrats aren't as bad as Republican" thing has gotten so old. The words we hear are different, but the policies turn out to be the same. I'm tired of being frightened and threatened into voting for people who don't even bother to follow the party platform, simply because they aren't repukes, even when they are.
The way I see it, NC will deserve what it gets now. I suspect we'll keep McCrory in two years. Then we'll get even more of what we deserve. Some of us tried to do the right thing, but we'll suffer right along with the idiots who voted for this.
But I did my part. I held my nose and voted for candidates that were basically useless. We didn't even have a Democrat (or anybody) to run against the crooked Republican sheriff. The one who's been investigated seven ways from Sunday. Why was that?
The same goes for the entire country if we don't get somebody more progressive in the president's office. Somebody with the guts to stand up for what's right, not what fills their pockets. Slightly left of the Teabaggers isn't good enough.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)but remains far better than the blindness many cling to.
You know how it is -- those who refuse to use history as a guide usually wind up with their asses fried.
In this case it's a matter of dems stupidly putting the cart ahead of the donkey, insomuch as they failed to feed and water the poor thing for the arduous journey and now wanna whip it for not being up to the task...
2banon
(7,321 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)was our duty. To hell with a reason. People fought and died for us to be able to vote. Reason enough.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)*sigh*
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)civic duty is a symptom of self-entitlement.
Nay
(12,051 posts)juveniles for that attitude. It's endemic, actually.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Watched a video of college students that couldn't name our current VP or which country we won our independence from. They also didn't know who won the Civil War. College students.
2banon
(7,321 posts)I just wish it were so..
tragic.
Rex
(65,616 posts)for the benefit of the ownership society.
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." - Karl Rove
2banon
(7,321 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I've voted every election since 2002 (missed 2000 due to being born late). And with the exception of one judge (he was Alaskan Independence party, back in 2002. I don't remember why) and one city council member (Kshama Sawant) it's been straight Democrats. And this is what I've picked up over that admittedly brief span of time.
No matter who I vote for, my nation will forever strive to massacre multitudes of brown people somewhere far away
No matter who I vote for, my nation will forever support other nations doing the same.
No matter who I vote for, education policy will revolve around purging teacher unions and letting Texas write textbooks
No matter who I vote for, petroleum will be subsidized until the last well runs dry.
No matter who I vote for, the police will be militarized.
No matter who I vote for, neoliberal economics will be enshrined in policy
No matter who I vote for, it seems that Republicans win
So like I said, I've voted consistently. Like you after all, I learned that voting was a duty, and that men and women paid for the right with their lives.
But
It's become clear that while I may have this duty to participate... that's all it is. Participation
Put that one on the shelf!
Essentially, I van vote and vote and vote, and all I get are the same policies no matter who wins. You might be content to have platitudes and frames, but i prefer substance. and the substance I'm getting for my endeavor is pro-corporate, anti-worker, pro-war, anti-education, pro-fossil lobby, anti-environment policies that revolve around the desires of wealthy and upper middle-class white men of the Baby Boomer generation. Which if you couldn't tell, is not what I want.
No matter who wins, I lose. This is despite my efforts to push liberals to the general election. This is despite my votes for the most liberal people on those general ballots. Despite my calls and letters. It's exceedingly difficult to look at the votes I have made, the effort I have spent, and not call it a waste of time.
And the only thing that makes be different from average, is that I'm apparently insane;
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Most other people see that they get the same result no matter who wins, and they decide to not participate at all. They don't get their little sticker, but they probably don't mind the lack too much.
What is the worth of voting, when there are no choices worth voting for? Where no matter how the vote swings, you get hte same scripted policy? And that policy is formed to screw you, the voter, over as hard as it can?
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Excellent post, succinctly put. and LOVE the ribbon!
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)that you and many in your generation see the reality. Yes, it's bad. Every bit as bad as you say. Yes, these negative directions are deeply entrenched in our socio-political sphere now. Yes, the forces against all the things we care about are strong and should never be underestimated. You have expressed the issues well in what you wrote here. You have not been wasting time. You have been learning how huge is the job ahead, and how necessary.
Us older ones who also get it--we sincerely hope you will help us dig out of this pit. We need fresh ideas. We need your energy and vision for a different future. Don't buy the generational divide thing--that plays into our opposition's goals. We all need to pull together. We need every one who sees how hard it is and still refuses to give up. Whatever you can do to stay in it, stay in. Find strength. There is more to come.
Well said. Keep talkin
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)vote these things can get worse. We have not seen the worst yet. But we might this time around. Who knows. I did my duty - I tried to stop it - I will fight even now for the change I want. But it will not get any better if I look away and ignore it.
Many of you who are younger have lived most of your life in R rule. And you do not remember that it can be better. The signed picture on my wall is FDR and though it was not perfect back then I want the rest of you to know what having hope is really about. I thought that was what we were getting with President Obama. For whatever reason that did not pan out as well as I hoped. But the gains we did make now stand in danger of repeal. This election did not take us closer to correcting the mess it just made a bigger mess.
If no one suppresses my vote next time I will vote again because if I do not I am to blame.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)exactly.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)We can participate, but our influence is zero, a fiction, when both parties already serve other interests.
That's what the Princeton study meant.
Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)the Democratic Party MUST embrace a progressive leader such as Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders, if we are to go forward. We simply cannot afford to sacrifice the Party on the altar of Third-Way Hillary.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)arikara
(5,562 posts)I've felt the same since I started voting in 1973. Sometimes I think its no use and why bother because the results have more often than not ranged from somewhat disappointing to a kick in the gut.
But in the end there is always a spark of hope, and I always vote. I really feel badly for you younger people though, and the mess the world is in now.
tomp
(9,512 posts)everything else you said is spot on. you have learned everything you need to know about american politics. and, as you imply, the question is, as Lenin said, "What is to be done?"
edit: the purpose of the democratic party is to fool people into thinking there is s difference. whatever comes out of the political process is agreed upon by both parties.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)even in the primaries, you are voting for people hand picked by the millionaire class to represent the millionaire class.
Citizens have been priced out of Democracy.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)Excellent post.
I'm an old voter -- I remember Eisenhower -- and I continue to vote because people died so I could and I feel it is my civic duty. But I am so disgusted that nothing changes (despite ad nauseum promises of hope and change) and that repukes still win that I too question the sanity of doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Your post speaks to many of us: old, young and in between. Now, what to do?! I fear the country has to hit rock bottom
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)People today think they have to be enticed just right, to vote. No. You make the best choice you can make at any given time. If the choices suck, then next time get involved in the parties and the primaries, that's when the candidates are chosen.
Votes are not to "send a message" either, that's for emails, phone calls, and letters. Protests too.
But not voting. When people "send a message" by not voting, the reply every single time is the more odious candidate taking office. Older people have learned that lesson the hard way in earlier elections in their lifetimes, and that's why THEY vote. Hint to the young: learn that early.
p.s. Yes, my generation, the Boomers, fell for that old ploy too of "sending a message" by not voting. Until we looked around and saw that, of all people (who we hated btw), Ronnie Raygun had been elected president. Then, many started realizing the propaganda con of sitting out elections, but too late. And no, we didn't elect Reagan, the "greatest generation" accomplished that, while we were busy sitting on the sidelines, being too proud or too disillusioned to vote. Learn from the past, young people, or be screwed with the same old ploy -- your choice.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)If I give my vote to a corporatist shill, just because they have a "D" next to their name, the message they hear is "It's OK to be a corporatist shill."
So I don't vote for corporatist shills of any stripe, D or R. I vote for the candidate that champions the best policy. The message is "if you are a corporatist shill, I won't vote for you." Democratic candidates are free to ignore that message (most do), but they'd do better if they heeded it.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Some do, but that's more their flimsy excuse for slacking than heartfelt conviction.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)to vote. Now, I'm an old folk and I totally agree with you. People are always looking for someone to blame when all they have to do is look into the mirror.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)people want instant gratification, some kind of reward of doing even the most simplest of things
I'm not talking about the younger generation - I'm referring to people in general
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)another critical factor that I don't think gets enough weight/mention is
As I mentioned above, 2014 was by and large an election about nothing. But it could have been about so many things. That the election cycle was so boring is that fault of Democrats who were too scared to call out their opponents for what they were: anti-scientific, anti-democratic, racist, corporatist, conspiratorial, patriarchal tools. http://americablog.com/2014/11/democrats-arent-hook.html
It's not just that they don't stand up for anything or stand for things maany find unpalatable -- like the list of things critiqued around here -- but that many of them are all too often sissies, and like doing the above at every opportunity does and should involve some fear of reprisal or something.
I've long thought and argued that civility is way overrated in the relatively recent past and current political environment, and contributes in a big way to the validity of that old adage about nice guys finishing...
We should be defining them as opposed to reacting to their offensive offense of the largely dishonest kind. Trying to reason with with modern rightwinguts is as silly and unproductive as being reasonable with them -- they see it as a weakness to be exploited as energetically as possible, and usually with an escalation in their unreasonableness.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Nice piece, Will.
IMO we need desperately to talk about WHY it will happen. It will not happen because of a pragmatic and reluctant desire by a defeated liberal to be conciliatory and bipartisan.
It will happen because how our government works has been fundamentally changed. Corporate interests have flooded Washington with so much money that both parties are now working for the same Wall Street interests, and they are colluding to do it. Look at the policies. Look at the Taibbi articles on the outright corruption on behalf of Wall Street by our Justice System under a Democratic President.
IMO, the critical take-home message is that we have entered a post-democratic, post-partisan era in American government. We have suffered a corporate coup of our democracy itself. The two parties are now owned by the same corporate interests and they collude against us to further the same corporate agenda.
This is what the Pennsylvania study that concluded we are an oligarchy meant. This is oligarchy, only an illusion of democracy.
We have to realize this. They succeed because they convince us to keep trying to fix it within a system that no longer exists. We need to regroup and reorganize and realize that party is a tool being used against us now.
We need to unite on policies, not party. Getting corporate money out of our elections. Ending this oligarchy of corporate control. And we need to be the 99 percent to do it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5779080
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)As long as it is up to the pols. to make the changes they will never ever vote to "get money out" they will always vote for their own pocketbooks never for the best interests of the country, the day of pols. that care for the country and the people is pretty much over, there are a few, Sanders, Grayson,Warren but they are such a minimal minority that they are basically helpless...
There so very few that have the fortitude to stand up for us as to be almost entirely pointless.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)A peaceful revolution to teach, educate people about what has happened to their government and rally them to demand an end to the corporate oligarchy.
We need to rally around voices like Bernie's that actually get it. And to teach, teach, teach people to identify the corporate, diversionary propaganda that keeps them focused on anything but rallying national demand for the policies that will address the problem: corporate money and power out of government, out of our elections.
It has to be bipartisan, because clearly the relevant battle isn't Red vs. Blue anymore. It's the One Percent against the rest of us.
I'm not exactly sure what your point is here. In rereading your post, it sounds a lot like hopelessness.
____________________________________________________
IMO the most important threads on DU right now:
(1)
Ignore Third Way diversion and spin
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025767160
(2)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025776260
(not really about Obama, but about how politics in America have changed and are not what we're told they are)
(3)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025776332
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025776965
glaring evidence for (2)
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Is we are that no matter how hard we try to get the information out there we are up against a solid wall of money, the corps. control way too much money and media access, they either own the media outright or have the financial resources to rent what they don't own..We have the basically freedom of the internet but they will find a way to censor this to a point as to be useless in any real sense.
Comes down to the fact that as long as they are in power and have things like money=speech we are outgunned and they are the only ones who, in reality, can change it.
It may be the torches and pitchfork route is our only remaining viable option...
grasswire
(50,130 posts).....when they were sorely oppressed and information/truth was scarce. They shared among themselves. And when the police state forbid them to use methods of making mass communications, they got the typewriters and the carbon paper and tapped out the truth peck by peck, line by line. And they handed them round and round and round.
If TPTB won't tell the people the truth, then the people must GO AROUND the MSM and the pols and the naysayers. The truth is available for us to spread freely, like a grass fire spreads close to the soil. Every one of us has a circle of influence, a circle of contact where we individually can proffer truth.
We simply have to go around.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)My sense is that young voters who didn't turn out is/was highly tuned in to this fact. As was I think, most of us who did participate in the mid-term elections to vote.
We have to realize this. They succeed because they convince us to keep trying to fix it within a system that no longer exists. We need to regroup and reorganize and realize that party is a tool being used against us now.
(emphasis mine)
This can't be repeated enough, imo.
(emphasis mine)
Indeed! Well Said!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)what can one say? Nothing EXCEPT. democrats DID NOT vote in the numbers we are capable of. That's all. And yes I wish the democratic Party had some real courage to stand up to the racist, fascist steamroller that is allowing the RW to take over this government one election at a time. The money ALEC-Citizen's United has that has been allowed by our SCOTUS to fund the RW political agenda has destroyed the political process of this so called 'democracy'. Nothing else has done more toward the destruction of the Democratic Party except, saying it again, having no courage.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)people do have to actually vote in order to have their voted counted.
Apparently that's a hard concept to comprehend.
Critiquing and complaining just isn't showing up in the tally, can't imagine why.
So many nitwits say the same thing, "one vote doesn't matter". Well we all only get one vote, we all vote one at a time. Logically then, the point they're making must be that they expect to get MORE than one vote for themselves -- would that be dozens? or hundreds? or thousands even? I wonder how many votes they'd need to get to cast, before they'd consider it worthhile bestirring themselves for an hour, once every two years?
In my book, those people may as well be right-wingers, because it amounts to the same thing, that's who their (in)actions elect.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I think is more to the point.
As weak of a progressive as Obama is, some Dems even ran to the Right of him
and then got trounced. (see KY)
Dems who actually stood for something won: see the whole OR delegation or Al Franken
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)is that it? If voters don't like the choice they're presented with, they can just blow off the election and all will be well?
And then when voters don't vote, that's supposed to do something about making candidates better the next time?
Well I don't see how. That's a whole lot of magical thinking. And we see where it gets us. Right here. Maybe we can do the same thing next time, and end up adding a Repub president to go with the Repub House and the Repub Senate we've got now! That'll show 'em! That'll really get our point across!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I was merely repeating what the OP said .. here:
"if the Democrats wind up flopping and flailing for an explanation as to why they got routed at the polls, let me offer a succinct reply: You stand for nothing. You are the Washington Generals to the Harlem Globetrotters. Everyone expects you to go down to defeat, because you always lay down, because you are paid to do so. It doesn't have to be that way, but that's the way it is. When the midterms eat you alive, remember what I said. When you stand for nothing, you get nothing in return."
I was repeating it for emphasis, since many on DU appear to be tone-deaf to the message.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Choosing the candidates is a discussion for primary and pre-primary season, NOT election day.
By election day the options are set and it's time choose one. How good or bad the options are is off the table. Failure to show is choosing the Repub... as we have seen. Brilliant strategy!
Dems can repeat that as many election cycles as it takes them to learn that, and it will never be any different.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)a Democratic President who knew how to take a punch and then turn around and deliver one:
~Harry S. Truman (1952)
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)He didn't lose the election. The one Senator who campaigned with him won.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)former9thward
(32,026 posts)So somewhat selective 'facts'.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2014-midterm-elections-how-did-obama-and-clintons-candidates-fare-on-election-day/
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)While those who shunned him were swept away by a tidal wave?
That kind of proves my point.
Barack Obama is the strongest Democrat this Party has had in generations. Anyone who would distance themselves from him is the most worthless fool.
former9thward
(32,026 posts)So the statistics are skewed. I know you are disappointed these candidates don't take their advice from internet posters. So you resort to calling them names. But actual congressional candidates and governors use professional polling to determine campaign strategy. I'm sure these candidates did polling to determine whether Obama would help or hurt them.
That said I don't think the election was exclusively about Obama (although he did say his policies were on the ballot). Obama campaigned in IL for Gov. Quinn and he lost. That was not due to Obama, who is well liked in his home state, but due to the fact the state has been mismanaged for decades and it has been controlled by Democrats.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)And obviously you can't judge his campaigning by races he didn't try to influence. The result is 55% of the candidates he campaigned for lost in a hugely hostile election with minimal Democratic turnout.
Obama is the strongest Democratic leader in generations. He towers above every other leader in the party, and is certainly stronger than Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter were as incumbents.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)we must protect the image of our lame duck President at all costs!
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)That's an attitude from Media World, not planet Earth.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)if you're unfamiliar with the term.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)He had his chance at greatness in 2009...but threw away 'Change and Hope' for 'More of the Same'.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)Your history revisionism is pathetic.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)to help you understand what "history revisionism" (sic) means along with lame duck.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)If you want to go around bashing great Americans and Democrats, do it somewhere else. Somewhere with a more receptive audience, like Freep or PJ Media.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)former9thward
(32,026 posts)5 of the 9 people he campaigned for lost.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2014-midterm-elections-how-did-obama-and-clintons-candidates-fare-on-election-day/
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)former9thward
(32,026 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)They've been doing that shit since the beginning.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)A picture of Obama is "right-wing agitprop media"!
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)They churn out those images like sausages.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Thanks for telling it and I know you won't be surprised when a few attempt to deny it. But they are growing fewer and fewer in number with each election.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)Juror #5 here...
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William "Karl Rove was indicted" Pitt strikes again. There's no low that is too low for this used car salesman.
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WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)That's gotta burn.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....and be proud to do so.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)their boring, tired asses need new lines already,
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)My morality won't allow me to participate in corrupt systems if I can avoid it.
What about yours?
2banon
(7,321 posts)Dog Catcher, City Council, Mayorals, School Boards, Ballot Initiatives, and even Judicial seats
Sadly enough it's really really really hard to research notable decisions of Justices running for elections.
But, the process such as it is, as corrupt as it is, still matters.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)I guess that leaves dog catchers and school boards.
2banon
(7,321 posts)it was a slice of Good News for us Alamedans.
Trish Spencer was the underdog, underfunded, anti-establishment candidate who actually WON.
The sitting mayor was endorsed by the Democratic party, heavily funded and campaigned for her, and was also funded by out-of-town Real Estate Developers who've been trying to usurp our elections process, buy off our (with some success) our mayor and city council members with an aim to do a land grab of decommissioned military base for their highly profitable projects.
Greed, graft, corruption. Fortunately, we have a very active community, with two town newspapers keeping Alamedan's informed of these shenanigans.
But even so, I found myself pleasantly surprised as we got closer and closer to elections, Trish Spencer for Mayor yard signs began appearing everywhere in the neighborhood. Then all over town.
Three months ago, I could count no more than three or four of her signs including mine. I didn't figure she had a chance going up against the establishment, especially since she was endorsed by the Alameda Green Party.
But your point still stands as the norm, unfortunately. I just want to remind ourselves that it is still possible to get a different result. Just depends on whether or not the community is informed and involved.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)Hell, there have been many more posts here complaining about how Democratic candidates than there have been about candidates who actually are progressive. Progressive Democratic candidates get ignored, are voted against, and have the vast majority of the Democratic base not even bother to show up for the election they're running for. Someone will take a year out of their life trying to convince people to show up in order to get real progressive values, and posters here will go around telling people that the election they're in doesn't matter.
Sorry, but if we want more progressive Democrats, we could probably start by supporting the ones we have, rather than ignoring them.
DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts). . .for the most part.
BUT. . .
The Democratic Party had LOUSY salesmen/women for these issues.
And I absolutely agree with you, Will: If you run away from your own party and its issues, you'll lose. We need candidates and legislators who make absolutely no fucking apologies for their beliefs or their votes - and who don't give a shit what the Fux News factoids are.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)As usual.
cali
(114,904 posts)I think it's the best piece of yours I've read.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)okieinpain
(9,397 posts)joanbarnes
(1,722 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)adirondacker
(2,921 posts)Just wanted to give ya a shout out for giving me an occasional smile and laughter in these time s.
tomp
(9,512 posts)This is what I've been saying all along, and what perhaps is glaringly obvious to all those non-voters, and not so obvious to Democratic Party supporters.
The minority, faux liberal president has failed, everyone seems to agree. Perfect theater! Perfect cover! The democrats did VERY WELL at their job. Hell, Obama is even putting a point on it with is head hanging poses. The dems are not even saying, "Those goddamn republicans!" They're just laying down.
We are facing utter disaster on every front. There are three ways this can go, IMHO: we can do nothing and watch while we destroy ourselves; we can revolt and hope for the best; or, we can make a last ditch effort in the electoral process with a third, thorough-going, uncompromising progressive, i.e., socialist party. At the very least there is educational opportunity for the people in the latter.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Policy number one for the Democratic Party needs to be
FIXING THE VOTING PROCESS!
As long there are barriers to FULL PARTICIPATION
we will continue to lose elections.
Gerrymandering, voter purges, electronic voting,
limited ballots, long lines, and on and on
all add up to disenfranchised DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.
Policy number one: FIX THE VOTING PROCESS!