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True Earthling

(832 posts)
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:29 PM Nov 2014

A sexual harassment policy that nearly ruined my life

Yale student's ex-girlfriend files sexual misconduct complaint to Yale's University-Wide Committee on Sexual Misconduct. After demanding that fact-finding be done by requesting a formal complaint be filed...he is told “There’s nothing to clear your name of”...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/11/03/sexual-harassment-policy-that-nearly-ruined-life/hY3XrZrOdXjvX2SSvuciPN/story.html?event=event25

Harvard’s new policies are substantially similar to those already in effect at Yale, my alma mater. While an undergraduate there, my ex-girlfriend filed an informal complaint against me with the then-newly-created University-Wide Committee on Sexual Misconduct. The committee summoned me to appear and styled the meeting as a form of mediation. Its chairman, a professor with no prior experience handling dispute resolution, told me that I could have a faculty adviser present but no lawyer, and instructed me to avoid my accuser, who, by that point, I had neither seen nor spoken to in weeks. The committee imposed an “expectation of confidentiality” on me so as to prevent any form of “retaliation” against my accuser.

I would say more about what the accusation itself entailed if indeed I had such information. Under the informal complaint process, specific accusations are not disclosed to the accused, no fact-finding takes place, and no record is taken of the alleged misconduct. For the committee to issue an informal complaint, an accuser need only bring an accusation that, if substantiated, would constitute a violation of university policy concerning sexual misconduct. The informal “process” begins and ends at the point of accusation; the truth of the claim is immaterial.

The complaint lodged against me caused me and my family immense grief, and as a simple Google search of my name reveals, its malignant effects have not abated. It cost me my reputation and credibility, the opportunity to become a Rhodes scholar, the full-time job offer I had worked so hard to attain, and the opportunity to achieve my childhood dream of playing in the NFL. I have had to address it with every prospective employer whom I’ve contacted, with every girl that I’ve dated since, and even with Harvard Law School during my admissions interview. It is a specter whose lingering presence is rooted in its inexplicability.
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A sexual harassment policy that nearly ruined my life (Original Post) True Earthling Nov 2014 OP
Guilty until proven innocent. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #1
and that's the direction things are going in samsingh Nov 2014 #28
The problem with first person testimony is that it's hard to verify el_bryanto Nov 2014 #2
Witt was a marginal NFL prospect at best True Earthling Nov 2014 #7
How can he say this: Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #3
If you are not guilty of anything, you then of course know that you are innocent Schema Thing Nov 2014 #6
Sure, in your own mind. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #9
lol, ok. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #14
You seem skeptical. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #16
"What if..." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #18
Who was convicted of anything? Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #21
"If we knew what the actual charges were..." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #23
Well, this has been enlightening. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #24
Well of course someone who did what you did would say something like that. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #15
Interesting catch 22 you've constructed there. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #17
This is the post I figured would be here joeglow3 Nov 2014 #49
I know, right? Dr. Strange Nov 2014 #51
Sign nothing, agree to nothing LittleBlue Nov 2014 #4
"...the truth of the claim is immaterial." randome Nov 2014 #5
Is it me or does this author reek of spoiled upper-middle-class privilege? Try as I might, KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #8
So If One Goes To Yale RobinA Nov 2014 #37
"I've got a B.A., an M.A., a Ph.D. and I'm a BMF besides" - old Cheech KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #38
I don't think anyone here despises you, but I don't think anyone here respects you either. badtoworse Nov 2014 #40
My, aren't you precious? - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #41
You should self-delete to avoid further embarrassment badtoworse Nov 2014 #47
Did you know that King Charlemagne was allergic to pickles? snooper2 Nov 2014 #42
You don't care if lenders turn people's cars off while they're driving them, so I think KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #43
You believe random articles from non-journalists that say you car will be killed at 78MPH snooper2 Nov 2014 #45
How about CBS News? kcr Nov 2014 #50
Yeah, so except for one lady looking for a payout, it keeps the starter from working snooper2 Nov 2014 #52
Yes, I read kcr Nov 2014 #53
Wait, this idiot thinks he was going to the NFL from Yale? LeftyMom Nov 2014 #10
He was a marginal NFL prospect True Earthling Nov 2014 #12
It happens. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #27
That is clearly the key point in this story. Not. Nice diversion, though. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #36
Do your homework before posting something. Reduces your chances to look like a fool. joeglow3 Nov 2014 #46
If you are innocent, then begin litigation immediately AngryAmish Nov 2014 #11
sounds expensive Schema Thing Nov 2014 #25
it sounds like a nightmarish injustice Enrique Nov 2014 #13
Reading the article it seems his own words go against him. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #19
What did he do? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #20
I don't know and never said I did. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #29
Dude accuses ex-girlfriend of being a liar, claims geek tragedy Nov 2014 #22
lol ... Daily Non-News Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #26
Young woman claims awesome dude isn't awesome! hunter Nov 2014 #54
Doesn't pass the smell test. n/t Jamastiene Nov 2014 #30
In effect a Star Chamber proceeding or witch trial hifiguy Nov 2014 #31
It seems like there is a problem with the process. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #32
Hmmm. Sounds like a matter for the courts. riqster Nov 2014 #33
I've always wanted to use this smiley. hunter Nov 2014 #34
You've been unfairly and seriously damaged, I would file a lawsuit against the University badtoworse Nov 2014 #35
You would think a university with a renowned law school ... surrealAmerican Nov 2014 #39
They want to appear to deal with the issue of sexual assault on campus joeglow3 Nov 2014 #48
I believe in due process, and the presumption of innocence, for everyone. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #44

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
1. Guilty until proven innocent.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:38 PM
Nov 2014

"In closing, the reader might note that I have yet to even address the question of whether I was innocent of the accusation. I was. But it does not come up at any point above for the same reason that it never came up in any of the actions taken against me — because by the nature of the proceedings that follow from these new policies, it simply does not matter."

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
28. and that's the direction things are going in
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:46 PM
Nov 2014

anyone defending a man will be accused of condoning the crime that has yet to be proven

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. The problem with first person testimony is that it's hard to verify
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:43 PM
Nov 2014

In particular the claim that he would have been drafted into the NFL if it were not for this complaint doesn't ring true. It also only presents the policy in the most damning way possible. As presented it seems kind of crazy; but I'm guessing there is another side to this story.

Bryant

True Earthling

(832 posts)
7. Witt was a marginal NFL prospect at best
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:53 PM
Nov 2014

He was rated the #21 QB and possible 7th rd draft choice but more likely an undrafted FA according to NFL Draftscout.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
3. How can he say this:
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:45 PM
Nov 2014
In closing, the reader might note that I have yet to even address the question of whether I was innocent of the accusation. I was.


When he first said this:

I would say more about what the accusation itself entailed if indeed I had such information. Under the informal complaint process, specific accusations are not disclosed to the accused, no fact-finding takes place, and no record is taken of the alleged misconduct.


Either he knows what the accusation was, and declares his innocence, or he doesn't know it and claims bewilderment. Which is it?

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
16. You seem skeptical.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:24 PM
Nov 2014

So let's take a look at the biggest issue on campus these days: consent. What if that hot shot quarterback had sexual relations with his girlfriend, against her wishes? Normal folks would call that rape, but a surprising number of people don't see it that way at all. They think consent is implied, or expected, or even irrelevant if she is too drunk and passed out to respond.

So, Mr. Football could have raped his girlfriend and yet be absolutely convinced he did nothing wrong. See how that works?

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
21. Who was convicted of anything?
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:34 PM
Nov 2014


And to be blindingly obvious, since apparently that's necessary here, my example was a hypothetical. If we knew what the actual charges were, we'd be able to discuss specifics in more detail. I was merely responding to a discussion with someone else about how you could be totally convinced that you are innocent when in fact you are not.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
23. "If we knew what the actual charges were..."
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:38 PM
Nov 2014

Exactly.

There's a reason free societies do not employ secret tribunals.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
17. Interesting catch 22 you've constructed there.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:25 PM
Nov 2014

i.e. How can he claim he's innocent? He doesn't even know what crime he's guilty of!

Guilty until proven innocent? It's worse than that, he's denied the opportunity to provide proof.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
49. This is the post I figured would be here
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:42 PM
Nov 2014

Only took three posts and came from someone that didn't shock me.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
4. Sign nothing, agree to nothing
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:46 PM
Nov 2014

And hire a lawyer. It doesn't matter what this jumped-up sociology professor thinks about whether you're entitle to legal counsel. You are. And if the professor-turned-judge doesn't like it, he can see you in court. It's the first mistake anyone makes when dealing with a big accusation in life, believing the person who advises them not to bother with a lawyer.

He should sue the school for all they're worth.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. "...the truth of the claim is immaterial."
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:49 PM
Nov 2014

Um, there is no truth until the committee decides on where the evidence leads. That sentence fragment is just another way to say "I'm innocent!" Which every guilty individual would say anyways.

There may, indeed, be problems with the process but the way this is addressed is a little overdone, IMO.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
8. Is it me or does this author reek of spoiled upper-middle-class privilege? Try as I might,
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:54 PM
Nov 2014

I'm finding it really difficult to give a shit about his 1% (Yale undergrad\Harvard Law) travails.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
37. So If One Goes To Yale
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:58 PM
Nov 2014

due process does not apply? I despise the anti-intellectualism that shows up around here so often.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
38. "I've got a B.A., an M.A., a Ph.D. and I'm a BMF besides" - old Cheech
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:04 PM
Nov 2014

and Chong bit.

How much sympathy are workers supposed to feel for a Yalie now attending Harvard Law? That isn't anti-intellectualism, it's anti-elitism. But despise away, as it suits you.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
42. Did you know that King Charlemagne was allergic to pickles?
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:19 PM
Nov 2014

Some of the people he tried to convert who were "in the know" used to just throw pickles at him and he would run away screaming

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
43. You don't care if lenders turn people's cars off while they're driving them, so I think
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:22 PM
Nov 2014

you've pretty much permanently discredited yourself from having anything meaningful to say going forward.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
45. You believe random articles from non-journalists that say you car will be killed at 78MPH
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:27 PM
Nov 2014

think more...not that hard LOL-


my "king"

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
52. Yeah, so except for one lady looking for a payout, it keeps the starter from working
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:53 PM
Nov 2014

Not killing cars going down the freeway...did you read?

Only a fucking idiot would enable technology like that wanting to get bankrupt. Won't stop people from believing it though...



Last year, Nevada’s Legislature heard testimony from T. Candice Smith, 31, who said she thought she was going to die when her car suddenly shut down, sending her careening across a three-lane Las Vegas highway.
“It was horrifying,” she recalled.
Ms. Smith said that her lender, C.A.G. Acceptance, had remotely activated her ignition interruption device.
“It’s a safety hazard for the driver and for all others on the road,” said her lawyer, Sophia A. Medina, with the Legal Aid Center of Southern Nevada.
Mr. Pena of C.A.G. Acceptance said, “It is impossible to cause a vehicle to shut off while it is operating,” He added, “We take extra precautions to try and work with and be professional with our customers.” While PassTime, the device’s maker, declined to comment on Ms. Smith’s case, the company emphasized that its products were designed to prevent a car from starting, not to shut it down while it was in operation.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
53. Yes, I read
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:56 PM
Nov 2014

I read the same thing you did. G.A.C. is surely an an unbaised source that can be trusted. Sure! There aren't enough ROFLMIAPMGOSMP smilies.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
10. Wait, this idiot thinks he was going to the NFL from Yale?
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:59 PM
Nov 2014

Okay, we already know this person has a complicated relationship with reality. Your chances of being drafted into the NFL are better at Multidirectional State U than at the Ivies. Yale is not exactly a football factory.

in an article full of hand waving and very vague claims, that's a specific one most of America can call bullshit on immediately. The author is a liar.

True Earthling

(832 posts)
12. He was a marginal NFL prospect
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:03 PM
Nov 2014

He was rated the #21 QB and possible 7th rd draft choice but more likely an undrafted FA according to NFL Draftscout. I believe most college football players overestimate their chances of being drafted or high they'll be drafted. Very few get drafted higher than they think.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
36. That is clearly the key point in this story. Not. Nice diversion, though.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:58 PM
Nov 2014

How about addressing the university's apparently fucked up process?

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
11. If you are innocent, then begin litigation immediately
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:00 PM
Nov 2014

The accuser, defamation, libel and tortious interference. Anyone who helped them, the same thing. Personally sue every school employee involved as well as the school. Breach of contract, title ix. Make it hurt. Make it expensive. Make it go away.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
13. it sounds like a nightmarish injustice
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:09 PM
Nov 2014

but this is only one side. I wonder if the university will respond.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. Reading the article it seems his own words go against him.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:31 PM
Nov 2014

People who were informed were informed by anonymous sources. It isn't linked to the college. Sounds like he made someone pretty upset and they have done whatever possible to hurt him.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
29. I don't know and never said I did.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:46 PM
Nov 2014

Not one word I wrote indicated my thoughts on what he did with respect to the validity of the complaint in any way. How do you expect me to know what he did?

hunter

(38,318 posts)
54. Young woman claims awesome dude isn't awesome!
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 03:05 PM
Nov 2014

"My reputation is ruined!" he whines.

It could be news from the The Onion.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
31. In effect a Star Chamber proceeding or witch trial
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:47 PM
Nov 2014

in which the accused must prove innocence of ill-defined or undisclosed charges. More than a little Stalinist, IMO.

Disgusting.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
32. It seems like there is a problem with the process.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:48 PM
Nov 2014

No finding of facts.

No chance to challenge them.

It looks like guilt by accusation.

I don't know if this guy did something bad. Neither, apparently does anyone else. And it doesn't even seem to matter. It's enough that the accusation is made.

By the logic of some here, we don't even need to know the facts. The fact that a complaint was made makes it valid.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
33. Hmmm. Sounds like a matter for the courts.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:50 PM
Nov 2014

If the facts are on his side, he should be pursuing that course.

hunter

(38,318 posts)
34. I've always wanted to use this smiley.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:52 PM
Nov 2014


His own words and attitude explains everything.

It's not the he-said-she-said issue standing in the way of his success.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
35. You've been unfairly and seriously damaged, I would file a lawsuit against the University
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:57 PM
Nov 2014

ETA: I've dealt with sexual harrassment cases in the business world and it's not so one-sided there. Filing a false sexual harrassment claim will generally get the accuser fired. If there really is nothing to her claim, I'd say you have a cause of action against her as well. If nothing else, you should at least talk to a lawyer.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
39. You would think a university with a renowned law school ...
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:06 PM
Nov 2014

... would have a better handle on this sort of process.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
48. They want to appear to deal with the issue of sexual assault on campus
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:41 PM
Nov 2014

While not really creating a paper trail to scare away prospective students. They "handle" it all internally. That way, they can show potential female students that they have systems in place to make their campus "safe" while making sure the stats on campus assaults are crap (since so many are swept under the rug by the campus policy).

No official system for this should exist at a university that doesn't involve law enforcement.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
44. I believe in due process, and the presumption of innocence, for everyone.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:25 PM
Nov 2014

Which I am aware is far from being a universal view on this board.

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