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Yale student's ex-girlfriend files sexual misconduct complaint to Yale's University-Wide Committee on Sexual Misconduct. After demanding that fact-finding be done by requesting a formal complaint be filed...he is told Theres nothing to clear your name of...
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/11/03/sexual-harassment-policy-that-nearly-ruined-life/hY3XrZrOdXjvX2SSvuciPN/story.html?event=event25
I would say more about what the accusation itself entailed if indeed I had such information. Under the informal complaint process, specific accusations are not disclosed to the accused, no fact-finding takes place, and no record is taken of the alleged misconduct. For the committee to issue an informal complaint, an accuser need only bring an accusation that, if substantiated, would constitute a violation of university policy concerning sexual misconduct. The informal process begins and ends at the point of accusation; the truth of the claim is immaterial.
The complaint lodged against me caused me and my family immense grief, and as a simple Google search of my name reveals, its malignant effects have not abated. It cost me my reputation and credibility, the opportunity to become a Rhodes scholar, the full-time job offer I had worked so hard to attain, and the opportunity to achieve my childhood dream of playing in the NFL. I have had to address it with every prospective employer whom Ive contacted, with every girl that Ive dated since, and even with Harvard Law School during my admissions interview. It is a specter whose lingering presence is rooted in its inexplicability.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)"In closing, the reader might note that I have yet to even address the question of whether I was innocent of the accusation. I was. But it does not come up at any point above for the same reason that it never came up in any of the actions taken against me because by the nature of the proceedings that follow from these new policies, it simply does not matter."
samsingh
(17,599 posts)anyone defending a man will be accused of condoning the crime that has yet to be proven
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)In particular the claim that he would have been drafted into the NFL if it were not for this complaint doesn't ring true. It also only presents the policy in the most damning way possible. As presented it seems kind of crazy; but I'm guessing there is another side to this story.
Bryant
True Earthling
(832 posts)He was rated the #21 QB and possible 7th rd draft choice but more likely an undrafted FA according to NFL Draftscout.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)When he first said this:
I would say more about what the accusation itself entailed if indeed I had such information. Under the informal complaint process, specific accusations are not disclosed to the accused, no fact-finding takes place, and no record is taken of the alleged misconduct.
Either he knows what the accusation was, and declares his innocence, or he doesn't know it and claims bewilderment. Which is it?
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)of any accusation.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)That doesn't mean you're not guilty, however.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)So let's take a look at the biggest issue on campus these days: consent. What if that hot shot quarterback had sexual relations with his girlfriend, against her wishes? Normal folks would call that rape, but a surprising number of people don't see it that way at all. They think consent is implied, or expected, or even irrelevant if she is too drunk and passed out to respond.
So, Mr. Football could have raped his girlfriend and yet be absolutely convinced he did nothing wrong. See how that works?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)How do you convict someone of a "what if"?
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)And to be blindingly obvious, since apparently that's necessary here, my example was a hypothetical. If we knew what the actual charges were, we'd be able to discuss specifics in more detail. I was merely responding to a discussion with someone else about how you could be totally convinced that you are innocent when in fact you are not.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Exactly.
There's a reason free societies do not employ secret tribunals.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)So, bye now.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)i.e. How can he claim he's innocent? He doesn't even know what crime he's guilty of!
Guilty until proven innocent? It's worse than that, he's denied the opportunity to provide proof.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Only took three posts and came from someone that didn't shock me.
Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)It's like the perfect Orwellian concoction.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)And hire a lawyer. It doesn't matter what this jumped-up sociology professor thinks about whether you're entitle to legal counsel. You are. And if the professor-turned-judge doesn't like it, he can see you in court. It's the first mistake anyone makes when dealing with a big accusation in life, believing the person who advises them not to bother with a lawyer.
He should sue the school for all they're worth.
randome
(34,845 posts)Um, there is no truth until the committee decides on where the evidence leads. That sentence fragment is just another way to say "I'm innocent!" Which every guilty individual would say anyways.
There may, indeed, be problems with the process but the way this is addressed is a little overdone, IMO.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)I'm finding it really difficult to give a shit about his 1% (Yale undergrad\Harvard Law) travails.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)due process does not apply? I despise the anti-intellectualism that shows up around here so often.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)and Chong bit.
How much sympathy are workers supposed to feel for a Yalie now attending Harvard Law? That isn't anti-intellectualism, it's anti-elitism. But despise away, as it suits you.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)badtoworse
(5,957 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Some of the people he tried to convert who were "in the know" used to just throw pickles at him and he would run away screaming
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)you've pretty much permanently discredited yourself from having anything meaningful to say going forward.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)think more...not that hard LOL-
my "king"
kcr
(15,317 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Not killing cars going down the freeway...did you read?
Only a fucking idiot would enable technology like that wanting to get bankrupt. Won't stop people from believing it though...
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I read the same thing you did. G.A.C. is surely an an unbaised source that can be trusted. Sure! There aren't enough ROFLMIAPMGOSMP smilies.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Okay, we already know this person has a complicated relationship with reality. Your chances of being drafted into the NFL are better at Multidirectional State U than at the Ivies. Yale is not exactly a football factory.
in an article full of hand waving and very vague claims, that's a specific one most of America can call bullshit on immediately. The author is a liar.
True Earthling
(832 posts)He was rated the #21 QB and possible 7th rd draft choice but more likely an undrafted FA according to NFL Draftscout. I believe most college football players overestimate their chances of being drafted or high they'll be drafted. Very few get drafted higher than they think.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Within the last couple of years a Harvard grad started in the NFL.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)How about addressing the university's apparently fucked up process?
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)The accuser, defamation, libel and tortious interference. Anyone who helped them, the same thing. Personally sue every school employee involved as well as the school. Breach of contract, title ix. Make it hurt. Make it expensive. Make it go away.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)but this is only one side. I wonder if the university will respond.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)People who were informed were informed by anonymous sources. It isn't linked to the college. Sounds like he made someone pretty upset and they have done whatever possible to hurt him.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not one word I wrote indicated my thoughts on what he did with respect to the validity of the complaint in any way. How do you expect me to know what he did?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to be pure of heart.
Zzzz
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)hunter
(38,318 posts)"My reputation is ruined!" he whines.
It could be news from the The Onion.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in which the accused must prove innocence of ill-defined or undisclosed charges. More than a little Stalinist, IMO.
Disgusting.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)No finding of facts.
No chance to challenge them.
It looks like guilt by accusation.
I don't know if this guy did something bad. Neither, apparently does anyone else. And it doesn't even seem to matter. It's enough that the accusation is made.
By the logic of some here, we don't even need to know the facts. The fact that a complaint was made makes it valid.
riqster
(13,986 posts)If the facts are on his side, he should be pursuing that course.
hunter
(38,318 posts)His own words and attitude explains everything.
It's not the he-said-she-said issue standing in the way of his success.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)ETA: I've dealt with sexual harrassment cases in the business world and it's not so one-sided there. Filing a false sexual harrassment claim will generally get the accuser fired. If there really is nothing to her claim, I'd say you have a cause of action against her as well. If nothing else, you should at least talk to a lawyer.
surrealAmerican
(11,362 posts)... would have a better handle on this sort of process.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)While not really creating a paper trail to scare away prospective students. They "handle" it all internally. That way, they can show potential female students that they have systems in place to make their campus "safe" while making sure the stats on campus assaults are crap (since so many are swept under the rug by the campus policy).
No official system for this should exist at a university that doesn't involve law enforcement.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Which I am aware is far from being a universal view on this board.