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Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 05:25 PM Nov 2014

This notice is being passed around the St. Louis area regarding Ferguson.

"A Safety Message For Civilians"

A consensus of reasonably well-informed opinions has it that the the anticipated release date of the Grand Jury finding in the Mike Brown case is on/about Monday 10 November, probably after 2PM.
National Guard, Army Reserve, FEMA and other federal agencies are deploying additional people to the St. Louis metro area in the two-three day period just prior to Monday 10 November. There does not appear, however, to be a sufficient degree of coordination among federal, state and local authorities to display a meaningful degree of learning from the race riots in Los Angeles or Cincinnati.
Accordingly, the principles that governed the pace and scale of those situations can reasonably be anticipated to govern here, too.

Local police are telling their friends and family that they'll have to be ready to be on their own for a period of several days after the Grand Jury finding in the Mike Brown case has been released. Meanwhile, as municipal leaders have been essentially silent on the subject, I know several police officers who are not only asking their wives to stay home from work and their children to skip school, but they are also getting their families out of town to the homes of relatives or to weekend places, farms, cottages at the lake, etc. This may or may not turn out to have been an over-abundance of caution, but it's wise to be aware that these measures are being taken privately as we see little meaningful advance preparation on the part of authorities.
A great many police officers are disgusted with the lack of advance preparation, and word is beginning to leak past police friends and family. Last night a message thread approved by message board moderators was posted on St. Louis Cop Talk (see below) warning citizens to be prepared to take care of themselves.

Mayor Slay has not said anything about readiness preparations for the coming lawlessness, but he did find time to complain to the media about a lawful assembly of open-carry advocates for whom no police presence was required and during which there was no violence or law-breaking of any kind. It should be clear that many elected and appointed officials are essentially trying to be neutral parties rather than siding with the law-abiding against the lawless.
Police are expecting to be overwhelmed by the coming Ferguson troubles no matter what precautions they take. Have heard from several SLMPD officers that commanders have been planning triage approach to an expected flood of calls for service from citizens in the wake of violence stemming from the release of Grand Jury information in the Mike Brown case. The word has gone out that police will not be responding to a number of types of calls that would ordinarily bring police response.
Squad leaders have been telling their officers not to do anything pro-active and to stay safe. The theme among working cops has been primarily maintaining officer safety. The New Black Panthers have promised to kill police officers and intel suggests a primary enemy tactic will be to lure responding officers into ambush kill zones via calls for emergency service. That tactic was used in the initial flare-up in Ferguson, and resulted in police not responding to a call to a residence on behalf of a civilian female who had been shot in the head at the protests.

Lawful protest activities will be used as cover for a large number of violent crimes, including not only the expected looting and arson but also score-settling among tribal rivals, robberies, burglaries and other crimes of opportunity. There are elements that are out to destabilize society, and there are many street gang crews and common criminals who will seize the opportunity to take advantage of the anarchy. Finally, a heightened threat of Islamic terror attack is anticipated during this period of chaos when emergency response capabilities have been stretched beyond capacity.

Violence is anticipated to be widespread and essentially beyond their ability to get under control without military assistance. A period of 96 hours or so of anarchy and lawlessness without consequence seems to be a consensus expectation, beginning approximately 4 hours after the Grand Jury finding has been released. If that comes to pass, the worst of the trouble will probably not be the first night, but more likely about 48 to 72 hours later, with sporadic flare-ups throughout.
Intel suggests the violence-prone elements intend to use the lawful protesters as human shields. A body count is expected among all parties. For weeks, the enemy has been arming, recruiting people, bringing in reinforcement agitators from outside the region, laying in supplies, getting comms, safe-houses and fall-back positions in place, and the target selection process has been underway -- scouting, probes and recon-by-force activities have been detected in far south and southwest St. Louis county as well as west of the Missouri River in St. Charles City and County. Gun stores, cell phone stores, and banks in particular seem to be high on the threat list (that makes sense, since it takes weapons, ammunition, communications gear and money to fuel a revolution).

Understand that the threat profile is dissimilar from anything that authorities in this area have ever faced before, and that few in office understand the complete ramifications of that fact. No public leader at the federal, state, or local level has been able to get out in front of this situation, and all agencies are in a defensive posture, both from a tactical perspective as well as a political perspective. That means emergency services can only react and will not be able to mount any kind of effective counter-response.
In turn, these circumstances very likely mean that many law-abiding citizens will be lumped in with law-breakers when the authorities clamp down. For some time now, the "Us vs. Them" mentality has been allowed to fester in our police departments; "John Q. Citizen" is viewed too often as a PITA if not the enemy on the part of the authorities. We'll likely see official under-reaction followed by panicky over-reactions, in which curfews, road blocks and other extraordinary measures will have the effect of causing harm to law-abiding citizens as authorities try to "restore order." This is the pattern seen before in similar events elsewhere and because authorities here are behaving in a manner virtually identical to the authorities in those other events, outcomes will be similar.

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This notice is being passed around the St. Louis area regarding Ferguson. (Original Post) Gore1FL Nov 2014 OP
Passed around by whom? And where? St. Louis is a big metro area. randome Nov 2014 #1
Unknown by whom. In South St. Louis City is where it was posted. n/t Gore1FL Nov 2014 #13
Where was it posted? Raine1967 Nov 2014 #20
On his friends door. Rex Nov 2014 #24
That's not good enough for me. Raine1967 Nov 2014 #28
Here is what I found using a quick google search. Rex Nov 2014 #31
Thanks, Rex. Raine1967 Nov 2014 #35
Very welcome. I hope it is fake, it sent a chill down my spine. Rex Nov 2014 #36
Way OT, I think, but that guy's FB page is super creepy too. Has some KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #52
in my friends door jam. Gore1FL Nov 2014 #45
who put this out faux news or the klan. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2014 #2
Unknown, but it is out. n/t Gore1FL Nov 2014 #14
What's the source of this? You quoted it, so perhaps MineralMan Nov 2014 #3
A notice on the door of a friend at work. n/t Gore1FL Nov 2014 #6
Did your "friend" post it on his door? MineralMan Nov 2014 #7
He is a very liberal friend of mine Gore1FL Nov 2014 #12
I copied the text from a RWN on facebook Gore1FL Nov 2014 #4
Scan it. Post it. Send it to the news media. Raine1967 Nov 2014 #21
Looks like White Citizens Council stuff randys1 Nov 2014 #5
This has the vibe Feral Child Nov 2014 #8
what this guy said AngryAmish Nov 2014 #10
ditto that TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #15
Uh, yeah, 'recon-by-force' sort of gives it away, I'd say. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #17
I wonder what the voter turnout was in Ferguson this election. . B Calm Nov 2014 #9
Notice the digs the author(s) manage to get in at President Obama and KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #11
Interesting. I, too, would like to learn more about where it came from. logosoco Nov 2014 #16
No defense of it, but I think the 'friend' found it affixed to the door of his KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #18
Oh, I see! Well, then I guess I wonder what neighborhood the friend lives in. logosoco Nov 2014 #25
You and me both, friend! If I had to lay odds, I'd guess some place like KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #27
Maybe... logosoco Nov 2014 #32
Are you referring to the execution of Vonderrit Myers in the Shaw neighborhood of St. Louis? The KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #34
Yes, that's the name. There's too many to keep track of sadly. logosoco Nov 2014 #38
South City n/t Gore1FL Nov 2014 #50
Wow, sounds like the person that wrote the note wants to kill black people. Rex Nov 2014 #19
It is a creepy piece, isn't it? Halfway between concern trolling and outright KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #22
It sent chills down my spine. Rex Nov 2014 #23
I think you put to words what I was feeling. Raine1967 Nov 2014 #40
What sourcing do you require? Gore1FL Nov 2014 #47
That was my read too, when he showed it to me. Gore1FL Nov 2014 #48
They don't call themselves the Klan anymore hifiguy Nov 2014 #26
If we take the OP at his word -- and no reason not to -- and the OP's friend KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #30
That does scare me. There were reports recently that the klan or logosoco Nov 2014 #33
Reading the comments sections of the Post-Dispatch and Gazette is quite eye-opening. Not KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #37
I had to stop reading those comments. logosoco Nov 2014 #39
Ironically, the only mention of riot in St. Louis that I know of was the hedgehog Nov 2014 #29
Your OP needs better sourcing. Raine1967 Nov 2014 #41
I am not sure how to prove that this was on my friend's door. How do I source that? Gore1FL Nov 2014 #46
Cincinnati? KamaAina Nov 2014 #42
Sometime around 2001 alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #43
Oh, I vaguely remember now KamaAina Nov 2014 #44
By Whom? SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #49
I don't know who put it on his door. Neither does he. n/t Gore1FL Nov 2014 #51
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. Passed around by whom? And where? St. Louis is a big metro area.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 05:27 PM
Nov 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
28. That's not good enough for me.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:45 PM
Nov 2014

but that's just myself.


… something like this should be sent to the media. It's important and should not be just another post on a message board.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
35. Thanks, Rex.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 07:01 PM
Nov 2014

I noticed that this person lives about an out outside of Ferguson. I still believe that this is something that law enforcement (state police?) or the media should be made aware of.

I am afraid that this is a internet rumor. If this is truth, it should be investigated; if it is fear instilling, people should know.

Right now, I don;t know what to make of it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
36. Very welcome. I hope it is fake, it sent a chill down my spine.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 07:03 PM
Nov 2014

I'm not really sure what to make of it either.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
52. Way OT, I think, but that guy's FB page is super creepy too. Has some
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 02:00 AM
Nov 2014

sort of assault rifle as his profile pic.

When you scroll down a ways on the page, you find out he and his SO made a trip to Mexico recently. But that doesn't stop him from posting racist jokes about Mexicans.



MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
3. What's the source of this? You quoted it, so perhaps
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 05:30 PM
Nov 2014

you know where it came from. It would be very helpful if you would fill us in on that.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
12. He is a very liberal friend of mine
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:07 PM
Nov 2014

He walked out his door and it was on it. He took it to work and showed it to me. I copied the first few sentences into Google, found the full text and pasted it here in this thread.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
5. Looks like White Citizens Council stuff
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 05:31 PM
Nov 2014

They desperately want the AA to do what they KNOW they would do if tables were reversed.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
8. This has the vibe
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 05:49 PM
Nov 2014

of RW militia disinformation. It's written how they think police intelligence reports are written, it's as official sounding as the flyers I get in the mail telling me that Social Security won't pay enough death benefits to cover my internment.

I wouldn't credit it one bit. Not reliable.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
11. Notice the digs the author(s) manage to get in at President Obama and
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:02 PM
Nov 2014

the federal government?

No public leader at the federal, state, or local level has been able to get out in front of this situation, and all agencies are in a defensive posture, both from a tactical perspective as well as a political perspective. That means emergency services can only react and will not be able to mount any kind of effective counter-response. (Emphasis added)


This is a not-so-subtle incitement to violence, plain and simple. Hope state and federal law enforcement are investigating its provenance.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
16. Interesting. I, too, would like to learn more about where it came from.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:31 PM
Nov 2014

What type of business does this friend work at that someone would leave this notice there.

The tone of this message is interesting, too. Kind of like the cops are telling the citizens, who pay their salaries, that they are on their own and they are all suspect. It also seems to have the underlying message that everyone needs a gun.

Gee, if only the whole case could just go to an open court.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
18. No defense of it, but I think the 'friend' found it affixed to the door of his
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:33 PM
Nov 2014

residence and took it to work, whereupon he 'shared' it with the OP.

BTW, kudos to you for flagging the overall 'tone.' I was keying in on specific words and phrases ("recon-by-force&quot .

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
25. Oh, I see! Well, then I guess I wonder what neighborhood the friend lives in.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:41 PM
Nov 2014

I am familiar with St. Louis and St. Louis County and I would be interested to see what neighborhoods they are spreading this in.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
27. You and me both, friend! If I had to lay odds, I'd guess some place like
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:43 PM
Nov 2014

Ladue or Kirkwood, but that's just a guess.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
32. Maybe...
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:52 PM
Nov 2014

Ladue people could hire their own security (like that street in the city where the cop shot that other guy, names elude me, too many to keep track of). Kirkwood is not as ritzy (my mother in law is one of the last poor people there! My mom lives next to there. I went to school there. Don't think much of it, they pretty much wiped out the black community when they sold most of where they lived to put in a Walmart and other stores that could have built elsewhere.

I wonder what these surrounding cities are doing. This could be interesting.
Still wish they could just have a trial. Open and as fair as justice can be anyway.
If there is no indictment, to me it goes down as they knew the cop would be convicted and they are avoiding that.

Justice is just for some people. McCulloch is avoiding the ire of cops who he has to work with and maybe harboring resentment for what happened to his dad. He is not for justice.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
34. Are you referring to the execution of Vonderrit Myers in the Shaw neighborhood of St. Louis? The
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 07:00 PM
Nov 2014

cop who shot Myers was supposedly moonlightiing as a mercenary for local businesses, IIRC.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
38. Yes, that's the name. There's too many to keep track of sadly.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 07:11 PM
Nov 2014

And way too much suspicion.
but I expect we are going to see more of this. The people at the top, the 1% know there are more in the 99% and they are afraid of them. And the cops work for them.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. Wow, sounds like the person that wrote the note wants to kill black people.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:34 PM
Nov 2014

And is giddy about waiting for their chance.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
22. It is a creepy piece, isn't it? Halfway between concern trolling and outright
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:36 PM
Nov 2014

incitement to violence.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
47. What sourcing do you require?
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:20 PM
Nov 2014

My friends name? my name? The address where the flyer was placed in the door?

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
48. That was my read too, when he showed it to me.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:21 PM
Nov 2014

It was a creepy read and not what I expected when he handed it to me.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
30. If we take the OP at his word -- and no reason not to -- and the OP's friend
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:46 PM
Nov 2014

at his word -- rightfully giving the OP the benefit of the doubt -- it brings up the interesting question of just who is going around and affixing this piece to residents' doors anonymously.

It's like the Klan, minus the public cross burnings and lynchings.

Very creepy.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
33. That does scare me. There were reports recently that the klan or
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:58 PM
Nov 2014

whatever they call themselves now days, was leafleting neighborhoods (one nearby where my daughter lives and one near the southern border of St. Louis county out my way). I was glad people were reporting it and not going for their BS.
But still sad and scary knowing they are out there and making their presence known.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
37. Reading the comments sections of the Post-Dispatch and Gazette is quite eye-opening. Not
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 07:05 PM
Nov 2014

sure what local iterations of the Klan are active in the area. I think after the FBI infiltrated them heavily in the 60s and 70s, they tended to splinter up, sort of like my Socialist and Communist comrades after the 1950s. Waco and Ruby Ridge breathed some new life and credibiity into them, I suppose, and Oklahama City represented the extremes of which they and their white supremacist cohort are capable.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
39. I had to stop reading those comments.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 07:14 PM
Nov 2014

It made me sick to think I live around people who think like that.
I pretty much gave up on the Post, too. Their editorial slant was becoming very obvious.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
29. Ironically, the only mention of riot in St. Louis that I know of was the
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:45 PM
Nov 2014

infamous East St. Louis riot of 1917 in which blacks were targeted by whites.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
41. Your OP needs better sourcing.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 07:48 PM
Nov 2014

You need a source or proof of this. Just saying a friend had it posted on his/her door (or whatever) is nothing but hearsay.

Other people in this thread have tried to ask you for more information.

I will refer to this post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025783458#post22

It is a creepy piece, isn't it? Halfway between concern trolling and outright

incitement to violence.
Until you give more information, I am inclined to agree.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
46. I am not sure how to prove that this was on my friend's door. How do I source that?
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:18 PM
Nov 2014

I am telling you about an event at work. I found the verbiage online and copied and pasted it. I posted it in general discussion. If you can provide me with a reasonable explanation of what "more information" you might happen to want.

Believe me. Don't believe me. It's entirely up to you. I am after all, basing it on the trust of my friend, too.









 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
43. Sometime around 2001
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 08:03 PM
Nov 2014

The only people who ever talk about them are people from Cincinnati and hardcore white supremacists, who seem to have cathected on them, viewing them as as important as the Seattle WTO protests.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
49. By Whom?
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:22 PM
Nov 2014

"Lawful protest activities will be used as cover for a large number of violent crimes, including not only the expected looting and arson but also score-settling among tribal rivals, robberies, burglaries and other crimes of opportunity."

Crock of fucking shit. Looks like people are going to try to incite and then lay blame...

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