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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis notice is being passed around the St. Louis area regarding Ferguson.
"A Safety Message For Civilians"
A consensus of reasonably well-informed opinions has it that the the anticipated release date of the Grand Jury finding in the Mike Brown case is on/about Monday 10 November, probably after 2PM.
National Guard, Army Reserve, FEMA and other federal agencies are deploying additional people to the St. Louis metro area in the two-three day period just prior to Monday 10 November. There does not appear, however, to be a sufficient degree of coordination among federal, state and local authorities to display a meaningful degree of learning from the race riots in Los Angeles or Cincinnati.
Accordingly, the principles that governed the pace and scale of those situations can reasonably be anticipated to govern here, too.
Local police are telling their friends and family that they'll have to be ready to be on their own for a period of several days after the Grand Jury finding in the Mike Brown case has been released. Meanwhile, as municipal leaders have been essentially silent on the subject, I know several police officers who are not only asking their wives to stay home from work and their children to skip school, but they are also getting their families out of town to the homes of relatives or to weekend places, farms, cottages at the lake, etc. This may or may not turn out to have been an over-abundance of caution, but it's wise to be aware that these measures are being taken privately as we see little meaningful advance preparation on the part of authorities.
A great many police officers are disgusted with the lack of advance preparation, and word is beginning to leak past police friends and family. Last night a message thread approved by message board moderators was posted on St. Louis Cop Talk (see below) warning citizens to be prepared to take care of themselves.
Mayor Slay has not said anything about readiness preparations for the coming lawlessness, but he did find time to complain to the media about a lawful assembly of open-carry advocates for whom no police presence was required and during which there was no violence or law-breaking of any kind. It should be clear that many elected and appointed officials are essentially trying to be neutral parties rather than siding with the law-abiding against the lawless.
Police are expecting to be overwhelmed by the coming Ferguson troubles no matter what precautions they take. Have heard from several SLMPD officers that commanders have been planning triage approach to an expected flood of calls for service from citizens in the wake of violence stemming from the release of Grand Jury information in the Mike Brown case. The word has gone out that police will not be responding to a number of types of calls that would ordinarily bring police response.
Squad leaders have been telling their officers not to do anything pro-active and to stay safe. The theme among working cops has been primarily maintaining officer safety. The New Black Panthers have promised to kill police officers and intel suggests a primary enemy tactic will be to lure responding officers into ambush kill zones via calls for emergency service. That tactic was used in the initial flare-up in Ferguson, and resulted in police not responding to a call to a residence on behalf of a civilian female who had been shot in the head at the protests.
Lawful protest activities will be used as cover for a large number of violent crimes, including not only the expected looting and arson but also score-settling among tribal rivals, robberies, burglaries and other crimes of opportunity. There are elements that are out to destabilize society, and there are many street gang crews and common criminals who will seize the opportunity to take advantage of the anarchy. Finally, a heightened threat of Islamic terror attack is anticipated during this period of chaos when emergency response capabilities have been stretched beyond capacity.
Violence is anticipated to be widespread and essentially beyond their ability to get under control without military assistance. A period of 96 hours or so of anarchy and lawlessness without consequence seems to be a consensus expectation, beginning approximately 4 hours after the Grand Jury finding has been released. If that comes to pass, the worst of the trouble will probably not be the first night, but more likely about 48 to 72 hours later, with sporadic flare-ups throughout.
Intel suggests the violence-prone elements intend to use the lawful protesters as human shields. A body count is expected among all parties. For weeks, the enemy has been arming, recruiting people, bringing in reinforcement agitators from outside the region, laying in supplies, getting comms, safe-houses and fall-back positions in place, and the target selection process has been underway -- scouting, probes and recon-by-force activities have been detected in far south and southwest St. Louis county as well as west of the Missouri River in St. Charles City and County. Gun stores, cell phone stores, and banks in particular seem to be high on the threat list (that makes sense, since it takes weapons, ammunition, communications gear and money to fuel a revolution).
Understand that the threat profile is dissimilar from anything that authorities in this area have ever faced before, and that few in office understand the complete ramifications of that fact. No public leader at the federal, state, or local level has been able to get out in front of this situation, and all agencies are in a defensive posture, both from a tactical perspective as well as a political perspective. That means emergency services can only react and will not be able to mount any kind of effective counter-response.
In turn, these circumstances very likely mean that many law-abiding citizens will be lumped in with law-breakers when the authorities clamp down. For some time now, the "Us vs. Them" mentality has been allowed to fester in our police departments; "John Q. Citizen" is viewed too often as a PITA if not the enemy on the part of the authorities. We'll likely see official under-reaction followed by panicky over-reactions, in which curfews, road blocks and other extraordinary measures will have the effect of causing harm to law-abiding citizens as authorities try to "restore order." This is the pattern seen before in similar events elsewhere and because authorities here are behaving in a manner virtually identical to the authorities in those other events, outcomes will be similar.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)was it in an email? a board?
email?
Rex
(65,616 posts)From what I gather.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)but that's just myself.
something like this should be sent to the media. It's important and should not be just another post on a message board.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I noticed that this person lives about an out outside of Ferguson. I still believe that this is something that law enforcement (state police?) or the media should be made aware of.
I am afraid that this is a internet rumor. If this is truth, it should be investigated; if it is fear instilling, people should know.
Right now, I don;t know what to make of it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I'm not really sure what to make of it either.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)sort of assault rifle as his profile pic.
When you scroll down a ways on the page, you find out he and his SO made a trip to Mexico recently. But that doesn't stop him from posting racist jokes about Mexicans.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)it's a flyer.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)you know where it came from. It would be very helpful if you would fill us in on that.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)If so, he's not a friend. Be wary.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)He walked out his door and it was on it. He took it to work and showed it to me. I copied the first few sentences into Google, found the full text and pasted it here in this thread.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)I saw the flier myself from a friend at work.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)They desperately want the AA to do what they KNOW they would do if tables were reversed.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)of RW militia disinformation. It's written how they think police intelligence reports are written, it's as official sounding as the flyers I get in the mail telling me that Social Security won't pay enough death benefits to cover my internment.
I wouldn't credit it one bit. Not reliable.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Turner Diaries stuff.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the federal government?
This is a not-so-subtle incitement to violence, plain and simple. Hope state and federal law enforcement are investigating its provenance.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)What type of business does this friend work at that someone would leave this notice there.
The tone of this message is interesting, too. Kind of like the cops are telling the citizens, who pay their salaries, that they are on their own and they are all suspect. It also seems to have the underlying message that everyone needs a gun.
Gee, if only the whole case could just go to an open court.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)residence and took it to work, whereupon he 'shared' it with the OP.
BTW, kudos to you for flagging the overall 'tone.' I was keying in on specific words and phrases ("recon-by-force" .
logosoco
(3,208 posts)I am familiar with St. Louis and St. Louis County and I would be interested to see what neighborhoods they are spreading this in.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Ladue or Kirkwood, but that's just a guess.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)Ladue people could hire their own security (like that street in the city where the cop shot that other guy, names elude me, too many to keep track of). Kirkwood is not as ritzy (my mother in law is one of the last poor people there! My mom lives next to there. I went to school there. Don't think much of it, they pretty much wiped out the black community when they sold most of where they lived to put in a Walmart and other stores that could have built elsewhere.
I wonder what these surrounding cities are doing. This could be interesting.
Still wish they could just have a trial. Open and as fair as justice can be anyway.
If there is no indictment, to me it goes down as they knew the cop would be convicted and they are avoiding that.
Justice is just for some people. McCulloch is avoiding the ire of cops who he has to work with and maybe harboring resentment for what happened to his dad. He is not for justice.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)cop who shot Myers was supposedly moonlightiing as a mercenary for local businesses, IIRC.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)And way too much suspicion.
but I expect we are going to see more of this. The people at the top, the 1% know there are more in the 99% and they are afraid of them. And the cops work for them.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)And is giddy about waiting for their chance.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)incitement to violence.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Very creepy.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I don't like this OP at all. It needs better sourcing.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)My friends name? my name? The address where the flyer was placed in the door?
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)It was a creepy read and not what I expected when he handed it to me.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)but their shit stinks the same way.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)at his word -- rightfully giving the OP the benefit of the doubt -- it brings up the interesting question of just who is going around and affixing this piece to residents' doors anonymously.
It's like the Klan, minus the public cross burnings and lynchings.
Very creepy.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)whatever they call themselves now days, was leafleting neighborhoods (one nearby where my daughter lives and one near the southern border of St. Louis county out my way). I was glad people were reporting it and not going for their BS.
But still sad and scary knowing they are out there and making their presence known.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)sure what local iterations of the Klan are active in the area. I think after the FBI infiltrated them heavily in the 60s and 70s, they tended to splinter up, sort of like my Socialist and Communist comrades after the 1950s. Waco and Ruby Ridge breathed some new life and credibiity into them, I suppose, and Oklahama City represented the extremes of which they and their white supremacist cohort are capable.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)It made me sick to think I live around people who think like that.
I pretty much gave up on the Post, too. Their editorial slant was becoming very obvious.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)infamous East St. Louis riot of 1917 in which blacks were targeted by whites.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)You need a source or proof of this. Just saying a friend had it posted on his/her door (or whatever) is nothing but hearsay.
Other people in this thread have tried to ask you for more information.
I will refer to this post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025783458#post22
incitement to violence.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)I am telling you about an event at work. I found the verbiage online and copied and pasted it. I posted it in general discussion. If you can provide me with a reasonable explanation of what "more information" you might happen to want.
Believe me. Don't believe me. It's entirely up to you. I am after all, basing it on the trust of my friend, too.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I don't recall any recent race riots in Cincinnati.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The only people who ever talk about them are people from Cincinnati and hardcore white supremacists, who seem to have cathected on them, viewing them as as important as the Seattle WTO protests.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)"Lawful protest activities will be used as cover for a large number of violent crimes, including not only the expected looting and arson but also score-settling among tribal rivals, robberies, burglaries and other crimes of opportunity."
Crock of fucking shit. Looks like people are going to try to incite and then lay blame...