Listen, when a 29 yr old man has sexual intercourse with a 17 yr old MINOR CHILD, it's **sleazy**

[LaydeeBug]

to say the very least. That's how old Ted Nugent was when he became the legal guardian of a 17 year old MINOR CHILD.

Here in the great state of Maryland, it is *also* illegal.

I feel the need to stress this (again).

And how come no one has asked Mr. Nugent about his affair with Courtney Love? She snnounced she performed oral sex on him when she was only 12.

It is *time* to call him what he IS: a rapist.

Here is a link for his raping his ward:
http://books.google.com/books?id=HTMuhxamaFEC&pg=PA134#v=onepage&q&f=false

[monmouth]

1. This proves how out of touch the entire Romney family are. I honestly doubt they would have looked

for his endorsement if they knew Ted's background. I mean who doesn't know this history? At least the son who was so thrilled and thought it was so kewl should have heard somewhere along the line that Ted is a pedophile snake..

[LaydeeBug]

2. just *sleazy*, and I will NOT acquiesce to their reverence for this CHICKEN HAWK. nt

[Snake Alchemist]

3. I'd be careful of anything said by Courtney love after her recent comments about Frances Bean and

Dave Grohl.

[RZM]

7. Didn't realize Love and hear daughter were estranged

She seems to have quite a knack for irritating people.

I don't consider Love to be a reliable source at all. I see no reason to put much stock in her claim about Ted Nugent.

But Ted's romance with the 17-year old has long been known, so there is that.

[Snake Alchemist]

9. Absolutely. I just don't want ANYONE to start relying on Courtney Love for anything. nt

[JonLP24]

13. The reason why I would

is probably the same reasons you don't consider her a reliable source, I'm not an expert but besides the reasons people abuse drugs to feel good, people also abuse drugs to hide feelings of depression, intense sadness, trauma, etc. I can totally see it if she has long lasting effects from sexual abuse.

However, I'm an evidence based person so I don't either take what she says as it did or didn't happen and we would never know since it's he-said-she-said type of thing.

[Kaleva]

11. I believe Courtney later retracted her story about Nugent.

[TheWraith]

14. Correct, according to one of the few sources available on it.

It was said she later claimed it was a joke.

[Kaleva]

22. The story of Nugent & Love has popped up here at DU a few times...

and I recall members here posting links to articles where Courtney says she made the story up.

[emilyg]

31. I ignore what she says.

[Cleita]

4. Seems he and movie maker, Roman Polanski, should share a jail cell together.

Also, there are rumors about Arnold Schwarzenegger having an affair with a minor for years and while he was married to Maria. Put them all in a cell together.

[spanone]

5. romney sought out mr nugent for his endorsement...this is unfriggin' real.

imagine the shoe on the other foot

[MADem]

6. Keep saying it--pro-assassination child molester endorses Romney!

Let's know the candidate by the company he keeps.

[LaydeeBug]

40. perzactly! nt

[hedgehog]

8. Doesn't it become more illegal to have sex with a 17 year old

when you're her legal guardian?

[Zax2me]

10. Not sure. Ask Woody Allen.

[TheWraith]

17. Woody Allen was never Soon-Yi Previn's legal guardian.nt

[CoffeeCat]

41. She was a foster child living in his home...

What Woody Allen did to that minor was reprehensible and sick.

Does it really matter though.

Geez. It seems as if some people with power, status and money--feel that they
are above the law and that they can engage in molestation of minors. Let's
make sure we don't excuse the behavior and call it out for what it is...SICK. It's
about power and control too. It's not about sex. It's about dominating and controlling
someone who can be easily manipulated because they are young.

These people diseased and we should never ever excuse away their behavior. EVER.

[CBGLuthier]

42. When it comes to the Woody Allen thing, you are clueless

First, not a foster child of anyone. She was the adopted child of Andre Previn and Mia Farrow.

Second, she was 21 when the relationship with Allen began

and third they have been married now for almost 12 years and I seriously doubt that she gives a shit what you think.

[jp11]

15. Having 'power or authority' over a minor usually

negates any 'legal' consent that might exist in a state. IE Where a 20 year old might be able to legally have a sexual relationship with a 17 year old if the 20 year old has ANY power or authority over the 17 year old it is often 'illegal' to do so.

Various states have different ages of consent and accompanying laws regarding how old both parties can be.

[Zax2me]

12. Not in some countries

Depends.
Here, yea - it is regarded as sleazy.
I would say not so much in....maybe Italy.
Spain.

[onehandle]

16. Are you saying that Mitt Romney is best friends with a child rapist?

If you aren't, I will.

[eShirl]

24. I believe the phrase is "pals around with"

[onehandle]

29. What? Ted Nugent, avowed pedophile was Mitt Romney's best man AND is his VP candidate!?

I have no choice but to repeat this far and wide.

[LaydeeBug]

39. spread the word. He also lived in his own poopy-pants for a month, just to get out of serving his

country. He wants GUNS...but only if no one else can aim at HIM.

[Nevernose]

18. In many states that's perfectly legal

In Nevada, for instance, the age of (heterosexual) consent is 16, regardless of the partner's age. Creepy and immoral, obviously, but legal.

Courtney Love is still alive?

[Bluenorthwest]

28. The age of consent is the same for heterosexuals and for others, kid...

What makes you think otherwise?

[Nevernose]

34. Not in Nevada

Here it's 16 hetero and 18 gay, unless it changed last legislative session and I missed it.

[loyalsister]

19. This guy!

It says a lot when someone is meagerly respected for not doing drugs as he has also bragged about the number of women\girls he slept with during his touring days. No doubt many of them were under age.

[Bluenorthwest]

26. Uh, in many magazines in the 70's he said he snorted meth for days and did not wash

in order to get out of the draft. So snorting up lines of crank in an effort to skip out on one's duty really precludes any future claims of not doing drugs. I mean, I guess when not doing drugs, he was not doing drugs and when he was doing drugs, he was...

[Kaleva]

32. I had heard he ate nothing but potato chips for awhile and then craped himself

[izquierdista]

20. Three words you won't want to research

"Civil War veterans".

[Initech]

21. He is one truly sleazy, creepy asswipe.

I hope the Secret Service hauls his ass to Sing Sing.

[cali]

23. yes, it's sleazy but no it's not rape.

Again, I'd like to recommend Judith Levine's book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmful_to_Minors

Courtney Love? If that's true, yeah, it's rape. There is a big difference between 17 and 12.

[TeeYiYi]

25. He wanted...

...to have sex with me after a concert in '77 but I wasn't interested. He wasn't my type, however, he was pretty persistent. I was 17 at the time. I may have just turned 18. He was at least 28.

I don't think Courtney Love has any reason to lie.

TYY

[Warren DeMontague]

27. I think if you look up "Sleazy" in the dictionary, you see the Nuge's picture.

The guy runs around in a loincloth, for fuck's sake. Sleazy sort of goes without saying.

[zbdent]

30. Isn't that what they called Roman Polanski?

[cali]

33. I'd argue that there are big differences in the cases

Polanski was 43, the girl he raped was 13. Frankly, I think there's a big difference between 13 and 17 when it comes to consent.

[Orrex]

35. Nugent deserves to be called any vile name that can be imagined, and they'd all fall short

I'm not entirely comfortable describing the 17-year-old as a "child," however. A "minor," yes, but in other contexts we would be aggressively (and correctly) defending her right to make very adult decisions about her own body.


Of course, that absolutely doesn't change the fact that Nugent is a disgusting pig.

[cali]

36. thank you.

well said. We tread on thin ice when, because we really dislike someone, we make the kind of stretch the op does.

Sleazy? Yep. Immoral? Yep. Disgusting? Yep.

Rape? Not so much.

[LadyHawkAZ]

38. +1

[4th law of robotics]

43. Yep

If Nugent were an outspoken (if a bit radical) *supporter* of the president somehow I suspect this issue would be addressed differently on here.

He wouldn't be a disgusting sexual predator. Instead people who made a big deal out of that would be prudes or religious fanatics or partisan hacks prying in to the personal life of their opposition because they can't make real arguments.

[harmonicon]

37. Morals, schmorals.

If it's illegal, I guess it's as wrong as anything else that's illegal - this is why places have laws. It's not illegal in other places. Is 30 and 18 sleazy? 39 and 27? I don't see what the big deal is. I think attacking people for their consensual sexual relationships shouldn't be something that liberals do.