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kentuck

(111,103 posts)
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:00 PM Nov 2014

It was in China's interest...

When the Chinese people had to put on a carbon-filtered mask just to walk down the street, the situation was pretty bad.

In what could become the most constructive climate-change agreement in history, President Obama and the Chinese have come to a carbon emissions agreement.

This gives younger generations hope that our leaders do indeed care about our environment and our future. This could become the greatest accomplishment of the Obama presidency.

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Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
1. Yep. And, it didn't involve bombs, drones, boots on the ground, or sanctions.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:15 PM
Nov 2014

I'm not an Obama fan, but hat's off to him for this.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
3. The flaw in that agreement is that we'll be reducing emissions, while
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:28 PM
Nov 2014

China is still increasing them, with a peak of emissions in 2030. Our reductions probably won't even balance out their increases.

I'm not seeing a real benefit here, although I'm greatly in favor of us cutting emissions. China is not cutting emissions. They're just slowing the rate of their increase.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
4. I think the key part for the Chinese...
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:11 PM
Nov 2014

...was that they would increase their green energy production with the hope that much of the technology would come from US. They would have an incentive to get rid of their gas masks.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Yes. China has a huge problem, and is relying too much on coal,
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:14 PM
Nov 2014

which is in good supply there. It's just the prospect of their emissions increasing until it peaks in 2030 that makes me shake my head. Even if the US cuts their emissions enough to offset that increase, there is no net gain. A serious net gain is needed right now.

I doubt there's a solution, but I wasn't as impressed with this agreement as I might have been. Bravo to Obama for setting the goal of cutting US emissions, though. That's a positive step.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
6. If they change to 20% green energy on that timetable...
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:24 PM
Nov 2014

they may see that it is actually better to breate without a mask? At present, they are using about 4 times as much coal as us, about 4 billion tons per year!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
7. No doubt it will benefit some Chinese people.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:28 PM
Nov 2014

Conditions there are decidedly not conducive to healthy living. My issue is that the impact on climate change is not going to be there. Perhaps there's no solution for that.

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
8. If only Kentucky had influence in Washington to embrace this deal...
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:31 PM
Nov 2014

and work to diversify our economy so we could take our place in a more carbon-neutral America.

But we know that won't happen.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
9. Eastern Kentucky is in the President's "enterprise zones"..
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:46 PM
Nov 2014

Maybe some of China's green technology could be produced there?

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
10. I'd say that's counting chicken's a bit early
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:56 PM
Nov 2014

If you can't count on hope though, what can you count on?

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