So suck it up, negras. Or you will be met with force. Fuck Governor Nixon!

[sheshe2]

Governor Jay Nixon: Nat Turner “UpRisings” will not be tolerated if that cop gets away with killing an unarmed kid


WTF was this press conference for? Was it to tell the world and white resident police are getting ready to kill American citizens for protesting an injustice?

Jay Nixon gave a press conference to calm white residents fears to insure them they will be protected from the negras if the Grand Jury fails to indict Darren Wilson for gunning down unarmed Michael Brown. Does he know he’s not just the Governor of white people? Missouri officials haven’t learned a damn thing in the past 95 days. Dragging this Grand Jury decision out for over 95 days is equal to Michael Brown laying in the street for over 4 1/2 hours. They want to continue with business as usual and the negras better stay in their place.

Jay Nixon’s tone was defiant. “Violence will not be tolerated”. So suck it up, negras. Or you will be met with force.

No violence has come from protesters. The violence has come from police with tear gas, mace, dogs & rubber bullets against citizens protesting the killing of an unarmed kid as he was surrendering.


http://3chicspolitico.com/2014/11/11/governor-jay-nixon-nat-turner-uprisings-will-not-be-tolerated-if-that-cop-gets-away-with-killing-an-unarmed-kid/

Those poor white people they live in such fear. Kiss my white ass! You are not the ones being gunned down in the street with your hands over your head. You are not being stalked, you are not being profiled and you sure as hell are not being judged by the color of your skin! Fuck me, Governor Nixon seems to be declaring war on POC in Ferguson.

Hey you! White people did POC do this to you? Did they?



















?ve=1&tl=1







It happened before and it is happening again



Hey Jay, what the fuck are you doing to calm the fears of POC? Would you answer that for me?

[Mr. Mustard]

1. Well done - Thank You

I gotta say this, even some very and I mean very progressive people I know, suddenly become all "law and order" when discussing African Americans.

There's something in American culture that fears them to the bone and it is not warranted, at all.

Look at the history of African Americans and they are the most gentle, forgiving people on Earth, IMO.

If anyone or group has a right to hate, along with Native-Americans of course, it's African Americans and only when they're being slaughtered do they occasionally get angry in force.

Shoot, when a Tea Party idiot can't have his way in the slightest way, he's ready to kill.

Not to mention the obvious record of the Ferguson police department ticketing people for revenue and arresting mainly African-Americans.

Fuck Ferguson police, racists and here's yet more white men in charge telling everybody to get over it, and deal with it. Do it like whitey or go away.

Storms coming and it ain't going to be from the pasty, pudgy & whiny Tea Party.

[freshwest]

8. Agree 100%!

[mountain grammy]

13. I gotta say, Mr Mustard, I've heard the same thing from very progressive people..

Well said.

[KingCharlemagne]

17. Bravo! Two great sins America was founded upon: theft of land from indigenous folks already here and

theft of labor from African Americans brought here against their will and held in bondage.

As Balzac once famously quipped, "Behind every great fortune lies a great crime."

I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood. I had as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed, it might be done.

~John Brown, December 2, 1859

[sheshe2]

19. Thank you as well.

Well said. There is a storm coming. Yes there is.

Fuck Ferguson police, racists and here's yet more white men in charge telling everybody to get over it, and deal with it. Do it like whitey or go away.

[JustAnotherGen]

65. There is so much truth in what you have posted

[randys1]

151. Sure wish I had said it

I am afraid to say storms coming because i dont want to be perceived as wanting that

but for krist sake it is due

[Gemini Cat]

74. Well said and thanks.

[bettydavis]

121. not sure those people you think are very progressive...

are actually progressive. VERY progressive people are humanists who believe in innocence until proven guilty. Black people are no more gentle or forgiving than anyone else. I believe any group faced with the same bullshit over and over again would react the same. And that includes people who are given privileged status. Look no further than some African nations where the wealthy treat the poor like dogshit. It's about getting something for nothing that fucks people up. Getting shit treatment for no reason as well as getting great treatment for no reason. Injustice fucks the whole society up. But no group has a monopoly on forgiveness just because they loosely share some somatic traits. But I dig you. And if those pigs get off we all better go to Ferguson. Or they will come for us next.

[yuiyoshida]

183. Would love to K&R

your reply.

[MrScorpio]

2. Bravo. nt

[freshwest]

3. Puts the onus completely on the community and none on the authorities. What a one-sided statement!

He leaves so much out of that speech, it's indefensible! What planet is he from?

[Odin2005]

4. Gov. Nixon looks like a stereotype of an evil politician.

[ReRe]

43. He looks like a....

... pasty white evangelical preacher to me. Just looking at him gives me the willies. Ugh!

[RKP5637]

180. Yep! n/t

[KingCharlemagne]

5. Nixon means 'violence will not be tolerated' by citizens. Police violence, OTOH, will

not only be tolerated but encouraged.

He so reminds me of King George III talking down to a few uppity colonists.

Anyone care to caption the thought bubble(s) of the two black policemen standing behind him?

[Liberal Lolita]

60. not the best but...

Police officer 1 "Can I shoot this stupid SOB?" Police officer 2 "Why don't you get some white officers up here to protect your slimy a$$?"

[KingCharlemagne]

61. That's pretty good, I'd say! :) - nt

[Liberal Lolita]

62. Thank you!

[randys1]

154. bubble

cop 1: "Hey, did you hear there is no longer racism in America since Obama was elected?"

cop 2: "Yeah, I heard that on Fox News right after they said Obama was the most radical and corrupt President in history"

[LawDeeDah]

6. awesome post, sheshe.

[Cha]

7. Damn, the authorities in Missouri to hell! that's what they're trying to do to our Black Brothers

and Sisters!

Damn Nixon.. he has all the finesse of Atilla the Hun and just makes People more mad with his Get Real Tough on the Protestors, attitude. Yeah, that will work.

He better be speaking to the Police, too.. when he says "violence will not be tolerated".. We know they didn't want it caught on camera!

Thank you, 3ChicsPolitico and she!

[KingCharlemagne]

10. He reminds me of another Governor from a good ways back:

"If it's to be a bloodbath, let it be now. Appeasement is not the answer."

~California Governor Ronald Reagan, April 8, 1970

[Cha]

15. Exactly, KingCharlemagne :(

[sheshe2]

12. Yup!

I am in a bad place right now and I will be damned if I put up with his fucking shit, Cha! He can go stuff his white head up his white ass all he wants. It is white that his concerns are for, apparently so? He only Governs white people!? Screw people of color!? We want the white folks to feel safe and so secure? Fuck!

Fuck that and THIS IS A WHITE PERSON TALKING HERE!

[Cha]

35. Sorry, you're in such an understandably bad place now, she..

But, the silver lining is this Kick A$$ thread!

It's Infuriating for anyone who gives a shite about Justice for Michael Brown And those Beautiful Protestors out there pouring their hearts out For Michael!

Color knows no bounds when it comes to Fighting for Justice!



Michael Brown

[sheshe2]

39. Beautiful image Cha!

Color knows no bounds, true for many of us. Thank you trying to help me even my course. I am just so tired and angry and sad right now.

[Cha]

45. I understand completely.. I'm feelin' it too.. only not as

as harsh as you have to, she.



Michael Brown

[ReRe]

49. I call that photo...

... "The family of man," in honor of my Dear Mother.

[madokie]

42. I agree with you She

and I'm an old white man. The injustice we've done to the Native American and the African Americans and are continuing to do can not continue and we expect that there will be forever peace. I fear for everyone involved, me included.

[KingCharlemagne]

46. Some words from a very wise Turkish poet (and Communist):

On Living

I
Living is no laughing matter:
you must live with great seriousness
like a squirrel, for example—
I mean without looking for something beyond and above living,
I mean living must be your whole occupation.
Living is no laughing matter:
you must take it seriously,
so much so and to such a degree
that, for example, your hands tied behind your back,
your back to the wall,
or else in a laboratory
in your white coat and safety glasses,
you can die for people—
even for people whose faces you’ve never seen,
even though you know living
is the most real, the most beautiful thing.
I mean, you must take living so seriously
that even at seventy, for example, you’ll plant olive trees—
and not for your children, either,
but because although you fear death you don’t believe it,
because living, I mean, weighs heavier.

II
Let’s say we’re seriously ill, need surgery—
which is to say we might not get up
from the white table.
Even though it’s impossible not to feel sad
about going a little too soon,
we’ll still laugh at the jokes being told,
we’ll look out the window to see if it’s raining,
or still wait anxiously
for the latest newscast . . .
Let’s say we’re at the front—
for something worth fighting for, say.
There, in the first offensive, on that very day,
we might fall on our face, dead.
We’ll know this with a curious anger,
but we’ll still worry ourselves to death
about the outcome of the war, which could last years.
Let’s say we’re in prison
and close to fifty,
and we have eighteen more years, say,
before the iron doors will open.
We’ll still live with the outside,
with its people and animals, struggle and wind—
I mean with the outside beyond the walls.
I mean, however and wherever we are,
we must live as if we will never die.

III
This earth will grow cold,
a star among stars
and one of the smallest,
a gilded mote on blue velvet—
I mean this, our great earth.
This earth will grow cold one day,
not like a block of ice
or a dead cloud even
but like an empty walnut it will roll along
in pitch-black space . . .
You must grieve for this right now
—you have to feel this sorrow now—
for the world must be loved this much
if you’re going to say “I lived”. . .

~Nazim Hikmet

[randys1]

155. All Black people are my brothers and sisters, I am Ferguson, I am Michael Brown

All Black people are my brothers and sisters, I am Ferguson, I am Michael Brown

repeat after me

https://twitter.com/DidTheyLetUVote


All Black people are my brothers and sisters, I am Ferguson, I am Michael Brown

All Black people are my brothers and sisters, I am Ferguson, I am Michael Brown

All Black people are my brothers and sisters, I am Ferguson, I am Michael Brown

All Black people are my brothers and sisters, I am Ferguson, I am Michael Brown

#IamFerguson

[LeftInTX]

9. What was the purpose of the press conference?

Its reving up the freaking KKK.

[freshwest]

11. Ferguson Is Ready for Battle as Grand Jury Decision Looms

By Gregory Krieg - November 11, 2014

...Protest leaders bristled at Nixon's plan, saying it would cause more harm than good.

"For nearly 100 days, the preponderance of violence has come from the hands of police," community organizer Damon Davis told USA Today. "We have proven we can peacefully assemble and function at a protest. Can the police say the same?"

"Reactionary policing techniques" like those Nixon had doubled down on his message today were only going make things worse, said Ashley Yates, co-creator of Millennial Activists United.

She could hardly be blamed for coming to that conclusion. The governor struck a bizarrely harsh tone in his comments. The language of conciliation, so present and important in de-escalating the clashes in late August, was gone. The stage has been set, once again, for a dangerous face-off between a swollen police force and emotional protesters...

http://mic.com/articles/104080/ferguson-is-ready-for-battle-as-grand-jury-decision-looms

We know the KKK has several groups in that part of Missouri. And the Brown family out of frustration addressed the UN. The provocation isn't from the black community. When I was growing up in the South, it was the JBS, KKK and Nazis who wanted to profit by a race war to seize control of the federal government. We know which group now stands to benefit from inciting a race war and the dismantling of all democratic institutions. Is Nixon a Koch lackey like Bundy, Paul, McConnell, Boehner, Perry, Walker, Scott and the rest?



The Idiocracy takes no prisoners.

[KingCharlemagne]

16. The KKK is circulating flyers in the area warning protesters that

they are subject to being shot.

You can see a photo of one flyer here: https://twitter.com/mettawordlife83/status/532323739988291584/photo/1

I'm trying to get a solid link to the site whence the flyer originates, but no luck so far. Don't want to do any searching that would drive the KKK's site stats higher.

[freshwest]

23. They've always worked the race angle... And the gullibles go with it, like mindless robots...

There is NO reason or rationale for this other than what the 'new KKK' has stated... To bring down the Union and go back to the Confederacy where their retrogressive ideology will reign and there will be no escape.

It's the first thought that comes to mind when I see the OTT gun culture. They have been planning on this for over a century... no, much longer.

There are so many signs of reichwing influence in the world today seeking to subjugate others. They want a new dark ages with them in charge.

The GOP is bragging now they are planning their 100 year reign since the election. Expect nothing but trouble for another generation.

And after that, who knows.

[KingCharlemagne]

26. Link to story about KKK recruitment and the flyer in question. (You have to

scroll down a ways to see the flyer):

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/11/missouri_kkk_leader_says_ferguson_protests_boosting_recruitment.php

[freshwest]

27. Of all the treacherous, hateful things in the world today, instead of healing wounds, they do this:

What is going to take to stop these klowns?

No wonder the Browns are appealing the UN.

[ZombieHorde]

34. A pic of the tweet and flyer...

[randys1]

157. KKK, County DA, Governor's Office, all the same to me

[sheshe2]

31. Yup! And this fits as well, Nixons coming as well as the tin soldiers.

[freshwest]

38. We sang that in Washington, D.C. when we Mobilizes against his escalation of the war. The

obscenity is that the media in many ways was more supportive of us as a mainly white movement than they are of the black community. I am so sick of this shit, and white people are responsible to change this, not black people.

[sheshe2]

40. True....

Just like the Toni Morrison interview I posted. White needs to get a grip!

[randys1]

201. Look at that picture of what the cops are preparing for...why do they need all that if the cop is

innocent?

If this is such a clear cut case of innocence, if all the witnesses we have heard describe this as a kid being gunned down are lying and that didnt happen, why do they feel the need for all this?

[Half-Century Man]

14. Did he hold the press conference in Edmund Pettis Hall?

Here is a hint Nixon: If what you say makes Grand Wizards smile, You fucked up.

These people are not up-rising slaves, They are your citizens. The ones you swore to serve. Do your goddamn job and serve as the leader of the other public servants.

[Ykcutnek]

18. Horrible leadership in Missouri. This is going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. nt

[Oktober]

20. What's defiant about "Violence will not be tolerated"?

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Shouldn't that be a given?

[KingCharlemagne]

22. Jesus, do you even bother to listen to yourself before

you click on "Post my reply!"?

[Oktober]

28. Should I take that to mean that "Violence will note be tolerated"...

... is not a given for you then?

[KingCharlemagne]

33. Nixon can whistle Dixie out his butt but it won't bring

the Confederacy back. By the same token, he can say 'Violence will not be tolerated' but exactly how much impact will that have on those who are willing to risk life and liberty to secure justice for Michael Brown?

You are not going to bait me with your silly un-proofread word salad into endorsing violence. Not because of you, but simply because I cannot advocate that protesters take up armed struggle when I'm not there to put my own ass on the line in support of them.

[Oktober]

48. Noted... I'll put you down in the "it depends" category when it comes to endorsing violence...

I am curious how you think those risking 'life and liberty' will overturn a grand jury result if it doesn't go your way. Maybe you were thinking of a different kind of justice?

[KingCharlemagne]

55. I'll just bet you're busy compiling lists. Those risking life and liberty may not be

able to overturn McCulloch's kangaroo court decision, but they sure as hell can make life distinctly unpleasant for the self-satisfied affluent white residents of St. Louis County until such time as McCulloch recuses himself and a new Grand Jury is seated with a Special Prosecutor without ties to local law enforcement.

Message to St. Louis: You can have your racism and white supremacy OR you can have your comfy affluent lifestyles. BUT YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH! That ship done sailed when Mike Brown's body was left on the street for 4.5 hours and Wilson was allowed to flee the scene of his crime.

[Travis_0004]

68. If the grand jury no bills you can not call a new grand jury without new evidence.

[KingCharlemagne]

72. I'd love to get a lawyer to weigh in on that point or see some proof of your

(as yet) unsupported assertion.

[snooper2]

101. did you know that King Charlemagne was part lawyer?

He couldn't write worth a shit, and thus the term "lawyerese" was coined! One of his first laws was to slay Saxon pagans who didn't convert.

[AnalystInParadise]

129. I think St. Louis would enjoy peace

and no rioting. By the way, I am still waiting on you to tell me that if the Grand Jury returns no indictment, does that mean everyone in St. Louis that is white, is a racist? I seem to remember you refusing to answer that question.

[KingCharlemagne]

140. I don't respond to 'baiting' or 'taunting,' your efforts to dissimulate notwithstanding. Your

jejeune analysis and ignorance of the facts should embarrass you.

To get you started on the road to self-education, why don't you read Dana Milbank's piece from the Washington Post and summarize his points in a paragraph. Then we'll discuss. Until then, have a nice life.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-ferguson-tragedy-becoming-a-farce/2014/09/12/e52226ca-3a82-11e4-9c9f-ebb47272e40e_story.html

[AnalystInParadise]

142. LOL

Yeah......just what I thought. Disruption is not cool.

[LanternWaste]

218. The concept of a self-fulfilling prophecy appears to be lost on you

The concept of a self-fulfilling prophecy appears to be lost on you.

[randys1]

159. Killing unarmed Black men or kids for jaywalking is not going to be tolerated

If the white privileged racists of MO and elsewhere, where this shit happens, cant do the right thing, the right thing will be forced upon them.

I am hoping that force will be in a political way, not violent.

But white privilege commits violence against all minorities everyday, why is it OK for you or them and not the victims?

[sheshe2]

24. I guess it is all about who is behind the violence.

The protestors or the police. My bet is on the police.

[Oktober]

29. Hopefully neither...

[sheshe2]

36. The police are now armed to the teeth.

They have been prepping for a long time now. It will be them, they already showed us that.

Michael was murdered in cold blood and the police are out in force to cover that up.

[AnalystInParadise]

130. Really.... murdered in cold blood?

You have the results of the Grand Jury AND the results of the trial already? Wow, you really are a paragon of law and reason...........except you aren't. I can't even imagine the head explosions that will go on if the Grand Jury does not indict.

[sheshe2]

135. I have a bad feeling they won't.

They have seen to that:

Why Brown Prosecutor Should Recuse Himself

http://www.alan.com/2014/08/22/why-brown-prosecutor-should-recuse-himself/

And after all the shoddy police work and a history of corruption so bad that the Justice Dept. is investigating.

Not indicting Darren most certainly does not make him innocent. And yes he murdered Michael, because he could. FYI the Feds haven't even released their autopsy report.

[AnalystInParadise]

136. If they don't indcict

It isn't murder. No matter what you think, your opinion is not law. I am hoping for justice, but if it doesn't happen, I won't blame racism or hate, I will blame exactly what it will be. LACK OF EVIDENCE.

[WinkyDink]

174. I guess you think no racism was in effect for the OJ verdict, either.

[AnalystInParadise]

187. OJ was not guilty

definitely no racism.

[immoderate]

184. We could call it "getting away with murder."

Or isn't that possible in the equivocal world?

--imm

[randys1]

160. Executed is more like it.

WE are past discussing the details whether it be Brown shot in the head twice from 25 feet away when he is surrendering or Trayvon minding his own business.

Certain people support the police, no matter what, NO MATTER WHAT, if the victim is a minority.

[AnalystInParadise]

188. I don't support anyone

but if it comes back with no indictment, then he didn't execute anyone. Laws are pesky things my friend.

[randys1]

196. LOL wow

[AnalystInParadise]

197. I know

Impartiality is pretty amazing, I suggest you try it.

[randys1]

198. If the AA Community does what the white community would do without thinking twice

were the roles reversed the past 200 yrs, burn down the country, I wont know who to blame most, the racists themselves that shot the kid and then said it was OK to do that or the passive Americans that sat back and said they were OK with it.

[AnalystInParadise]

199. So guilty

even if the evidence says otherwise. At least you are honest that you don't give a shit about due process, law, and the truth.

[randys1]

200. Every single witness that is known to the world tells the EXACT same story when it comes

to what is vital to know

a. he was shot at least once already

b. he was 20-25 feet away from the cop when he was shot twice in the head while falling down

c. we have video of men reacting to the shooting, throwing their hands in the air to replicate what the victim was doing and these same people are seen to react in shock to what is clearly an execution

Does not matter if he was or was not guilty of stealing $!5 worth of cigars OR for that matter punching the cop while in the car, those details have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LATER SHOOTING

[AnalystInParadise]

209. It must suck being so WRONG about everything

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

[SalviaBlue]

98. Wishful thinking.

The police have shown us who they are. I believe them.

[freshwest]

30. The police are inciting violence from non-violent protestors and letting the KKK demons run amuck.

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I know I'm not being 'fair' to all, but can't Nixon get his act together? Is he afraid of something or someone?

is wrong with the state of Missouri?

Other than Rush, the GOP and Koch brothers. What's with him saying 'Miz-zoor-ah?'

Is that the accent there? Or was he currying favor with the Confederates?

It is getting crazier there and the citizens don't deserve this!

[loyalsister]

87. There are two competing pronunciations here

Missouree and Missourah
It's my understanding that Missouree is the correct pronunciation, but it's actually difficult to make that argument. People who grew up in small towns or rural areas (north or south) are more likely to say Missourah no matter how well educated they are.

As far as currying favor with the confederates, I think he has done that very well with his obsession with the DP.

The SPLC map of hate groups in MO is revealing. The state is pretty deeply divided. I have heard people say that traveling into some areas feels like entering an entirely different world.

[ZombieHorde]

37. The police have been violent while the protestors have been peaceful.

It would be like the Klan telling black people in the US lynching is wrong.

[Travis_0004]

69. the owner of quick trip might disagree. it wasnt the police who burned his building

[ZombieHorde]

102. That is a different use of the word violent.

If we include inanimate objects, everyone is violent several times throughout the day.

[tritsofme]

115. So the destruction of businesses since they are "inanimate objects" is a peaceful protest?

Surely I misunderstand you?

[ZombieHorde]

145. I wouldn't call that peaceful or violent.

I would call that destructive and disrespectful. There are legal ways to destroy businesses, and those ways aren't generally considered to be violent.

[Travis_0004]

119. I consider looting at burning down buildings to be violent.

[ZombieHorde]

147. Do you consider

the Katrina survivors who looted food from local stores to be violent people?

[WinkyDink]

175. So "consider." Just kniow that puts you in the same league as those who call

environmentalist activists "violent."

AND those who call corporations "people."

[NaturalHigh]

167. What about the employees who were inside?

It's a miracle none of them were killed.

As for your statement about inanimate objects, do you think it's okay to burn down businesses? A lot of people in the community were pretty pissed about it, and now a business that supported the community, offered jobs and paid taxes is gone. Do you think Quiktrip will rebuild? What will replace it other than a burned out building on a vacant lot?

[ZombieHorde]

168. "What about the employees who were inside?"

That is a good point. If the building was set ablaze while people were inside, then I would consider that to be a violent act. That is an extremely dangerous situation.

As for your statement about inanimate objects, do you think it's okay to burn down businesses?

No, mostly because of the danger arson causes the community. Some communities may feel that a business needs to be destroyed as quickly as possible, such as a predatory bank or a business that harbors dangerous individuals. If this is the case, then they may have my sympathies, but I will make that call on a case by case basis.

What will replace it other than a burned out building on a vacant lot?

Perhaps some stray animals will make it their home.

[NaturalHigh]

173. Thank you for your considered response.

I can see that you and I have a different point of view on this, but I appreciate that you respond with answers instead of insults.

[randys1]

203. Likely not the act of local protesters, but even if it was....I have an exercise for you, wanna play

Reverse everything the past 200 years, remembering how ignorant/intolerant/privileged/demanding American white people tend to be, myself included.

Now, imagine this group of people being first slaves, then 2nd class citizens, then Jim Crow, then 2 weeks ago being told you cant vote because someone 2 states away has the same name you have (a slave name, by the way).

Add in a few thousand lynchings, living like 2nd class citizens in every way STILL to this day, do you think ONE burned down mini mart would be the extent of the damage these people would do?


puhlease

[AnalystInParadise]

128. Good luck friend

the bloodlust of some of our fellows is up and they will not be satisfied until there is innocent police blood spilled. Frankly I find it sickening to see progressives siding with those who wish to cause mayhem and havoc in St. Louis, but I am just a stupid Mexican guy from El Paso that doesn't understand that all police are to be hated...........

[Rex]

224. You are so funny, making all kinds of excuses for cops and then yapping

at other people for saying they have already decided on a verdict. Must be amazing to be such a huge hypocrite and still be able to post with any credibility.

[William769]

21. Great post sheshe. Thanks.

[loyalsister]

25. No surprise

this is the guy who has overseen 90% of executions in MO as AG and governor. It's no surprise that such avid participant of the most sickening institutional bias is standing up for victims of reverse racism

[freshwest]

32. I did not know that about him, thanks. I was also reminded that MO was a slave state.

Missouri Compromise[edit]

Controversy over whether Missouri should be admitted as a slave state, resulted in the Missouri Compromise of 1820, which specified that Louisiana Purchase territory north of latitude 36° 30', which described Missouri's southern boundary, would be organized as free states and territory south of that line would be reserved for organization as slave states. As part of the compromise, the admission of Maine (1820) as a free state was secured to balance Missouri's admission as a slave state (1820).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_and_free_states

I'd have thought some of the states had become civilized since then. With all the KKK there, I was clearly wrong. And I don't understand how black people endure this.

[loyalsister]

51. Missouri is confused

It was a slave state, but didn't secede. A co-author of the 13th Amendment was from MO, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Henderson
and of course, Harry Truman desegregated the military.

MO has devolved since the turn of the century.

[freshwest]

56. Thanks for showing it's not been a solid line. I never paid much attention to MO.

[KingCharlemagne]

80. Hell, the Great Pathfinder himself, General John C. Fremont, was spanked publicly

by Lincoln in the fall of 1861 for prematurely executing a version of universal emancipation in Missouri (the so-called 'Contraband of War' episode). Lincoln eventually came around to Fremont's position but didn't promulgate it publicly until after the Battle of Antietam (Sharpsburg) in 1862.

[loyalsister]

84. He must have been heavily influenced by his father-in-law

They really must have had quite a relationship considering Benton's.

[KingCharlemagne]

86. I don't know much about Fremont's biography, but he was a fighter in the old

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school and understood that you wage a war against your enemy on all fronts, by denying him the means to sustain his forces in the field. Hence, all slaves in Missouri by Fremon'ts edict were emancipated. At the time, Lincoln was desperately trying to keep the so-called 'border states' from seceding and so couldn't afford to allow such a radical, total war notion to stand if it meant losing the border states to secession. It's a good thing we have civilian leadership of our military (at least in theory), as Fremont's laudable action in freeing Missouri slaves, might have jeopardized the Union, were it allowed to stand. Even so, I've always admired Fremont's sang froid and panache. He was a pathfinder in more than one sense (although, IIRC, Fremont's actions were in some manner preceded by similar ones in Virginia by General Butler, also rebuked and revoked by Lincoln for much the same reasons).

[loyalsister]

88. I read in Wikipedia that he married Thomas Hart Benton's daughter

Benton painted some pretty intense paintings depicting the populous around the time before and during the civil war.

It may be my own biases driving what I see here, but my perception is that he crammed a lot of persistent stereotypes of the white southerners into this one. And painted the black folks as the more civilized bunch. It's tough to imagine that the guy who painted that wouldn't have some influence on anyone who spent some time around him.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

41. No racism in the Democratic Party, huh? Gotta put us knee-grows in our place and make us

shut the fuck up and stop complaining. That sounds familiar.

[sheshe2]

52. Weren't you taking a break LS~

Good to see you and I am so pissed off right now!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

148. Well....yes...um...let's see....

*guilty as charged*

[sheshe2]

152. Lol~

[MadDAsHell]

44. Your post seems to be all about race...

Yet I watched the video that you yourself inserted and are flipping out about, and heard nothing about race in the entire clip.

What am I missing here?

[sheshe2]

50. It is about race.

The Governors name is Nixon and he sure as hell seems to be coming for the POC in his state. Just like Prez~ Nixon sent soldiers to Ohio and killed 4 students for protesting. You do understand the nuance correct?

[SunSeeker]

58. You didn't notice how he only listed violence by Ferguson protesters?

You didn't notice that he made not one mention of the over-the-top storm trooper tactics by militarized police that amounted to a police riot?

You didn't notice how he made no promises cops won't attack peaceful protesters?

Have you ever noticed even the most racist politician tend to use race neutral language or say it has nothing to do with race? Do voter ID laws mention race?

Did you notice the two African American officers positioned directly behind Nixon? Considering how few African Americans are in law enforcement in MO and Ferguson in particular, what are the chances this was just random coincidence? Have you ever noticed that the more cynical politicians, hoping to blunt the obvious racism of what they are saying, use African Americans as stage props, making them stand right behind to assure they'll be in the camera frame. Because, you know, how can they be racist if they have black friends, amiright?

[hfojvt]

97. actually he said a number of times that Americans have a right to peacefully protest

He also said that over 1,000 officers have received over 5,000 hours of training about the rights of protestors.

[SunSeeker]

125. That is very different from saying the police will not attack peaceful protesters.

When he said people had a right to protest, it was immediately followed by an even more emphasized statement: "But they do NOT have the right to put their fellow citizens or property at risk." (At 2:58.) And of course he will leave it up to the same tank-driving cops to determine what sort of protesting puts people or property "at risk." Last time, the cops thought anyone not constantly walking on the sidewalk was unacceptable. So just standing there apparently puts people and property at risk in these cops' minds.

Nixon made very clear that he will not allow looting of businesses, but he did not say he would protect protester from police attack.

If 1,000 officers got 5,000 hours of training over the last two months, like Nixon said, that means only 5 hours of training per officer. And I bet that 5 hours of "specialized training" dealt mostly with crowd control techniques and how to use all their militarized crowd control gear (he did mention they got new gear), as opposed to sensitivity or Constitutional rights training.

Nixon did not say it was "training about the rights of protesters." He said it was, and I quote, "specialized training...with an emphasis on protecting the Constitutional rights of peaceful demonstraters." That sounds like they were taught crowd control with pointers on how not to get sued. Seems they already know the pointer about keeping news cameras out by claiming "shots fired."

[MadDAsHell]

141. I guess we can make anything seem to be about anything...

If we get to pick both what the code words are and what they allegedly mean.

I respect your sensitivity to potential bigotry, I just think we need not try to be code-breakers on every word said in this world.

[SunSeeker]

144. No codes. I'm just going by what Nixon actually said. nt

[Gore1FL]

156. The African Americans behind the governor are not for show. They hold positions of authority.

The police officer standing behind him on the left is Captain Johnson of the MO highway Patrol. He took command after St. Louis County mishandled the protests earlier. He's not there for the appearance of diversity. He's a guy in charge.

The person standing on the right is Missouri Director of Public Safety Dan Isom. He's not there for the appearance of diversity. He's a guy in charge.

[SunSeeker]

169. Who seemed in charge to me was the Ferguson PD Chief and the National Guard.

Johnson was brought in and we were told he was in charge, but it became clear he was not. Seems they only gave Johnson about 24 hours, then FPD resumed leaking crap about Michael Brown without Johnson's approval and when the protesters were predictably enraged, the FPD and the Guard resumed their tear gas barrage. Johnson is a great man, but he was being used as a fig leaf. He was not "in charge."

Nixon did say in his speech the Guard will again be used against protesters.

Not sure what if any role Isom played or will play as Director of Public Safety. I did not hear Nixon mention him or Johnson in his speech, did you? Got any links for how Isom and Johnson will be "in charge" in Ferguson during any protests regarding the grand jury decision?

[Gore1FL]

176. I just told you who they were and why they were there.

If you want to consider them nothing more than "tokens," feel free. I think they've earned more respect than that.

As far as Johnson, not being in charge. Who should I thank for the competent turnaround after he assume pretended to assume command?

I suspect the National guard will be used in the command center as they were earlier this year. I don't remember anyone saying they would "be used against protesters." Do you have information suggesting a change in that strategy, or is this speculation?

[SunSeeker]

186. It is Nixon who is disrespecting them by using them as fig leaves.

It is stunning that you cannot see that.

And of course the Guard will be used against protesters. They sure as fuck won't be used against the police.

[Gore1FL]

191. I don't think that Johnson and Isom are Nixon's fools. I'll let them speak for themselves.

As far as the national guard, will they be used against anyone or will they run the command center? I am guessing they will run the command center. You seem to have information that you are more sure about than I do, however.

[SunSeeker]

193. Did Nixon let Johnson and Isom speak for themselves?

The video just showed Nixon speaking.

[Gore1FL]

208. Write them.

I don't speak for them, either.

[SunSeeker]

214. For men "in charge," you'd think Nixon would have let them talk into the mic. nt

[Gore1FL]

215. I don't recall Obama letting everyone in his cabinet and the joint chiefs give a speech

Does that make them not "in charge?"

There is plenty of room for criticism of Jay Nixon. You don't have to make things up. It's preposterous for you to judge these men based on their skin color.

[SunSeeker]

216. I'm judging Nixon based on his actions.

And no, the members of Obama's cabinet are not in charge, Obama is. Johnson did a great job for the day or so they let him control things, but then the leaks and all the crap the FPD Chief did started to undermine him. Then when things got out of hand again, the Guard seemed to eclipse Johnson's authority.

I wish Johnson was in charge. But Nixon has made it pretty clear to me Johnson is not in charge. Especially now that Nixon has declared a state of emergency so that the Guard can roll right in at the first peep of a protester.

Please tell me what I am "making up."

[Gore1FL]

217. You claim two African Americans are powerless ornanments for a press conference

You ignore the positions to which they climbed to.

When Johnson took control, he was responsible for crowd control of the hottest spot of the protest. He did a decent job and held himself accountable by describing the reasoning behind every action taken.

There are plenty of reasons to criticize Nixon. Coming up with insulting dismissal of two accomplished individuals in the process based on their skin color is what you are making up.

[SunSeeker]

219. I never said they're powerless. I said Nixon is using them as fig leaves.

I am not ignoring their positions, I am not insulting them. Stop your ridiculous and offensive mischaracterization of what I am saying. I have repeatedly said Johnson is a great man and did a great job for the short period of time he was allowed to have control of the situation--before FPD undermined him and reignited the protests. As I said, I wish Nixon would put Johnson in charge. But he won't. Hell, Nixon won't even say who is in charge.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/17/jay-nixon-ferguson-grand-jury_n_6174954.html

Nixon is using Johnson's reputation and skin color to attempt to show Nixon's actions are not racist, to suggest that Johnson supports Nixon's actions. Stop pretending you do not see what Nixon is doing. I mean, why the fuck does he have Johnson standing directly behind him (for full camera visibility) even in the subsequent press conference where Nixon is announcing the declaration of a state of emergency and use of the Missouri National Guard? Why doesn't he have the head of the Missouri National Guard, Maj. Gen. Stephen Denner, behind him? Shouldn't the press have been allowed to ask Denner questions, like if he'll have men on tanks pointing guns at peaceful protesters like happened after the Brown shooting?

[Gore1FL]

220. Isom and Johnson are necessarily disparaged by your assertion.

They are weak tokens by your assessment.

I disagree. I think they are empowered individuals who want to see as peaceful of an outcome to this travesty as possible.

There are plenty of things to criticize Jay Nixon about. The race of two involved officials who rose to their current positions is not one of them.

[SunSeeker]

221. NIXON is disparaging them by not putting them in charge.

I am not "criticizing" their "race." I'm criticizing how Nixon is using them--as fig leaves, to cover the racism of Nixon's handling of this. Johnson should be in charge, but he's not. That is Nixon's decision. And it's wrong. Yet Nixon has Johnson standing there behind him, to make it look like calling out the Missouri National Guard has Johnson's support. Why aren't you attacking that instead of me? You don’t answer any of my questions, or address any of my points. You just keep mischaracterizing what I am saying.

As Dems, we should be demanding the end of the racist, militarized response to Ferguson's peaceful protesters. Instead, we have folks like you, ironically, accusing folks like me of being racist for criticizing Nixon's cynical, racist moves.

[Gore1FL]

222. First the problem was that the people standing behind nixon were African American.

Once I provided their identity, the problem became, thye should have had a chance to speak to. Now the problem has transformed into "They don't have any power," (a claim lacking cites or examples, but I digress.)

I am not attacking you. I have never attacked you. I provided you with information you clearly did not know, Instead of including this new information in a useful way, you are bending it in order not to change your opinion. You are doing so in a way that disparages two people you aren't criticizing.

I would love the end to racist militarized police. I simply don't think suggesting accomplished African Americans are token blacks as an attack point against a governor is a way to achieve that goal.

[SunSeeker]

223. Bullshit. The "problem" isn't their color, it's Nixon using their color.

The problem, among other things, as I said from the beginning is that Nixon is using them as fig leaves to mask his racist, militarized response to Ferguson protesters. I never said they were "token blacks." I have repeatedly said in this thread that Johnson is a great man, did a great job for the little time they gave him, and that he should be in charge.

You objected to this fig leaf characterization, claiming they were in fact "in charge" and suggested I was criticizing their color. Both claims are false. Neither of the two men are in charge. Yet Nixon tried to make it look like they were, or that they supported his racist, militaristic response, by having them stand directly behind him in camera shot.

To suggest I am criticizing someone's color is to attack me as a racist. That is outrageously offensive. And if you agree with me that Johnson should be in charge and that we should not have a militarized response, you should not be attacking me, you should be attacking Nixon and the FPD Chief.

[Gore1FL]

225. I never attacked you as a racist

I am simply pointing out your goal-post moving argument was wrong at first, and continues to be so.

Nixon deserves a lot of criticism. It isn't necessary to criticize him about made up bullshit. I think we've been through this before.

[SunSeeker]

226. I was not wrong. Nixon USED Johnson, without putting him "in charge."

Johnson and Isom certainly were not "in charge" (as you wrongfully asserted in your post #156), as was pretty evident Monday night. I didn't move any goal posts. I maintained from my first post in the thread that Nixon was using them as fig leaves. You at first asserted I was wrong and that Johnson and Isom were in fact "in charge." Then when I provided a link to a Nixon quote showing you were wrong about that, YOU moved the goal posts by making shit up, claiming I said "they don't have any power" and laughably arguing I failed to provide a link for something I never said. (See your post 222.) I never said these men had no power by virtue of the posts they hold or that they did not deserve their titles. I just accurately maintained that they were not in charge in Ferguson. Which is why I was criticizing Nixon; those two SHOULD be in charge. But they are not. Yet Nixon tried to make it look like they were, like they supported his racist move of calling up the National Guard. Nixon used them to cover up his junk, hence my fig leaf reference. You may disagree. But that is what it looked like to me. I was just calling 'em as I see 'em.

And yes, you did accuse me of racism. You claimed I was "criticizing" their "race." (Your post 220.) Before that, you claimed I was "insulting two accomplished individuals" "based on their skin color." (Your post 217.) How the fuck else do you read that other than that you are accusing me of racism?

[Live and Learn]

47. Well said Sheshe2. Thanks for a great post. nt

[sheshe2]

53. I am tired and I am Pissed and so very sad..

Kicking for justice for Michael!

[sheshe2]

54. For Michael

[ReRe]

57. Sheshe2...

... It was a very irresponsible thing for Nixon to do. Now he's loosed the KKK. And the Grand Jury hasn't even announced it's conclusion yet. I just wish AG Holder would plant himself out there, have a Press Conference himself warning that no violence against peaceful protesters will be tolerated. Thank you for all the photos showing the violence of the Police State in Missouri!

K&R

[SunSeeker]

59. K & R

[Ken Burch]

63. Probably wants to be the "Zell Miller" of the next GOP convention.

After which, he'll lead "Democrats for (whoever the hell the 'baggers nominate)".

[davidpdx]

64. I saw a segment on AC360

Cooper had some guy on debating Sunny (can't remember her last name) and boy was she going at this guy for being a complete asshole. It is a good thing they weren't in the same room. He kept telling her she had no idea what she was talking about. OMFG!

[JustAnotherGen]

66. Mr.Mustard has pretty much said what I think

However - I hope the folks of Ferguson hold a good old fashioned sit it in.

They don't even have to sit down in the street - they can sit down on the sidewalk.

That visual of calm quiet protest - being met with violence by a State Government - works.

We know it does.

[KingCharlemagne]

76. Why should they have to martyr themselves passively, in order to rouse

white America's conscience?

Here's what Frederick Douglass had to say on August 3, 1857 (3 years before the start of the U.S. Civil War):

This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both.

Emphasis added

http://www.blackpast.org/1857-frederick-douglass-if-there-no-struggle-there-no-progress

[JustAnotherGen]

81. It's not about white America's conscience

It's about the long game.

I called my Aunt Clara last night to wish her a happy 89'th birthday. Ask an elderly black woman - she will tell you.


Everything old is new again.

We have a long hard road ahead of us. They are turning back the clock. The voter ID law that will come into effect in Nevada next year - it's just one more shot.

And I think we all know - that Grand Jury isn't going to come back with any thing favorable to Michael. WE - you and me - we both know it.

There is going to be a lot of anger - and they WANT it King. They WANT a reason to shoot people and slaughter them.

There is a way to protest that will paint 'that side' as ugly as they TRULY are. This is 'that' element in America. It's WHAT they are.


Silent protest, sitting down on the tax payer sidewalks - not hurting anyone . . . I quadruple, triple, double dog dare them to release the Klan, the dogs, and the pepper spray, and the tasers.

If they do it - Obama has to act. He's a lame duck - with an inneffective minority in the House and Senate. He's got nothing to lose.

[KingCharlemagne]

83. It would be the easiest thing in the world -- and the most hypocritical also -- for me

to advocate that people there take up armed struggle. My ass isn't on the line, much as I might like it to be, and I'm not going to argue that black folks and people of color there take up arms, since their asses are on the line. But I stick by what Frederick Douglass had to say 150 years ago and, should folks there decide to take up armed struggle, I will support them as best as I am able.

Gut-check time rapidly approaches and the voices that might at one time have credibly counseled non-violence (MLK, Jr. and RFK chief among them) have mostly all been silenced . . . by violence. I do hear what you're saying and I understand that attempts are being made there to organize massive non-violent civil disobedience. Maybe those efforts will succeed. I suppose we must not give up hope.

Here's what I hope: that not one more young black American is martyred for America's sins.

[UglyGreed]

67. +1000 great post

I watched Revolution 67 just a couple weeks ago and sad to say some things never change

[ncjustice80]

70. Typical Republican behavior.

When are the people if MO going to throw these racist clowns out of office and see that its the Democratic Party that has the people's interests at heart???

[Travis_0004]

71. Nixon is a democrat

[PFunk]

77. Thanks for confirming that. Sheesh. Though to be fair Nixon's seems to be a DINO

Still with dems like this no wonder his states seems to be going repug.

Note: is their any dems in that state that doesn't support this crap?

[ncjustice80]

124. If he.is a member the party, he needs to be dealt with.

The national party needs to step in and order Nixon to either
a.) Issue an apology to the Brown family and resign from governorship.

b.) Be expelled from the party.

[Oktober]

158. For what exactly? Within a legal and political context...

[ncjustice80]

162. His racist speech, heavy handed police actions, and victim blaming.

The Ferguson PD should have been collectively detained/suspended WITHOUT PAY while the State Police/Justice Department investigated the shooting, the coverup, and human rights abuses during the subsequent protests.

[Oktober]

163. Most of that would fall into a subjective category I think...

What would you consider to be good examples of racist speech and victim blaming, specifically?

[spanone]

73. k&r...

[Bluenorthwest]

75. I am reminded of Ronald Reagan as Governor of CA calling for a bloodbath to end protests at

Berkley.
I am also reminded of the first address to the country by President George Herbert Walker Bush at the start of the civil unrest which followed the vile initial verdict in the Rodney King beating trial. When Bush appeared on TV, I was with some friends who had kids and we were watching Bush whine out his careful statement and the 10 year old says this: 'He looks like he's trying not to smile. Why would he want to smile about this?'

[KingCharlemagne]

78. As a former teacher (came of age 6-7 years after RR's 'bloodbath' statement), I have

never forgiven Reagan for that comment (although he later tried to duck his way out of it by saying it was merely a figure of speech). I think it is also why I am taking Michael Brown's death so personally. 20 years ago, he could easily have been one of my students. When you're a teacher, you don't really see skin color, just intellect and potential.

[JustAnotherGen]

82. He was an absolutely vile human being

[Bluenorthwest]

90. Reagan's rhetoric was bad but his actions worse.

The list of things for which he should not be forgiven is a long list indeed.

[KingCharlemagne]

94. Agreed. Along those lines, I read a report that supposedly Lawrence Walsh was prepared to

name Reagan as an unindicted co-conspirator for Iran-Contra in the report he submitted to Congress, a naming that would have probably led to Reagan's impeachment and removal from office. However, prior to submitting the report, Walsh interviewed Reagan at the Oval Office and realized Reagan was already suffering the effect of early-onset Alzheimers and would thus be unable to assist in his own defense. So Walsh did not name RR as a co-conspirator.

I have searched high and low for the report I read that contained this allegation but, try as I might, have been unable to locate it. I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Walsh for that fundamental act of decency to the Reagan family but also to the nation. Would that Reagan had showed the same decency when opportunity presented itself.

[TheKentuckian]

179. That isn't decency, it is suicidal folly or active cover up. If the old fuck wasn't capable

then he should have been declared as such and removed from office and institutionalized.

If he was competent then he should have been charged as appropriate.

Either way decency would be much better served. What a putrid rationalization of dereliction of duty!

[KingCharlemagne]

182. It's a difficult call for me to make, given how much damage I trace to

Reagan and what has come in the last 30 years.

I'm only talking about Walsh's conduct, not anyone else's. I agree with you that Reagan should have been impeached and removed from office for high crimes and misdemeanors. But if what I read about Walsh's decision is true, he decided not to name RR a co-conspirator out of mercy and not out of incompetence or weakness, because Walsh recognized that RR was unable to assist in his own defense. (IIRC, Reagan's repeated professions of "I forget" and "I don't remember" convinced Walsh that RR was starting to lose it.)

I'm going to have to go back and re-read the history of the time (when I was in my late teens and early twenties). The 25th Amendment, Article 4 seems to apply here. I could swear I remember reading somewhere that RR's final two years in office were something like an informal 'conservatorship' where RR observed the ceremonial functions of the office but did not exercise executive power. (Maybe Nancy was speaking on his behalf?)

I appreciate your forthrightness and strong opinion here. On some days, I know I'll find myself in full agreement with you.!

[TheKentuckian]

189. I was speaking to Walsh's conduct, I can't even see what "decency" there is only shit stewardship

,protecting terrible corruption, and conspiring to prop up a President that at the very best and most charitable was not capable of discharging the duties of the office and it doesn't matter if if was FDR, Lincoln, or who have you. The Constitution does not call for any "informal conservatorship", that is subversion that places the nation at risk for the sake of games and keeping up appearances.

I don't get this tact.

[KingCharlemagne]

194. Your posts have prompted me to re-visit memories from my much-younger days, not least because I cut

my teeth as an activist in the Reagan Presidency -- on the Nuclear Freeze campaign, the anti-apartheid campaign and the solidarity campaign with peasant movements and uprisings in Central and South America. In many ways, I trace many of our current problems to Reagan's two terms in office. And I specifically trace a certain insouciance among public officials towards the Constitution to the lack of accountability for Iran-Contra. So in that context, I both respect and understand your positions here. And, as I said earlier, there are some days when I find myself in full agreement with your positions, i.e., there are some days when I think Walsh should have said, "Fuck it. I'm naming him as a co-conspirator and let the chips fall where they may." Such a hypothetical move would have led, I think, to at least the impeachment of Reagan and almost certainly his removal. Whether the nation would have been any better off with George H.W. Bush as President in fact for Reagan's final two terms is something up for debate. (IIRC, Bush Sr. -himself deeply implicated in Iran-Contra -- oversaw the watering down or even outright elimination of the enabling legislation that created Special Prosecutors who acted independently of the Dept. of Justice.)

[TheKentuckian]

195. I'm curious of what you think on the other days when you don't agree so much.

I'm not coming up with the counter point on my own. I'd appreciate the thoughts here.

[etherealtruth]

79. There is nothing to add to this powerful post. K and R

[BronxBoy]

85. Good Post

Notice how we have heard nothing from the powers that be about any sort of outreach or the opening of dialogue with the Black community....Notice how we never hear about how police practices that lead to these events will be investigated and changes made....notice how we never hear about tamping down on the use of excessive force by the police and on police misconduct when face with protestors......

As you say, "Stay in your place niggers or you'll be dealt with severely"

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[azmom]

89. No justice no peace!!!

This latina stands in solidarity with the people of Ferguson.

[JEB]

91. POC need their own tanks as

the police and Governor have turned against them. Who will protect them?

[grahamhgreen]

92. Looks like their going to use this as the excuse to perpetrate more violence.

[Red State Rebel]

93. Wait a minute - I live here and there was violence from the protesters

You cannot discount the actions of some of the protesters who threw Molotov cocktails, bottles of urine, rocks, etc at the police then looted and burned business.

Have you forgotten the pictures for the QT that was looted and burned?

I am NOT for police violence, but if I owned a business in Ferguson, you bet I'd want the police to let protesters that their looting and violence wouldn't be tolerated. There was one business that was looted, reopened and relooted the next week!

If the peaceful protesters can cull out the troublemakers, it will be better for everyone, no matter what color you are.

[KingCharlemagne]

95. "who threw Molotov cocktails" - funny, that line was always being alleged by the

Ferguson PD, specifically Chief Jackson. But, strangely enough, the media never documented a single instance -- NOT ONE! -- of any Molotov cocktails being thrown. Nor did any of the observers ever witness a Molotov cocktail being thrown.

So do you have any proof of that particular, aside from the pigs' self-serving tripe?

[Red State Rebel]

103. How is this for proof?

[link:http://www.lawofficer.com/gallery/rioting-ferguson|
[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

This is from the same group of pictures posted above.

[KingCharlemagne]

106. Uh, no it's most certainly not from "the same

group of pictures posted above."

Nice try, though.

[Red State Rebel]

108. I will get you the link. This IS from Ferguson protests - say what you will.

Just do a google search using Ferguson Protest Images Molotov and you will see it pop with all the others. Denial obviously isn't just a river in Egypt.

[KingCharlemagne]

110. You really should quit while you're ahead. Or not, as the

case may be.

I'm not going to document your assertions for you.

[Red State Rebel]

111. Wow, you don't take well to losing an argument, do you?

[KingCharlemagne]

117. We're still waiting on your 'proof,' oh winner of arguments. So far, all

we've gotten is a bunch of deflection, one photo of dubious origin and a lot of noise.

[AnalystInParadise]

131. No....he really doesn't

he appears to be hoping for violence.

[noiretextatique]

204. you do realize

that the police informants and undercover agents are often the instigators of violence, don't you? it is a common tactic.

[AnalystInParadise]

207. As common

as disorderly thugs who want to burn thing down? Nah, I don't think so.

[noiretextatique]

211. then you have no idea what you are talking about

yet again. google is your friend.

[rhett o rick]

133. Is that the only photo you have for proof? I saw a caption that said the were unsuccessful

getting that lit. So your proof amounts to this point of one photo that looks like some is trying to light something but never doing anything with it. Of the thousands and thousands of photos, I would think their would be plenty if your allegation were true.

[joeglow3]

172. How much effort does it take to be that obtuse?

[Logical]

210. So you are really claiming that the protesters did nothing violent? Really? nt

[KingCharlemagne]

212. RIF (Reading is Fundamental). This sub-thread was about the right-wing

propaganda about Molotov Cocktails specificallly, not about violence in general. But you're welcome to erect a strawman of this subthread so that you can proceed to knock it over.

[Logical]

213. Your welcome to continue to make stuff up. nt

[JEB]

100. If I was the mother of a teen shot down by police

I would damn sure want justice.

[Red State Rebel]

104. Peaceful protesting for justice is one thing - violent protesters are asking for trouble.

[KingCharlemagne]

107. Said KIng George III to the colonists at Bunker Hill. - nt

[Red State Rebel]

109. So you are advocating that protesters be violent towards the community and the police?

I'm just trying to make sure I understand you.

[KingCharlemagne]

116. No, I'm characterizing your response as 100% authoritarian, right in line

with famous last words uttered by other such authoritarians and would-be tyrants.

[AnalystInParadise]

132. So

If the Grand Jury returns no indictment, does that mean that every white person is a racist Authoritarian? Just a question.

[KingCharlemagne]

139. Well, it's not just a question. It actually falls under the category of 'baiting' or 'taunting'. Be

that as it may, your question itself reveals how woefully ignorant you are about what has been going on down in Klanville these past 3 months.

To assist in your education, please see Dana Milbank's piece in The Washington Post that calls the Ferguson Grand Jury "a farce."

After you've read that article and can summarize Milbank's opinion in a short paragraph, we'll talk. Until then, have a a nice life.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-ferguson-tragedy-becoming-a-farce/2014/09/12/e52226ca-3a82-11e4-9c9f-ebb47272e40e_story.html

[AnalystInParadise]

143. Actually it is in fact a question

I could define question for you...........My post is in fact a question and you refuse to answer because we all know what your answer would be and that would not push your agenda.

A question is a linguistic expression used to make a request for information, or the request made using such an expression.

So yeah, you are wrong.

[JEB]

112. They already have trouble.

A police force that has a green light to kill. A governor that supports the KKK over local citizens.

[sheshe2]

123. So why were the police teargassing reporters?

Journalists Arrested, Assaulted, and Teargassed in Ferguson

http://www.newsweek.com/journalists-arrested-assaulted-and-teargassed-ferguson-264610

I doubt they were looters and violently protesting. They were just doing their job. Your scenario just doesn't work.

[noiretextatique]

202. cointelpro, anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

[Blue_Tires]

96. I like how Nixon's people were savvy enough to put a couple of us in the camera background

[d_b]

99. lol @ the black stage props

so much cringe

[logosoco]

105. K&R

I wish this was something our country had already settled, but we can't seem to get it. I am still hoping things will change.
This has brought out some interesting things from my friends on Facebook. Sadly. I want to say to them, because they aren't even on the front step of middle class, that the cops will turn on them next. They need to be out in the streets as well, if it comes to that.
The number one thing the 1% and TPTB have been successful at is keeping the lower and working class fighting among themselves over skin color.
If there is not justice, the lower and middle class whites (some, I should point out, there are some who get it) will think it a victory, but they don't know they really have lost.
And I have to say, if there is no indictment, Gov. Nixon and one angry cop were the down fall of the city and county of St. Louis. We have a chance to get this right, don't blow it!
I will keep sending positive vibes to the people on the grand jury. Hopefully they will see that justice can find a way!

[KingCharlemagne]

122. Racism, sexism, LGBT-phobia -- all used by the 1% to keep the

working class divided against itself and confused as to who its real enemies are.

FWIW, I've done a little research and, in Missouri, 3/4 of the grand jurors must vote to indict in order for the GJ to issue an indictment. That means 9 of the 12 grand jurors in this case must conclude there is probable cause that Wilson committed a crime.

[randys1]

164. NEVER should have gone to GJ, DA should have indicted long time ago

[KingCharlemagne]

165. Small technical note, but DAs do not have the power to indict (a good thing). As I

understand it, DAs can either put their case for probably cause before a Grand Jury or before a Judge in a preliminary hearing. I'm not well enough versed in the law to know why a DA might choose one method over another.

It's actually a good thing that DAs in our system do not have the power to indict or all sorts of mischief might ensue. Better they be compelled to justify their reasoning and present their 'probable cause' before some other body that can serve as a check on their power to 'charge.'

IANAL, so am relaying my layperson's understanding of the system. I would of course willingly bow down before an attorney's more refined understanding of criminal law and due process.

[Calista241]

113. Nixon is an idiot, but what's he really supposed to do?

Bury his head in the sand and pray for an indictment? Nixon is a part of the government, and we expect the government to protect us and our property. That's kind of the whole reason for the government.

If there is a riot, and he didn't have any plan, he be eviscerated by the press and the voters.

[JEB]

114. Well the life of Michael Brown is supposed to be protected

by the government too.

[Calista241]

118. True. But it's not in Nixon's power to help Michael Brown at this point.

Nixon didn't care about Michael Brown, he doesn't care about the fate of Darren Wilson.

All he wants is for Saint Louis to not be a war zone later this month. That reflects badly on him, it reflects badly on the state, it seriously affects his career.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

150. He thinks doing this will guarantee his reelection. White folk will vote for him.

People are seriously denying that race has anything to do with this when all we've seen are whites in Ferguson and the surrounding areas cheering Wilson on and saying some of the most racist, despicable things? Either they're delusional or deliberately lying to themselves.

[gordianot]

181. The real interplay is between McCullough and Nixon for a Senate run, fat chance for both.

Fact is no Democrat wins anything in Missouri without African American vote Statewide. Nixon is an ass and he is not very smart.

[KingCharlemagne]

120. Nixon could have forcefully called for St. Louis County DA McCulloch to recuse

himself for conflict of interest. He did nothing of the sort and, IIRC, he, McCulloch and McCaskill were all peachy keen on doing things the way they have been done (which Dana Milbank of the Washington Post calls a 'farce').

Nixon's is a veritable profile in cowardice.

[jillan]

126. Where the F is his speech saying that White Thug Violence will not be tolerated against the citizens

of Ferguson?

Why don't we all contact his office? I think I'll start a thread.

[mstinamotorcity2]

127. Great post!!!!!

I think they are planning to let the officer off. I think they are going to incite violence to say see how they act. and yes it has been done before. that is the part they want Black folk to forget. those are the things they say they don't want to talk about. Those are the very things their beloved Rand Paul says he is for.

[napkinz]

134. K&R!!!

well done sheshe!

[ismnotwasm]

137. Excellent

[JEB]

138. Kick

[loyalsister]

146. It just hit me

The Klan story came out right after Nixon's statement. Clever strategy. If he says nothing about law enforcement for potential conflict and violence with their presence, he's going to look like he supports them. If he does express anything that resembles criticism, I can totally see him getting roped into publicly defending their first amendment rights or something.
We haven't seen this kind of collective anger, or what I expect to be very determined mobilization of civil rights activists for a long time. Especially with an organized, hateful opposing force posing an implied threat. I don't think Nixon has any clue how to handle it.

[winetourdriver]

153. suck it up

The beatings will continue until morale improves, etc. Same old same old.

[BeanMusical]

161. What a racist and fascist asshole.

[NaturalHigh]

166. Let's see - you make up a bunch of stuff...

that Governor Nixon didn't actually say, and now everyone is supposed to get all righteously angry about it.

"Violence will not be tolerated" actually seems like a pretty good message for a community that was torn by riots, including a few businesses burned and looted. No matter what kind of spin or racially-charged slant you want to put out there, rioters are bad guys.

[SunSeeker]

170. Nixon was talking about how PROTESTERS' violence won't be tolerated.

What happened at Ferguson was a police riot. The FPD and Guard showed up with tanks and tear gas and used them against peaceful protesters. This enraged the crowd even more, creating a vicious cycle. Sure there was sporadic looting, but you don't need tanks to stop that. And yet Nixon said the Guard will again be used against grand jury decision protesters.

Nixon made no pronouncement that police violence will not be tolerated. He didn't even acknowledge there was police violence.

[GoCubsGo]

171. Except that violence may happen either way.

I heard a story yesterday that gun purchases in the area have increased six-fold since the whole thing started. And, one doesn't have to look any further than the GD here to see stories that the Klan and other white racists are trying to stir up shit. Quite frankly, I think they're far more likely to incite riots if the cop gets indicted, than the other way around. And, I suspect this may be more of what Governor Nixon might have had in mind when he said what he did.

[WinkyDink]

177. Disingenuousness abounds herein.

[RKP5637]

178. I seriously bet many of the cops are just itching for this to go horribly wrong so they

can shoot up, kill, maim and gas a lot of them there N's. I think Nixon has done a deplorable job of handing this situation. And the city council and mayor seem totally vacant. TPTB instigate the conflicts IMO. We speak of Ferguson, but IMO there are many cities just like this across the US.

[Spazito]

185. He is appalling...

I watched his press conference live and was enraged at his comments. It was clear he was all about protecting his white constituents, trying to raise their fears against those who have the legitimate right to protest both him, the police, the murder of Michael Brown and the lack of justice for his murder.

I thought I had commented on your thread when you first posted it but I only recommended it so I want to say thanks for this OP, it is truth told for sure.

[sheshe2]

190. Thank you Sazito.

I worked all weekend and haven't had a chance to get back here. I am glad so many people saw this, it needs to be seen. Now I guess we wait.

[Spazito]

192. I am putting my trust in the DOJ, I have no trust in either McCulloch or the Grand Jury...

Michael Brown and his family deserve justice!

[Brigid]

205. Nixon sounds like Bull Connor.

So does police chief Jackson. They even look like him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Connor

[TBF]

206. You nailed it -

and they are not just going to quietly let this cop get away with killing the kid. They are going to immediately and very publicly reinstate him on the force and if anyone protests they are going to be met with force immediately. He's an asshole making a statement.