Kirk Cameron Urges Women to Save Christmas by Cooking, Decorating the House, and Singing

[joeybee12]

Oh, Mike Seaver, we miss you so!

One-time '80s heartthrob Kirk Cameron reminded us just how long ago it was that we crushed on him on Growing Pains when the evangelical Christian posted a Facebook message — directed at women — instructing them on how to prioritize their lives this holiday season. According to the 44-year-old, all the wives and moms out there should be focused on keeping their homes clean and families happy.

"If you are a mom, if you are a wife, if you're the keeper of your home, I want you to know that your joy is so important this Christmas," says Candace Cameron Bure's big brother. "Because Christmas is about joy and if the joy of the Lord is your strength, remember, the joy of the mom is her children's strength, so don't let anything steal your joy. If you let your joy get stolen, it will sap your strength."

"Let your children, your family, see your joy in the way you decorate your home this Christmas, in the food that you cook, the songs you sing, the stories you tell, and the traditions that you keep," he instructs. "Invite your whole neighborhood into your Christmas and invite the world into our story of our king and his kingdom."

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/kirk-cameron-urges-women-to-save-christmas-by-cooking-decorating-singing-141250143.html

[bravenak]

1. Why doesn't he tell husbands to do that?

He thinks wives are props.

[Vinca]

2. Or servants.

[woodsprite]

6. Wives keep the homefires burning, while the husbands are

out living it up chasing their secretaries around the Christmas trees at the office party.

[Iggo]

3. Kirk Cameron, making the War On Xmas a cakewalk yet again.

[badtoworse]

4. I never got into Growing Pains, but there's nothing wrong with his suggestions

[bravenak]

7. His suggestions are sexist.

[badtoworse]

9. How so?

[bravenak]

11. No comparable instructions for men.

[badtoworse]

15. That doesn't mean he thinks they should be just sit in an easy chair sipping eggnog.

The guys should be busy setting up the tree, putting up the lights, frying a turkey, bringing wood in for the fireplace, etc.

[bravenak]

19. He doesn't think we should control our own reproductive healthcare.

He wants to instruct us on what he thinks is okay. And what he thinks our role should be. Anti choicer's are sexists. They never have rules or instructions for men. Only women.

[badtoworse]

22. Unless I missed something, he was talking about Christmas, not reproductive healthcare

[bravenak]

24. It shows his mindset.

[bravenak]

20. I can put logs in the fireplace. I can chop wood. I can deep fry a turkey. I can put lights up.

I am woman, I don't NEED a man to do anything. Why should I?

[badtoworse]

28. My wife can take out the garbage, but she really appreciates it when I do it.

She can wash dishes too, but she likes it when I do it. She can carry the laundry up and down the stairs, but she's petite and it's easier for me to do it. Lastly and most importantly, she can put the seat down, but she really appreciates it when I do it. It's not about NEED.

[bravenak]

31. He should have instructed them to share tasks and spend quality time together.

That's what is important. The rest is just window dressing and consumerism.

[yardwork]

70. I'm a lesbian. My partner and I do all those things all the time.

It's fine for your family to divide up chores your way, but if you think everybody divides up the same chores the same ways, you're mistaken.

[badtoworse]

72. It's about doing things because you're spouse appreciates it vs doing it because you NEED to.

What drives your division of the chores?

[Nye Bevan]

29. Not to mention taking the garbage out, killing spiders, unclogging the toilet,

and assembling the toys.

[LanternWaste]

30. What's the precise problem with females doing the things you list?

As you specified only males, it seems to beg the question: What's the precise problem with females doing the things you list? If there is in fact, no problem, why address it to one specific gender?

[Quantess]

65. You might want to ask Kirk Cameron that.

[yardwork]

69. Women do those things too.

[pipi_k]

32. That doesn't necessarily mean

they're sexist.


Stereotypical...yes. Obnoxiously so.


Sexist? Nah.

[bravenak]

36. Stereotypical is sexist.

My husband doesn't even think like that. We don't do anything based on gender roles except he likes working on cars and won't let me touch his tools. I bought my own tools and he wants to borrow mine cause they never get used.
He buys decorations and stuff cause he likes that crap. I back cause I'm good and he sucks.
He cleans up and we share child rearing. We trade off cooking.

I don't hear from him suggestions on what women should do or not do, except 'don't take no bullshit!'

[pipi_k]

48. My definition

differs from yours, I guess.

to me, sexism refers to the belief that one sex is inherently better than, or more superior to, the other.


I see nothing in what that Kirk guy said that would lead anyone to believe that one sex is superior to the other.


Speaking of stereotyping, what would someone call the act of believing that blonde women are less intelligent than brunettes? Hair-ism?

Or stereotyping people of Scots descent as being more thrifty than, say, Americans? Money-ism?

Or stereotyping fat people as being more "jolly"? Happy-ism?

Not every stereotyping is an "ism"


This guy obviously has a mommy stereotype going on in his head. The happy cheerful mommy who bakes and decorates and sings during the holidays. That doesn't mean he thinks his mom was inferior in some way to his dad.

[bravenak]

50. That 'mommy stereotype' is sexist.

[badtoworse]

53. Just out of curiosity, do you think John Gray (the author) is sexist?

[bravenak]

55. How would I know?

[badtoworse]

56. He wrote a number of books about relationships between men and women.

The most notable one was "Men are from Mars; Women are from Venus". His main premise seemed to be that men and women are fundamentally different creatures. Neither one is better than the other, but they are quite different in more than just physical ways.

I thought it was a good read and it helped me with my relationship with my wife.

[bravenak]

57. That sounds familiar.

From the 80's or something? I think all humans are from earth.

[badtoworse]

59. Either late 80's or early 90's.

He makes the case that men and women think differently, deal with stress and problems differently, have different emotional needs, interact socially in different ways and are each better than the other at different things. He thinks it's a mistake ignore that reality and he gives advice on how to deal with those differences and respond to the behaviors that drive the other sex crazy.

It's a easy read and I'd recommend it if you can find a copy.

[bravenak]

60. I'll check it out.

[gollygee]

64. Yes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/singularity/2012/08/13/men-are-from-mars-so-are-women/

[badtoworse]

66. Jain lays out a counter-argument based on 20 years of research that followed Gray's book.

How does that make Gray sexist?

[gollygee]

67. Those same arguments were made when the book came out

but the new science bolsters the arguments.

[badtoworse]

74. Nature vs nurture?

What makes one view sexist vs. the other? Do you think Gray's observations are inaccurate or just his explanations for what he's observed?

When I read I read his book, my first reaction was that he's been hiding in the house spying on us.

[gollygee]

76. He bought into sexist stereotypes

and created a book series based on them. Yeah, that's sexist, whether he intended it or not.

[badtoworse]

81. I think we are going to have to disagree about that.

What he described in his book is a reality that I have observed my entire life. In fact, you implicitly acknowledge that it's reality by positing a different explanation. Accurately describing reality is not a stereotype and putting forth a different explanation, i.e. nature, is not sexist.

I'm more inclined to go with Gray's explanation.

"when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better." - Occam's razor.

[gollygee]

88. I don't acknowledge anything

He isn't describing reality. He's describing a stereotype. If you find that your relationship fits the stereotype, there are tons of potential reasons for that other than that the stereotype is natural or desirable.

[badtoworse]

51. Great way to articulate the point (and I loved the bit about Hair-ism)

[Arugula Latte]

17. Seriously? You don't see it?

Wow.

[badtoworse]

21. He was silent about what the men should be doing.

That doesn't mean he believes they don't have a role.

[bravenak]

26. Why can't they clean up?

Men like things clean. Why can't they care for the children while she relaxes? Women like watching football during the holidays. Why can't they decorate? Men like things to look nice. Why can they bake cookies and pies and food? Men love food. It's Sexist.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

39. I do make cookies and roast prime rib

My wife decorates.

[bravenak]

42. That's fair.

He just seemed to give alot of tasks to those poor women and I see nothing left for the men to do.
Be nice if he said do these things together instead of instructing wives like they are servants.

[Brigid]

49. Prime rib?

When.should I be there? What kind of wine should I bring?

[noiretextatique]

33. maybe their role should be decorating and spreading joy by cooking

as he suggests for women.

[Arugula Latte]

84. Putting aside that this whole thing is utterly moronic

(i.e. the need to decorate to show belief in and make happy a magical zombie carpenter from Roman-controlled Judea), why didn't he just say "people" should decorate? Why specify women?

[badtoworse]

85. Maybe he thinks women would do a better job.

Guys are good at setting up the man cave, organizing the garage and laying out a workshop. That's about it.

After we got married, the stuff I had in my condo (furniture, decorations, etc.) wound up out on the curb and it didn't take long

[Arugula Latte]

86. Well, golly, that's awfully nice of him to point out that the gals are better at this stuff.

[brucefan]

8. You talk about growing pains

As though it were a tv show.Its just that awkward stage Kirks going through

[msongs]

12. to be fair they are directed at just a certain subset of women...if you are this and if you are that

and not at all women everywhere

[noiretextatique]

35. here's the problem: he has no suggestions for men about their "role"

sexist assholes like him are always telling WOMEN what they should do and what their role should be. he has no such "instructions" for men. sexist assholes never have instructions for men.

[yeoman6987]

47. Maybe that is the next tweet when he finishes it.

[SomethingFishy]

77. Except in households where both parents have to work..

Full time jobs. Where is his suggestion that Men cook and clean and hang decorations?

This coming from the person that said "Banana's" are proof that God exists because they fit perfectly in your mouth. I'm still waiting for that little prick to pull that off with a Pineapple.

[badtoworse]

82. ...or a watermelon. That's no worse than what Ben Franklyn said

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

[MerryBlooms]

5. Christmas started on Halloween this year, what part needs f'n saving?

What a ridiculous man.

[niyad]

10. who is this blithering young idiot, and why should we care what he thinks?

[Archae]

13. Bill O'Reilly already has started his "War On War On Christmas..."

Blaming Muslims for that school canceling all religious holidays, since Muslims there asked for theirs to be honored too.

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/11/12/oreilly-blames-the-first-salvo-this-season-in-t/201547

[Initech]

80. Ah yes how could I forget this time of year?

[Arugula Latte]

14. You heard the man, ladies. Your lack of tinsel and Thomas Kinkade figurines makes Jesus weep.

[Initech]

16. Give me some of that good old fashioned misogyny.

[GoCubsGo]

18. Good thing I don't give a shit what Kirk Cameron says or thinks.

Nor, does any other sane woman (or man, for that matter) in this world.

[Different Drummer]

23. I have no respect for that twerp

He got Julie McCullough fired from "Growing Pains" because, apparently, he is too puritanical to work with a former Playboy playmate.

[shenmue]

43. Wow, and Kirk was how young at the time?

Wow.

[Different Drummer]

61. Not very old. The producers should have told him to take a hike...

but, of course, they didn't. After all, if there was no Mike Seaver, there was no show.

[City Lights]

25. Fuck off, Cameron.

_|_

[oldandhappy]

27. Come on Kirk, model it for us!

You can sing and cook and decorate! We need a role model. Do it!

[Algernon Moncrieff]

34. Yet no one addresses the War on Thanksgiving

A day in which Americans have traditionally paused, broken bread with family, and fallen asleep watching the Detroit Lions, is being taken over by retailers. Where is the outrage?

[noiretextatique]

40. christmas. the commercial version, starts around Halloween now

thanksgiving doesn't have a chance.

[shenmue]

62. Consarn it!

Eat, eat, talk, talk, football. That's how it goes!

[UglyGreed]

37. Hey I do that stuff

then I hope my wife will put it all back and clean up.

[Rex]

38. LOL. What a caveman. Does he still drag women around by their hair?

Fuck off Kirk.

[JustAnotherGen]

41. He forgot that part about

Church.


How did he forget the part about going to church on Christmas eve or Christmas day?

[Renew Deal]

44. Is he inviting his whole neighborhood into his house?

I'd like to see that.

[sarisataka]

45. No way

I'm not giving up the kitchen; no one else makes the jello mold right

The kids decorate since they are the most creative. My brother and I will cook. If the wimminfolk want to sing, that's fine or they can relax and watch a Christmas Story.

[Dawson Leery]

46. ISIS believes the same.

[Brigid]

52. A man trying to tell women what to do.

Yeah, that goes over well.

[HockeyMom]

54. I cook, bake, decorate, but

it is more for culture and tradition than anything religious. As an Italian Grandma myself now, that was the tradition in our family. Even back 50 years ago, my family was not very religious.

[badtoworse]

63. That's all nice, but the real question is the Feast of the Seven Fishes.

Do you do that?

[msanthrope]

71. We do 12. Seven is for quitters. nt

[badtoworse]

73. Excellent!

[logosoco]

58. Stay at home grandma here...

I guess this season, as I scrub the toilet bowls, I will sing "I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas", and "Deck the Halls" as I sweep the dog and cat hair.



I was born Catholic but became more agnostic once i started thinking about it. I appreciate the pagan ways. We need some glitzy goings on during this dark season. I think people like Kirk need to relax and enjoy life instead of worrying that everyone else is thinking in the same way. What a boring world that would be.

[Skidmore]

68. People like Kirk need to worry about the mess in their own

house and soul before concerning themselves with those of others.

[Warpy]

75. Oh, piss off, Kirk

Most women are out earning at least half the money that feeds the kids. With so many men unemployed, a lot of women are bringing in the only money the family sees, in addition to the women who have been abandoned along with the children.

So, cupcake, I'm afraid if you want that old time Xmas with the full time bored housewife Mom doing all the work, you're just SOL.

Ending the "war on Xmas" is up to you, Kirk, so you're going to have to get out of that La-Z-Boy and put forth some effort if you want the tree and all the trimmings.

[hifiguy]

78. What color is the sky in his world?

And getting ready for Festivus isn't that hard. Bring up the weights - for the Feats of Strength - and the Festivus Pole and hide the knives before the Airing of the Grievances.

[shenmue]

79. I saved Christmas by eating candy and snooping for my presents

when I was a kid.

[TBF]

83. I LOVE Christmas and

have already started preparations to make this year the shiniest yet! I'm also a wife and a mom. And agnostic. I wonder if Mr Cameron will add me to his holiday card list?

[jmowreader]

87. It's the June Cleaverness of this that gets to me

In Mr. Cameron's world, everyone's still in a situation where the husband earns so much money the wife can afford to stay home to keep a proper house, raise charming kids who never really get in trouble, and use her church as her only social outlet. It would be nice if women who wanted to lead that life - some do - could afford to, but thanks to his buddy Reagan and those Walton assholes, that lifestyle is now as common as Oldsmobile dealers.

[JHB]

89. I think I'll have a nice centuries-of-selective-breeding-by-humans banana....

...while continuing to maintain my current "rat's ass" count by not giving one to Cameron.