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daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:58 PM Nov 2014

Don't Ask How to Feed People, Ask How to End Poverty

This article in NYT speaks the truth:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/12/opinion/dont-ask-how-to-feed-the-9-billion.html

However, the reason people always want to frame the problem in terms of the economics of scarcity is solving the problem of poverty - doing anything for the greater good of the "public" really - involves redistribution. It involves transferring wealth from people who have it (perhaps unfairly, perhaps even through cheating and theft) to people who need it.

Our civilization has advanced to the point where it's gauche to simply not care about people starving in the streets and being made vulnerable to the most terrible forms of exploitation by their need, so the wealthy like to rearrange things in their head so as not to see poverty as need. They will instead see character flaws like laziness, bad decisions and irresponsibility, mental illness, welfare queens and scammers, corruption that's causing problems in what's otherwise a perfectly good system, problems they can't do anything about, "the poor will always be with us", or they choose to turn a blind eye and not see people in need at all. Sadly no one seems too worried about the poor actually rising up in violent protest of the conditions in which they have been subjected to.

Political activity at the local level seems to be increasingly discouraged as the GoP are hyper-aware that the first thing people in need will do if they use their votes is "vote money to themselves". In other words, people in need who are politically empowered and don't have the wool pulled over their eyes some how will vote for some sort of redistribution.

That said, there is some question over how this redistribution will occur. Will it largely be conducted indirectly through the building of infrastructure and the delivering of services like universal healthcare, so it won't look like specific people are getting "handouts"? Will people get tax refunds that feel like they are getting something back for paying into the system? Will the money go into shoring up social security and our eldercare resources? Will we demand the creation of phony jobs so it will look like we're "working" for our money and so all the moral philosophers in the peanut gallery be happy? Would we fund free trade schools and public universities and take a serious bite out of the welfare system as we routed people through schools instead? Could we have subsidized housing, keyed to income, everywhere?

The amelioration of poverty can only happen through SOME form of redistribution. It's a dirty word, but someone has to say it. Gruber, of ACA faux pas fame, got into trouble because he felt the American people couldn't deal with this concept. If Democrats want to do anything about poverty, they should stop doing the two-step around this implicit logic - and they definitely shouldn't try to obfuscate what they are doing in a lot of legalese. Just OWN it. Lay out where the money was stolen and take a little of it back on behalf of the American people.

Also, people in the activism world should be focusing GOTV efforts among people in need and teaching them that the vote is the way they ultimately change their circumstances and get their needs met. They should raise awareness of the long term connections between policies that affect redistribution and the way those ultimately shape the world we live in. We joke about how "all politics is local", but is it anymore? Do people feel very engaged with their local politics, especially the neediest constituents who are largely ignored because they can't make donations to candidates. Maybe they can't donate, but they can still vote.

Shifting the landscape of poverty in the US should become a prominent feature of the Democratic agenda if we don't want to look like "the other Republicans".

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Don't Ask How to Feed People, Ask How to End Poverty (Original Post) daredtowork Nov 2014 OP
"When I feed the hungry they call me a saint." KamaAina Nov 2014 #1
Yep daredtowork Nov 2014 #3
People Have been Arrested and even Killed for Feeding the Hungry Within the Past Few Weeks AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #5
Do you have a link for daredtowork Nov 2014 #9
It Was Discussed on DU Last Monday AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #11
Wa, in Oakland?! daredtowork Nov 2014 #13
"the Breadman" was murdered in Fresno reddread Nov 2014 #12
Thanks for the example. nt daredtowork Nov 2014 #14
When a majority of people finally admit that the system we humans function in is unnatural. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #2
We can't have real community until daredtowork Nov 2014 #4
People are frazzled from the mass PTSD caused by poverty. Poverty is an abuse by the upper class. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #6
I agree it's a system of abuse daredtowork Nov 2014 #8
The upper class thoroughly fears being outed as intentionally causing class abuse, as they do. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #10
K&R keep up the good fight N/T UglyGreed Nov 2014 #7
K&R RiverLover Nov 2014 #15
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
1. "When I feed the hungry they call me a saint."
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 05:00 PM
Nov 2014

"When I ask why they're hungry they call me a Communist."

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
9. Do you have a link for
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 02:52 AM
Nov 2014

people being killed over "feeding the hungry"? I'm aware of the growing issue of cities legislating against public feeding of the hungry and other attempts to make the poor "move along elsewhere". I was not aware anyone had actually been killed over this issue yet, though.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
13. Wa, in Oakland?!
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:32 AM
Nov 2014

Talk about a place where they need it!

My own efforts here have been in trying to educate people on how bogus the County's Social Service and "welfare" system is, while so many politicians just grandstand on the idea of "welfare queens" getting "free money". I hope it wasn't one of those lies that ultimately led to this man's death.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
12. "the Breadman" was murdered in Fresno
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:46 AM
Nov 2014

not for feeding the homeless so much as taking in a very bad person.
it can be a dangerous sport, and people have to be careful.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
2. When a majority of people finally admit that the system we humans function in is unnatural.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 05:11 PM
Nov 2014

It is an insane system created by people with insane minds in order to have complete control over others rather than seeking ultimate self-control.

We must end poverty. We must assert our equality. We must relearn how to share. We must relearn real community. We must not allow the insane to gain control over our lives ever again.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
4. We can't have real community until
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 05:39 PM
Nov 2014

the poor are actually participating in the community. The city where I live had the lowest voter turnout since the 1970s, and the City Council here is like a 1% scab on big poverty wound. They totally don't recognize how horrific poverty is for people in this area - they just go right on with their gentry-pleasing agendas, carefully plotting to keep themselves in power. There is no integration of politics in everyday lives at all, and my guess is that it's because people are so exhausted by everyday BS that they can't even deal with another thing. Politics is going to have to come to them. And not through email spam and phone calls: through block parties and asking people what *they* need.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
6. People are frazzled from the mass PTSD caused by poverty. Poverty is an abuse by the upper class.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 01:22 AM
Nov 2014

The class system must be abolished! A system of equality for all must be put in place of the insane class system.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
8. I agree it's a system of abuse
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 02:50 AM
Nov 2014

perhaps some real changes will start to happen when everyone starts to conceive of it as inflicted abuse rather than separate cases of "bad decisions" and "irresponsibility".

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
10. The upper class thoroughly fears being outed as intentionally causing class abuse, as they do.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 09:50 AM
Nov 2014

So the media continues the "bad decisions" and "irresponsibility" lies. These upperclassmen know exactly what they are doing, to exact a response they were intending to achieve, no bad decisions, no accidents, plain simple intention. The rich are abusers, haters, entitlement thinkers.

Imagine a life where abuse is not the ruling, or even a minor, factor. Imagine no class system. Imagine what real community would look and how it would function. Promote the meme.

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