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n2doc

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Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:53 PM Nov 2014

Justice Dep't Admits It Lied To Appeals Court about Companies' Ability To Talk About National Sec.

Back in October, we wrote about the appeal on the legality of National Security Letters (NSLs), which are secretive filings from law enforcement demanding information with a perpetual gag order. In 2013, a district court had declared that NSLs were unconstitutional, but stayed that decision pending appeal. While the appeals court judges seemed skeptical, it still wasn't clear how they would rule. So it's interesting to see that the Justice Department has just admitted that it misled the court on some rather important points during the oral arguments.

In particular, with regards to the First Amendment question, the DOJ had insisted that companies could discuss the "quality" of the NSLs it had received, explaining it this way:

There is a category that the deputy attorney general provided that recipients can make disclosures and there is a category of 0-249 so recipients can disclose that. They’re allowed to disclose within these bands. And they can fully participate in the public debate, they can say as we have disclosed we’re in that band 0-249 and it can say the very things that [EFF Senior Staff Attorney Kurt Opsahl] said they can’t. They can say and we think the government is asking for too much in many of the NSLs we received and we want to talk to our fellow recipients and see if they too have felt that there’s too much and we think Congress ought to do something about that. They can do all of that. There’s nothing that says that they can’t comment, they’re allowed to make specific comments about quantity, there’s absolutely no ban on them commenting on the quality of those they’ve received.
Except that's not true, and it was clearly not true at the time. The EFF asked the DOJ to explain this statement in light of other statements that completely contradicted that claim, and suddenly the DOJ realized that it had been lying to the court on a rather important point. So it has now retracted those comments, claiming they were an "inadvertent misstatement."


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Justice Dep't Admits It Lied To Appeals Court about Companies' Ability To Talk About National Sec. (Original Post) n2doc Nov 2014 OP
K&R Add to the constantly growing list of lies woo me with science Nov 2014 #1
Kick for shining light on corruption. woo me with science Nov 2014 #2

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
1. K&R Add to the constantly growing list of lies
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:11 PM
Nov 2014

from a corrupt, authoritarian oligarchy that holds only contempt for the mechanisms *and* the people of the democracy it subverted and replaced.

We don't have democracy anymore. That's what the Princeton study showed. Not gridlocked democracy, but united oligarchy. Corporate money floods Washington on both sides of the aisle.

Gridlocked democracy is an illusion carefully sustained through propaganda to keep Americans from figuring out that we have experienced a corporate coup in this country. We don't have democracy anymore; citizens have virtually NO impact on policy anymore, because it is purchased and driven by economic elites. We have united oligarchy, both parties purchased and working toward the same predatory corporate agenda and showing utter contempt for our mechanisms of democracy and the will of the people.


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