Sorry for my ignorance... Did Brown have a gun?

[tavernier]

Just curious since I haven't heard.

[still_one]

1. No

[TDale313]

2. No, he was not armed

[pkdu]

3. No he had Skittles and Iced Tea......wait

he had more than that ,he was a scary black dude

[blkmusclmachine]

4. Just being dark-skinned is "being armed and dangerous" to killer cops.

[obliviously]

5. your ignorance is noted

And excused as usual

[lovemydog]

52. Asking questions is essential to learning.

I'm glad people ask. It tells me they care enough to overcome some stigma about being a know-it-all. It usually tells me they are probably pretty darn smart too.

[bigwillq]

6. No (nt)

[randys1]

7. NO, but he did have Black skin

[onecaliberal]

8. No but he was black so it doesn't

Matter if he had a gun. He's was a scary black man
/sarcasm

[moondust]

9. No, and one thing that says

is that Officer Wilson DID NOT positively identify a gun or any other weapon (Brown had no weapons of any kind) before he shot multiple times at the victim.

[a kennedy]

30. He was shot 12 times.....

12 times

[mainstreetonce]

10. Why

was Wilson's gun unholstered because he saw a kid suspected of stealing cigars?

[sabrina 1]

16. Wilson did not know about that incident when he killed Brown. The Police Chief admitted that

Wilson had no knowledge of the cigar incident. He saw tow Black teenagers walking in the middle of the road and THAT is why he stopped them. Nothing to do with the alleged convenience store incident.

[mainstreetonce]

36. The police originally said that

Now the story iscthat he knew.

[sabrina 1]

37. Someone is lying then, either the Police Chief or the so-called 'prosecutor' or whoever contradicted

the Police Chief in the GJ room.

[krispos42]

11. Nope.

No weapon at all, actually.

[Recursion]

12. No one that I'm aware of has claimed that at any point (nt)

[Agschmid]

13. No.

[iloveObama12]

14. 12 shots fired by officer wilson huh?

tell me i didn't hear this from this prosecutor

[Rhiannon12866]

15. No. That's why shooting him was so tragic.

In every description I've heard of him since his murder, he's referred to as "unarmed teenager Michael Brown."

[Beausoir]

17. He sure tried to have a gun. A cop's gun. After he stole from a convenience store.

He made terrible decisions. Terrible.

[geomon666]

19. He also smoked weed.

Even more reason he should've been killed, right?

[Beausoir]

20. No. Being high while stealing and then attacking a cop and trying to take his gun

is no reason to get yourself killed.

But...it's an occupational hazard.

[geomon666]

22. Yeah, I just hope Officer Wilson can recover

from the savage beaten he endured. Plus he's going to be on the talk circuit soon and those vicious red patches of skin are just not going to look good on camera, at all.

[Beausoir]

38. Officer Wilson will be just fine.

Some dumb 19 year old man who thought he was invincible stole from a store and then tried to steal a Cop's gun.
Ended up getting shot to death for being a stupid criminal.

[rufus dog]

39. and your proof

1. He is dumb
2. He was 19
3. He stole from a store
4. He tried to steal a gun

[Beausoir]

41. That's a recipe for getting your ass shot.

Rob a store.
Attack a cop.
Try to steal a gun from the cop.
Attack a cop again.


Yep. You are going to get shot for that.

[rufus dog]

42. and your proof?

[Beausoir]

43. If you are still confused by the facts of this case....

you are not capable of logical thinking.

[rufus dog]

44. Dude, I was going to ask if you are stoned

So we clearly not capable of communicating.

Let's try again, what is your proof that Brown stole from a store?

What is your proof that Brown tried to steal a gun?

What is your proof tat Brown attacked, x2?

Simple fucking questions. Provide a simple fucking answer! Or are you not capable of logical fucking thinking?

[Beausoir]

46. Video shows Brown stealing from a store. We've all seen it.

EVERYONE has seen him ripping off the store and slamming around the old man who owned the store.

EVERYONE that is, except you apparently.


How does it feel to be the last person on the planet who hasn't seen Brown stealing?

[rufus dog]

47. OK, since you are only capable of taking one question at a time

I have seen him in a video pushing a person who came into him. I have no knowledge what was said prior to the video, what caused the confrontation.

So there was a shoving match, how does that translate into stealing?

Edit to add, you got one of your first statements wrong, we was 18, but that was not the last thing you got wrong.

[Blue_Tires]

23. I don't know whose sock you are, but you're going on the ignore list with all the rest...

You're fooling no one..

[WinkyDink]

26. So says the Man Who Shall Not Be Tried.

[tavernier]

18. Thanks to all

I honestly didn't know the details, despite being accused (??) of this.

I think this is a relevant point.

Given this information, why would the policeman feel threatened enough to the point of shooting him multiple times?

[Lurks Often]

29. In legalese:

Justification would come from a reasonable fear of death or grave bodily harm and a disparity of force, in other words Wilson felt that Brown was big enough, strong enough and close enough to either put him in the hospital or kill if he did not use his gun.

As for the multiple shots, police are trained to shoot until the threat stops and while I would like to see the evidence, my impression is that the shots were fired in about 2-3 seconds.

[Thor_MN]

40. 143 feet from Wilson's vehicle...

is where Michael Brown was killed. Wilson was so scared of him that he exited his vehicle, followed him and shot him... I guess that's reasonable...

[Lurks Often]

48. Police officers are expected to pursue suspected criminals

not just let them wander off.

[Thor_MN]

49. They are not expected to gun down theft suspects for fleeing

except in Hollywood filming.

[Lurks Often]

50. You're right

Brown wasn't shot for stealing, he was shot for allegedly assaulting a police officer, which is a felony.

Per the Supreme Court, shooting a fleeing felon is legal under certain circumstances: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

Whether or not this shooting met those standards is a legal gray area and until or if I choose to read the 1000 odd pages of the Grand Jury testimony & evidence, I won't say one way or the other if this was a justifiable shooting under Missouri law.

Sine you have obviously read all the Grand Jury testimony & evidence, could you provide a summary for the rest of us?

[Thor_MN]

51. No, obviously, I haven't read it, but you have provided plenty to discuss. Alleged assault.

I.E., not proven in a court of law.

Ironic that you would cite a case where it was found that Memphis and Tennessee failed to limit the use of deadly force. But pretty predictable that you would extract the minority opinion. The 6th Circuit Court of Appeals and the Federal Supreme Court found that using deadly force against a fleeing felony suspect was constitutional only where reasonable and based on the facts of the shooting of Garner, an unconstitutional shooting.

Let me spell that one out for you, "Sine you have obviously" (sic) not read your own cite, the shooting of Garner [b]was not justified.

Obviously since you side with the minority opinion, you believe that Brown's actions may have lead to rape and murder.

[Lurks Often]

53. Wrong takeaway

The Supreme Court ruled that under certain circumstances the shooting of a fleeing felon is legal, even if in the specific case of Garner where shooting him was unconstitutional.

I also stated that shooting Brown under the fleeing felon justification was a legal gray area and that I had not reached a decision on whether shooting Brown under that reasoning was valid as I had not gone through the Grand Jury data dump. Do try and not to put words in my mouth when I have clearly stated I had not made up my mind.

[Thor_MN]

54. I agree, you had the wrong takeaway.

You chose to cite the minority opinion. Enough said.

[Lurks Often]

55. If that makes you feel better

but we both know you are deliberately misinterpreting my comments

[Thor_MN]

56. No, we both know you are deliberately misinterpreting Tennessee v. Garner

[hugo_from_TN]

21. Are you handicapped in some way?

In prison for the last several weeks? Disrupter?

[tavernier]

24. Nice!

I bet you're great fun at parties, pointing out the "ree-tards" in the room.

I already apologized for my ignorance. I didn't follow the news story very closely. Violence involving children and animals makes me physically ill.

[MissB]

25. I thought your question was fine.

I didn't know the answer either.

To me, "Ferguson" has meant another black kid shot by a cop. My knowledge of the details may be sketchy but I "knew" that it was another unjustified shooting.

I didn't know how many times Michael Brown had been shot. Or whether he had a gun on him. I was quite surprised to see the picture of the cop's face last night. I think I was expecting the face of a much older cop.

Sadly these sort of things have been too frequent. Maybe I'm numb to the point where the details don't matter, even if they really do.

[WinkyDink]

28. A cursory glance at any of the tons of stories on this case would have uncovered this detail.

[tavernier]

31. I guess we are in the minority, Miss B.

Both my 'mute' and 'change channel' buttons are well worn. It's not that I don't think it's important to watch the news, but I often feel like I'm being assaulted when I click on my set in the morning. Our local Miami news is the worst... nonstop shootings, stabbings, rape, home invasion... I switch to the cooking channel in order to swallow my breakfast.

[WinkyDink]

27. SERIOUSLY?!?!?! The ENTIRE case has been WELL-publicized as involving a dead UNARMED TEEN.

[Katashi_itto]

32. HE WAS LIKE THE HULK HOGAN, OR A DEMON!

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/darren-wilsons-testimony-michael-brown-looked-like-a-demon-was-as-big-as-hulk-hogan/

[Iggo]

33. "Unarmed."

Where ya been?

[B Calm]

34. Where you been?

[tavernier]

35. Obviously not in Ferguson.

I live on a tropical island, and the conversations here are all about fishing and hurricane season. And I've already explained my revulsion to any news stories involving violence against children and animals. And frankly, every time I did catch something on the story, the details had changed. Like many, I was waiting for all the facts to be carefully studied and reviewed by people with knowledge of all the facts. We already knew that their decision would be controversial, either way.

But I agree that it was stupid of me to post the question when a google search would have given me the same information. But, hey, sometimes it's just interesting to see how many different names one will be called when one does something stupid.

[sakabatou]

45. No.