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The cops are the aggressors tonight. I'm watching it with my own two eyes... (Original Post) ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 OP
Watching Same SoCalMusicLover Nov 2014 #1
This is America? damnedifIknow Nov 2014 #2
And the world is watching this embarrassing display of police oppression. SMFH. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #3
Agree.. annm4peace Nov 2014 #4
the scope of what is going on Niceguy1 Nov 2014 #74
It is not the soldier that gives us freedom, it is the citizen. Dawson Leery Nov 2014 #5
I guess the F word is pretty dangerous... Kalidurga Nov 2014 #6
It's been a rage statement against since the vainglory of authority for 20 years. Volaris Nov 2014 #20
I remember rotary phones, my kids know what they look like. Kalidurga Nov 2014 #26
lol mine didnt. Volaris Nov 2014 #28
my youngest is 20, so that's when they disappeared :D Kalidurga Nov 2014 #29
yep. that 5 year span was when about when we got our first cordless handset. Volaris Nov 2014 #41
CNN reporters having to move - chaos shenmue Nov 2014 #7
I am reading it, on Twitter dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #8
Yup. I heard the cops on the loudspeaker trying to direct the cable news output from the scene. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #9
Did you see/hear report of cop car trying to run over protesters???? dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #13
I heard that but I did not see it through the link I'm watching as he became aware of it afterwards. ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #19
PS: If it's not tear gas, why are the cops wearing gas masks? dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #10
reporters on CNN had to put on tear gas masks nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #18
Why would they set off mere smoke bombs? Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #24
Yes, there is no doubt Cal Carpenter Nov 2014 #11
There were multiple buildings broken into before the police did anything. Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #12
And there is massive collective punishment Cal Carpenter Nov 2014 #15
There was an initial bunch that ran from the crowd right after McCollough's statement. I suspect ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #22
I saw the white guys who appeared to attempt to HubertHeaver Nov 2014 #53
OR, they were attempting to provoke the protesters into joining them. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #57
burning car wendylaroux Nov 2014 #14
Here in Canada, on CBC laundry_queen Nov 2014 #16
Tear gas confirmed by ABC news affiliates on scene. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #31
The 'gunshots' are ammo in the burning police cars Cal Carpenter Nov 2014 #34
Absolutely! Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #17
bassemmasri is really good wendylaroux Nov 2014 #21
He is good. I've been glued to his feed, and a couple of others. ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #23
bassem is a good egg Marrah_G Nov 2014 #25
He just got his phone stolen. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #44
So the cops AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #27
yep hugo_from_TN Nov 2014 #30
None of my feeds have shown that action Tsiyu Nov 2014 #37
What forensic evidence trumped what eyewitness testimony? Vattel Nov 2014 #38
Bombarding peaceful protestors with tear gas Cal Carpenter Nov 2014 #55
Police your own AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #58
I watched large numbers of protestors protecting businesses Cal Carpenter Nov 2014 #61
I am not an authoritarian AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #63
That "concerned" poster is on vacation. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author enki23 Nov 2014 #62
Patently False. Beausoir Nov 2014 #32
I reject your comment. I know what I saw. Bye. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #35
Are you watching it happen? Cal Carpenter Nov 2014 #36
Yeah this is unbelievable Tsiyu Nov 2014 #33
Did someone just steal his camera? Cal Carpenter Nov 2014 #39
Yep, I watched it happen it was nuts. dilby Nov 2014 #43
That's what happened? Wow! I thought he was running from the police! C Moon Nov 2014 #46
That's what I thought too but was listening while looking at DU tab. That sucks! nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #49
his stream was back as far as I can tell, so I don't think he was robbed. (edited) C Moon Nov 2014 #51
His Camera was just stolen. dilby Nov 2014 #40
Obviously cops AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #42
The Pigs only exist to protect their Capitalist masters and their property. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #45
Too bad they are failing AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #47
Just to protect a cop that shot a kid from going to trial world wide wally Nov 2014 #48
Just curious, delete_bush Nov 2014 #50
Chris Hayes said he saw only a couple of people go to the building he was watching burn and that ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #52
I see. Chris Hayes said that "he saw only a couple of people go to delete_bush Nov 2014 #59
Another scary thought... nikto Nov 2014 #54
And people wonder why Europeans are thinking America ain't a vacation spot. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #56
Not from the footage I've seen. Seen cars set on fire, flipped - stores looted... maced666 Nov 2014 #60
When I posted the OP I was watching four live feeds from the scene from people on various UStream ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #66
The New Militarized America. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #64
Any new live streams? bassemmasri was a brilliant stream! C Moon Nov 2014 #65
That one is the best I could find: BeanMusical Nov 2014 #67
This one is informative... C Moon Nov 2014 #72
Thanks! BeanMusical Nov 2014 #73
Don't you remember the pigs busting heads of peaceful Occupy protesters? workinclasszero Nov 2014 #68
, blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #69
I can't help but thinking that this is what the U.S. would (will) look like under a GOP president. C Moon Nov 2014 #71
The cops are always the aggreasors. ncjustice80 Nov 2014 #75

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
4. Agree..
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:33 PM
Nov 2014

once again there is injustice

anytime there is a college sporting championship there is sometimes rioting with cars turned over.

never have seen teargassing with those .. but one car gets vandalized and they lob one tear gas after another.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
6. I guess the F word is pretty dangerous...
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:37 PM
Nov 2014

cuz all I saw and heard was people saying F' the police then tear gas.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
20. It's been a rage statement against since the vainglory of authority for 20 years.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:49 PM
Nov 2014

My DAUGHTER likes Dr. Dre...I had to tell her he's been making relavant music since phones still had to be attached to walls.
Yeah, she didn't quite understand that, either =)

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
28. lol mine didnt.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:21 AM
Nov 2014

She's 15 I had to tell her about the really LONG phone cords so you could have PRIVATE conservation with your high school girlfriend in your room with the door closed, so your siblings couldn't listen in on your "phone sex" =)

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
41. yep. that 5 year span was when about when we got our first cordless handset.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:40 AM
Nov 2014

Problem was, we still had another wall mount in the house, and only one line, so you could be in the middle of your aforementioned "conversation" and anybody else could pick up.
We got really good at hearing that double click when the other line got picked up lol.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
8. I am reading it, on Twitter
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:38 PM
Nov 2014
Police telling cable networks that it's not tear gas, just smoke. Meanwhile, we have protesters on the ground confirming otherwise.

And I trust Tim Pool, Jeremy scahill, the local organizers who are live blogging in several cities where protests are taking place, esp. Ferguson.

Much more trust than anything on MSM.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. Did you see/hear report of cop car trying to run over protesters????
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:44 PM
Nov 2014

Just saw a pic of a police car now on fire, it was described as "the one that tried to run over protesters".

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
10. PS: If it's not tear gas, why are the cops wearing gas masks?
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:39 PM
Nov 2014

Someone asked a minute ago.

Good question.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
24. Why would they set off mere smoke bombs?
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:07 AM
Nov 2014

What in the world would be the rationale for that? Why would it help the situation to reduce visibility?

They'll lie to your face and crack your skull open. That's today's police.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
15. And there is massive collective punishment
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:45 PM
Nov 2014

with dozens of tear gas canisters and threats of arrest to the peaceful protestors..

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
22. There was an initial bunch that ran from the crowd right after McCollough's statement. I suspect
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:53 PM
Nov 2014

it was that bunch who smashed windows. There didn't seem to be any looting at that point. Meanwhile, the thrust of the crowd was back at the justice center shouting at the riot cops. Then a military assault group came up the street demanding they disperse. The protesters then turned their attention toward the cop car that either drove up amongst them, nearly running some people over and a short time later the tear gas started flying. At the cop car, some white guys in masks began attempting to overturn the police car but easily escaped when cops on foot showed up with bean bag guns. Their demeanor while doing that, relevant to the guys trying to overturn the car, seemed odd as they did not aggressively pursue the guys who were attacking the car.

Are you watching any of this?

HubertHeaver

(2,522 posts)
53. I saw the white guys who appeared to attempt to
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:04 AM
Nov 2014

roll the police car. They either didn't try too hard or they were incompetent.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
16. Here in Canada, on CBC
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:45 PM
Nov 2014

One of the reporters (Keith Boag, I think) said that he was just standing there and so was everyone else - standing there peacefully - and the police moved in and started firing tear gas everywhere.

Cops are definitely the aggressors here.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
31. Tear gas confirmed by ABC news affiliates on scene.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:27 AM
Nov 2014
Police use smoke & gas to clear violent crowds in #Ferguson. Multiple gun shots all directions.

ChuckGoudieABC7

Firing rubber bullets and firing tear gas can sound like gunshots...jus' saying.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
34. The 'gunshots' are ammo in the burning police cars
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:30 AM
Nov 2014

going off, at least according to the livestream dude's assessment.

Haven't heard anything from the ground about actual gunshots.

And you're right about the sound of rubber bullets and tear gas cans getting shot.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
17. Absolutely!
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:46 PM
Nov 2014

Protesters were chanting. That's it! Then the chanting is met with tear gas and military vehicles. The National Guard needs to be protecting the protesters from the police.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
23. He is good. I've been glued to his feed, and a couple of others.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:55 PM
Nov 2014

www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=5864693

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
27. So the cops
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:17 AM
Nov 2014

looted the liquor store, the meat market and the hair salon and also set those establishments on fire? Interesting. I have no idea what you are watching, but I am watching a livestream and MSNBC and I have seen a lot of protesters behaving VERY badly and cops showing crazy restraint. But then again, I also believed forensic evidence would trump eyewitnesses.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
37. None of my feeds have shown that action
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:32 AM
Nov 2014

except one cop car getting pummeled, and then protesters saying to stop.

I guess maybe the agents prov. knew where MSNBC would be.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
55. Bombarding peaceful protestors with tear gas
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:05 AM
Nov 2014

because of the action of a few troublemakers is 'crazy restraint'?

So you're a fan of collective punishment. Well, the good news for you is that you'll get to see a lot more of it, it seems, because things are escalating.

Funny how all the hundreds of peaceful protestors are painted as violent because of a small minority of those among them. I'm guessing you don't like it when people apply the actions of a 'few bad apples' in the police force (you know, like the one who shot the unarmed kid a dozen times and didn't get indicted) to all of law enforcement.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
58. Police your own
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:07 AM
Nov 2014

and you don't have some of these issues. The much larger crowd could peacefully subdue the trouble makers and deliver them to the police. You know.....police their own.....

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
61. I watched large numbers of protestors protecting businesses
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:14 AM
Nov 2014

earlier from a handful of people who the crowd was calling infiltrators and provocateurs.

That was before the tear gas and threats of arrest.

What do you even mean by 'police your own' anyway? This is a large community of mostly power less people. What are they supposed to do to 'police' thousands of people and make sure no one does something stupid?

In every single social movement of any significance, there are infiltrators. They've infiltrated labor movements, civil rights movements, anti-war movements, for decades and decades. How are the protestors supposed to 'police' those guys?

Anyway, I don't feel like arguing against an authoritarian right now, I'm going back to the live feeds.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
63. I am not an authoritarian
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:20 AM
Nov 2014

that is a bottom up citizen level solution.

Yikes.......now it is authoritarian to ask people to identify and isolate troublemakers. Good luck with that.

Response to AnalystInParadise (Reply #58)

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
33. Yeah this is unbelievable
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:30 AM
Nov 2014

most everyone has been peaceful, trying to stop looters and protect businesses.

Cops are right now kettling crowd, lobbing teargas into an area of parked cars - that can't go anywhere as they re blocked in by cops?

The cops are definitely trying to provoke an already unsettled crowd, but the crowd is remaining calm.


C Moon

(12,213 posts)
46. That's what happened? Wow! I thought he was running from the police!
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:48 AM
Nov 2014

The house they guy ran to is on the stream. Maybe someone can track the bastard down.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
51. his stream was back as far as I can tell, so I don't think he was robbed. (edited)
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:59 AM
Nov 2014

Yes. You're right. His tweet says he thinks it was a "police agitator" who stole his phone.
I imagine the police do watch the streams and focus in on folks like http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bassemmasri

Sux. fucked up and sux.

It's obvious they look at this like a war.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
45. The Pigs only exist to protect their Capitalist masters and their property.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:47 AM
Nov 2014

As long as Capitalism exists ALL cops are enemies of the people.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
47. Too bad they are failing
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:48 AM
Nov 2014

to protect the O'Reilly's auto parts store in Ferguson, MSNBC just showed about 3 dozen people looting the shit out of that store. I am sure it is for social justice or some other excuse.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
52. Chris Hayes said he saw only a couple of people go to the building he was watching burn and that
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:00 AM
Nov 2014

it was not set upon by a crowd or mob by any means. His paraphrased words were: It doesn't take many people to start a fire and this building was certainly not set up by a mob but only a couple of people that I saw over going over there.

delete_bush

(1,712 posts)
59. I see. Chris Hayes said that "he saw only a couple of people go to
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:11 AM
Nov 2014

the building he was watching burn and that it was not set upon by a crowd or mob by any means" means what, exactly? Because honestly this seems to be a very convoluted statement. Perhaps you can translate for me.

And there were still two more buildings that Chris was unable to watch, or did he comment on those as well?

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
54. Another scary thought...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:05 AM
Nov 2014

How many of the cops now on the scene are PTSD-suffering veterans of Iraq/Afghanistan, etc?



Those protestors must bring those war-vet police psychologically right back to patrolling the streets
of Iraq/Afghanistan where they... ?

 

maced666

(771 posts)
60. Not from the footage I've seen. Seen cars set on fire, flipped - stores looted...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:13 AM
Nov 2014

And a bunch of cops just standing around doing nothing.
What the heck are you watching...

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
66. When I posted the OP I was watching four live feeds from the scene from people on various UStream
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:57 AM
Nov 2014

and Youtube channels as well as Tim Pool's coverage at Vice and Fusion. I also had TV's on MSNBC, CNN, and Fox.

What the heck were you watching?

I have my own breaking events command center in my office. Looks like the bridge of the USS Enterprise with a red alert light in the ceiling and lights blinking and monitors glowing.

I did have a claxon, but the neighbors complained. Now they're bitching about the brownouts my command center is periodically causing in my apartment building.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
68. Don't you remember the pigs busting heads of peaceful Occupy protesters?
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:10 AM
Nov 2014

Any threat to the white corporate power structure in Amerika will be met with violence and death by the militarized fascist police forces that protect the 1%ers.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
71. I can't help but thinking that this is what the U.S. would (will) look like under a GOP president.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:29 AM
Nov 2014

I'm watching a live stream on ArgusNewsNow.com, and this is scary shit!
Several buildings on fire and unattended by firefighters; scared officers putting on gas masks; people walking and driving by screaming and honking....complete chaos!
There is ZERO control.

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