Reporters & protesters confirm all agitation and violence started...

[Triana]

SOURCE: https://twitter.com/TheAnonMessage/status/537100980564029440

[PAProgressive28]

1. I was watching the Livestream

Everyone was marching peacefully - some more angry than others - and forming human chains in front of stores to protect them. All the sudden the cops coming rolling down the street like the tanks in Tienanmen Square and shot tear gas indiscriminately at people and houses. That's when things fell apart.

[daleanime]

2. And if that hadn't worked...

some thing else would have been done.

[X_Digger]

3. Wait, a shot in the air causes folks to up and loot an O'Reilly's Auto Parts? How's that work?

And I'm still waiting for Anonymous to release that "secret data" that was due.. what.. Thursday?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

4. So, you're saying ALL of the protesters are guilty for what the bad actors do? Are you

generalizing? What are you saying?

[X_Digger]

5. No, I'm just trying to understand how A leads to B (logically). I can't. n/t

[jillan]

6. I'm just trying to understand how Michael Brown ended up murdered?

Thrown in jail? I'd understand.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

7. With 12 shots even! nt

[X_Digger]

10. See, that's what I'm talking about- complete non-sequitur to my post.

How does a shot in the air lead to looting? Were the looters lined up like athletes at a track meet, and they mistook the shot for a starter pistol?

[Agschmid]

16. It doesn't.

[JaneyVee]

32. This country was looted for its land, built by stolen labor,

And powered by stolen resources from poor countries.

[truedelphi]

8. Maybe you have never heard of agent provocateurs, but

They were out in force during the Vietnam protest days, and I doubt the idea has died away. (In fact the idea was central idea to Operation Paperclip and COINTELPRO.)

Our government has been itching for this situation to blow up -- all those many Dept of Homeland personnel and vehicles and weapons sitting not that far away, with the unit commanders waiting to know when they can begin to move in on the people of Ferguson.


There are a shitload of folks who make shitloads of money off agencies like DHS, and if the "agency resources" never get used, it is much harder to have Congress approve of offering more monies for the personnel, vehicles, weapons et al.

And here is a web story about a man who has gotten himself in a lot of trouble for taking photos of the many Homeland Security vehcles at a nearby town's hotel:

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2014/11/24/man-who-leaked-dhs-pictures-branded-a-terrorist-you-will-be-incarcerated/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pakalert+%28Pak+Alert+Press%29
.

[southerncrone]

13. Watching this is like watching an action movie.

Looks very staged--Hollywood style--to me. A "Wag the Dog" event.

Most of the citizens look to be strolling down the street or watching the goings on as if they were at a sporting event, or some other type of entertainment. Things did not escalate for quite some time & then it was like dominoes falling. All nicely concentrated in an area that was easily filmed for the greatest effect.

I have never seen any car burn so hard, for so long. That is Hollywood. If that model of vehicle will burn that strongly, for that long, then they need to be immediately recalled because they are too dangerous to park in our garages or on our streets.

Looks like the police have all these "toys" they got for Christmas last year & NOW they finally have a chance to "play w/them".

JMO

[Midnight Writer]

18. Mission Accomplished

The reaction was planned. It was foreshadowed by weeks of leaks and news coverage that were designed to outrage. Look at the splitscreen on CNN today showing Officer Wilson and Michael Brown. The shots of Brown are cropped to make his image fill the entire screen, emphasizing his large build. The shots of Wilson are taken from a distance with no perspective to reveal that he is as tall as Wilson. Sean Hannity on Fox is playing "Cities On Flame" by Blue Oyster Cult as the "theme song" for his Ferguson coverage.

The police car was allowed to burn in the street with no attempt by the hundreds of cops to put out or control the fire, giving the media image that justifies a full-on response, as well as emboldening the troublemakers.

Shots fired, (supposedly by protesters) but no targets hit? Really?

The authorities are using this tragedy and the media to send a message, the same message sent by leaving Michael Brown's body laying in the street for hours.

The message to white folks; we are using force to protect you from black rioters and scary criminals..

The message to black folks; we will use force against you to keep you in your place, and we will get away with it.

[LittleGirl]

22. Ding Ding Ding - thread winner!! eom

[jwirr]

23. I spotted the police car as a decoy immediately. No one in their right mind would leave a police car

setting out in the open unguarded when they were expecting a riot. That goes for both cars. They may even had started to fire in the second one themselves.

I also think you are correct regarding the two messages. But unfortunately I don't think anyone is going to listen to the second one.

[truedelphi]

24. Very much agree.

I turned on the TV earlier tonight. I never watch CNN, but thought they would have up to the minute reports.

There was a young woman reporter, possibly a Latina, and she was reporting on the fire burning at the Auto Zone store. She seemed very objective and yet very involved, and I was caught up in the professionalism of her report.

Then the CNN male reporter cut in, and said, "Look there are rocks being thrown in your vicinity - we have to be getting you out of the area."

The woman reporter replied, "The rocks being thrown are down the street from me, and not near me." She appered to be very resistant to having to leave her post. And indeed, since the camera was focusing on her, if there were rocks being thrown at her, the viewers like me would be seeing them come into view.

But that male reporter wanted her out of the story. It reminded me so much of the day in October 2003, when I first lost all respect for CNN. It was the day when Wellstone's plane went down, and the local Everet MN reporter (A woman, again!) was telling the viewers that the weather had not been a factor at all, and then Wolf Bitzer came rushing up to her and tried to pull her microphone away. Blitzer began to say, "We are taking over here now, to bring you the latest, where the weather has just brought down Sen Wellstone's plane." And the woman reporter was ballsy enough to openly contradict Wolf Blitzer, saying into the mic, "Well, no the weather really was not a factor." He of course insisted the weather was to blame, and he forced her to leave. Since then, I have always seen Blitzer as being CIA.

I was so pissed about coverge of Wellstone's plane that by early the following week, I sent off for the National Transportation Safety Board's report on the accident. When the report was concluded, the government sent me the report.

I gave the report to someone I knew at the time, a man who just a decade earlier had headed up one of the main Social Service divisions for the City of San Francisco. This man was a private plane owner and pilot. When he got back to me, he said that what seemed remarkable to him was this -- the manner that Wellstone's plane had burned, on and on for hours after the plane crash - this was not a normal conflagration. And that echoes what you are saying about the police car that you viewed as being on fire for fr too long as well.

Apparently when govenrment agents plan for fires, they use some type of accelerant that allows for far too much fire to burn for far too long.

[Atticus]

11. Have you never been just supremely pissed off?

Have you never had one of those terrible days when everything seemed to go wrong no matter how hard you tried and the world seemed to be standing in line to shit on you? Have you ever had people just deliberately screw with you and then laugh at you when you got upset?

If not, good for you, but a lot people have five of those days every week. And, eventually some relatively small incident is just the proverbial "last straw" and they react with "The hell with it! I'm not going to put up with this without getting loud and nasty about it!"

The last straw could be someone telling you to "move along" as you lawfully stand on a public street corner. It could be seeing the "For Rent" sigh being hastily pulled out of the window as you get out of your car. OR, it could be some idiot cop firing a live round into the air as you exercised you right to peacefully protest blatant injustice.

[X_Digger]

14. I've lost my home, skipped meals to feed my wife, been laid off twice in the last five years..

So yeah, I've been there. I never used that as an excuse to pilfer an auto parts store.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

20. Looters are not the vast majority of protesters.

They are opportunists. They are criminals. Don't hijack the compassion people have for the non-violent protesters, the family of Michael Brown, and the children that are learning a harsh reality that will affect them psychologically for the rest of their lives, on the behalf of anarchists and opportunists. Please!

[truedelphi]

25. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^n/t

[X_Digger]

30. Who said that looters are the vast majority? *looks around*

However to claim that looters were somehow the fault of the police (as the OP does).. doesn't make sense, either.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

31. Correctamundo!

The looters are responsible and any claim otherwise is bull. We will NEVERTHELESS never know the truth of what happened that night. We can only take sides. I would like to remain agnostic on the issue. It's too damn complicated to know what really happened.

[H. Cromwell]

15. YES

I have been supremely pissed off. MY 31 year old sister died because a hospital , during a workers union strike, did not have the proper vigilance to see that my sister was accidently Overdosed from anesthesia and ended up in a brain dead coma and died. I or my family did not Riot or burn/loot property...we lawyered up and sued the hospital...and won. IN MY OPINION, it was a hospital murdering my sister. I didn't kill the person who administered the overdose of anesthesia; even though she was WRONG and I was Supremely Pissed Off.

[jeff47]

26. Ok, now pretend the hospital did the same thing to kill your father

your uncle, several of your friends, and a few of your cousins. The exact same thing. And kept getting away with it over and over again.

Your response would not be "shut up and sue" after all that.

[H. Cromwell]

28. Actually,

My response would be to still use the legal system. Your analogy is not even apples vs oranges.
Looting and rioting are criminal activities that solve nothing. I was raised differently.
IMO the grand jury made the correct decision...

CBS News legal analyst Rikki Klieman said on "CBS This Morning." "The forensic evidence did not lie."

Klieman stressed that it's important for the public and juries to understand that while people can fabricate a story, physical evidence is surefire. She noted that as the prosecutor outlined the evidence, he spoke about people who retracted claims that they were eyewitnesses, accounts that Officer Wilson shot Michael Brown multiple times in the back and even that he stood over Brown as he allegedly did so.

"And of course when the autopsy leaked, then they changed their testimony," Klieman said. "What [the prosecutor] said was at this grand jury, listening for 25 days of testimony, 60 witnesses and 70 hours, that the only thing that could really come true for these jurors in making this decision was whose evidence matched the physical evidence."

[jeff47]

29. Ah, the grand jury was correct.

"And of course when the autopsy leaked, then they changed their testimony," Klieman said.

Except Klieman is wrong. The autopsy did not show there were zero gunshots to the back.

But it told the story Klieman wanted to tell. Good job buying it instead of looking at that actual leak.

My response would be to still use the legal system. Your analogy is not even apples vs oranges.
Looting and rioting are criminal activities that solve nothing. I was raised differently.

So the solution is to use the same legal system that failed to fix the problem of the slaughter of your family.

You're a terrible liar, or have utterly zero ability to think about anyone beyond yourself.

[bemildred]

12. Well, see, the tear gas causes disorder, people fleeing and stuff.

And the cops are busy with that, chasing the fleeing protestors.
And THAT constitutes a great opportunity for anybody standing around waiting for a chance to steal a TV.
And the cops are perfectly well aware of all this, and it is their intention to start a riot in order to justify their own violence.

[Dawson Leery]

9. The foreign press confirms this.

[blkmusclmachine]

17. Cops suck

[ReRe]

19. It was the shot heard all around Ferguson...

... the spark that kicked off the destruction that followed. It was like the shot at the beginning of a footrace at the Olympics. After that, who knows who did what? Yes, I definitely seen the guys looting the beer from the liquor store (CNN.) Who were the arsonists? And what happened to the cops? Where did they go? Where was the National Guard? I seen a few cops in a line, yes, but not the number we were lead to believe (by Gov Nixon) would be out to handle the mayhem.

And all they wanted was justice. And what they got was that GJ, a stacked deck in favor of Wilson.

[jwirr]

21. Thank you for the reason for the gunshots. I also suspect that the cars, both of them, were decoys

meant to draw violence either to keep protesters from other targets or as an excuse to put on their riot gear or both.

[lonestarnot]

27. Merika.