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Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:49 AM Nov 2014

Nothing says concern about civil justice and race relations like looting a liquor store.

On a side note, I wonder how many of the worst examples of behavior tonight in Ferguson were from locals, and how many were opportunistic tourists looking for an excuse to behave badly ?

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Nothing says concern about civil justice and race relations like looting a liquor store. (Original Post) Electric Monk Nov 2014 OP
I'm betting that the bad behavior was from agitators, GGJohn Nov 2014 #1
+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #12
Cops get thirsty. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #2
Cops were looting the liquor store? former9thward Nov 2014 #28
Well, at the risk of repeating myself from the past several weeks: I'll wait until the facts are in Recursion Nov 2014 #3
That's sort of my point. Those truly concerned about Michael Brown would've listened to his parents. Electric Monk Nov 2014 #8
Why would rioters care what the Brown family has to say? Recursion Nov 2014 #16
The fundamental question being, who initially broke the contract... LanternWaste Nov 2014 #30
Isn't blaming a whole group of people based on the actions of a few 6000eliot Nov 2014 #4
Nothing says missing the fucking forest... Bonobo Nov 2014 #5
+++++1 Million! nt kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #19
Right now, the focus IS on Ferguson, though. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2014 #33
You are correct Voltaire Nov 2014 #35
If I was subject to 400 years of racism and oppression XemaSab Nov 2014 #6
Who knows... Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #7
"Self-fulfilling prophecy" is exactly right. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #13
LOL and the liquor store is the first looted. Hell, tip/burn police car after... maced666 Nov 2014 #9
Molotovs aren't going to make themselves. nt ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #10
doesn't matter where Niceguy1 Nov 2014 #11
that store is central to what happened to Mike Brown. nt ecstatic Nov 2014 #14
It's all about civil justice and race relations. Looting included. Shit, especially looting. nm Teamster Jeff Nov 2014 #15
Jesus, it's a riot not a philosophical fashion statement. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #17
Well, THAT would make sense. The Hooch Palace? Not so much! n/t Adrahil Nov 2014 #21
Few riots do not involve vandalism and looting; Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #27
No results found for "HOOCH PALACE" FERGUSON. Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #34
So sayeth the Gungeonite ... Trajan Nov 2014 #18
Electric Monk a gungeonite? GGJohn Nov 2014 #23
Fifth column? Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #29
WHAt!?!?!?! SQUEE Nov 2014 #31
Nothing says more about civil justice like getting away with shooting unarmed black men and black boston bean Nov 2014 #20
And how does looting an burning other peoples' stuff.. Adrahil Nov 2014 #22
You want the rule of law followed, then follow the rule of law. boston bean Nov 2014 #24
Really? Holy Freaking Jeebus!! Adrahil Nov 2014 #25
Thank you kwolf68 Nov 2014 #26
Nothing says "loot a liquor store" like the systematic denial of civil rights for centuries. n/t Orsino Nov 2014 #32
In ANY civil unrest where mob mentality takes over, there is usually SoCalDem Nov 2014 #36

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
1. I'm betting that the bad behavior was from agitators,
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:51 AM
Nov 2014

I saw several protesters trying to stop the few that were acting out.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Well, at the risk of repeating myself from the past several weeks: I'll wait until the facts are in
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:58 AM
Nov 2014

I currently have no idea who is burning and/or looting what, and it would be premature to say whether or not this has anything to do with the protests other than using them as an excuse/shield (or, for that matter, target).

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
8. That's sort of my point. Those truly concerned about Michael Brown would've listened to his parents.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:06 AM
Nov 2014

It seems to me like some people were intent on this building up to more riots, just like this, but not the Brown family.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Why would rioters care what the Brown family has to say?
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:06 AM
Nov 2014

It's not like the people in Keene actually cared about pumpkins. Once the social contract breaks all kinds of bad shit happens.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
30. The fundamental question being, who initially broke the contract...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:55 AM
Nov 2014

" Once the social contract breaks all kinds of bad shit happens."

The fundamental question being, who initially broke the contract-- the collective and systemic actions of law enforcement against minorities, or the reaction to that?

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
5. Nothing says missing the fucking forest...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:01 AM
Nov 2014

like focusing on one little branch in an entire rainforest of racism, abuse and oppression.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
33. Right now, the focus IS on Ferguson, though.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:22 PM
Nov 2014

And a part of what's happening in Ferguson is looting (and arson, etc.). Asking whether violent, destructive responses are appropriate is a perfectly legitimate question.

The enormous problems of how the African-American community is treated by law enforcement and the increasing militarization of the latter must be addressed. Is the destruction or theft of the property of people unconnected to the shooting something that helps address those problems, or do they instead make it worse?

Voltaire

(2,639 posts)
35. You are correct
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:47 PM
Nov 2014

People are paying attention to symptoms and completely missing the contagion that engulfs this guilty land

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
7. Who knows...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:02 AM
Nov 2014

But I will say when the FBI, Nixon, police, bloggers gun nutters, media, etc. are saying weeks in advance to be afraid because there is going to be violence and chaos, it obviously becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy...

Yup...The PTB played this one beautifully and got their primetime carnage for a national audience, while ever-so-deftly reinforcing in our national subconscious the grand jury's decision by making sure the world see live what kind of animals and Philistines live in Ferguson, Mo.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
9. LOL and the liquor store is the first looted. Hell, tip/burn police car after...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:35 AM
Nov 2014

Loot that damn store first!

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
11. doesn't matter where
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:55 AM
Nov 2014

They are from.

That aside, looting amd burning does nothing to address social injustice. Using such violence to effect political change is terrorism...

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
17. Jesus, it's a riot not a philosophical fashion statement.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:23 AM
Nov 2014

When slaves rose up in the Stono Rebellion, the first stop was the gun shop.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
27. Few riots do not involve vandalism and looting;
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:45 AM
Nov 2014

Liquor and convenience stores topping the list.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
34. No results found for "HOOCH PALACE" FERGUSON.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:33 PM
Nov 2014

Your search - "HOOCH PALACE" MISSOURI - did not match any news results.

Your search - "HOOCH PALACE" - did not match any news results.

Your search - "HOOCH PALACE" - About 104 results (0.18 seconds)

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kries-Hooch-Palace/147695721991613

Why is the liberal media ignoring the rioting in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia?

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
18. So sayeth the Gungeonite ...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:58 AM
Nov 2014

Love when you guys come out of the Gungeon and spew this ... nonsense ....

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
20. Nothing says more about civil justice like getting away with shooting unarmed black men and black
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 10:01 AM
Nov 2014

young men without impunity.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
24. You want the rule of law followed, then follow the rule of law.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 10:05 AM
Nov 2014

This decision was a corrupted by the DA as he made Darren Wilson the victim to be protected, not Mike Brown.

So, yeah, fuck em. What's a looting in the face of cold blooded murder.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
25. Really? Holy Freaking Jeebus!!
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 10:10 AM
Nov 2014

I don;t even know what to say to that.

Here's a hint: the people who worked at that Advanced Auto Parts Store? They don't have jobs now. They didn't shoot Michael Brown. Your position is wholly unsupportable.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
26. Thank you
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 10:26 AM
Nov 2014

The looters are thugs, PURE thugs, rioters, law breakers. They have NO justification for this. They've now made their neighbors, black folks, unemployed.

These rioters are cowards too...AND stupid. So a STATE decision on not indicting a killer cop is met by these asshats destroying PRIVATE property, business people who had NO culpability in the decision. BRILLIANT!!!



SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
36. In ANY civil unrest where mob mentality takes over, there is usually
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:55 PM
Nov 2014

some looting..Why?..

Because there is the feeling of righteous anger that develops alongside the feeling of anonymity. There will always be people who decide that while a store is "open" and vulnerable, this is their opportunity to get something that they do not have enough money to buy. Many feel that the business owners have insurance (some may not have enough), so why not grab that bottle of expensive booze or those cartons of cigarettes.

If enough people are looting, there is a piling on effect, and others join in..

It's not okay to loot, but there is an explanation for it.

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