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TygrBright

(20,762 posts)
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:26 AM Nov 2014

Yes. They WANTED riots.

While there is always *some* element of unpredictability in any particular riot situation, the dynamics of highly emotional crowds breaking into violence has been carefully studied and is thoroughly understood.

They know, for instance, that in any given crowd of X thousand individuals engaged in peaceful protest, if violence can be provoked certain things are highly likely to happen, such as looting, and the violence will coalesce on targets of opportunity (that is, the location where the violence breaks out, rather than where the ire of the protesters is actually focused.)

They know that certain types of photo ops beneficial to the dissemination of pro-law enforcement propaganda are more likely to be glaringly obvious than photo ops that show the role of law enforcement in provoking the violence. It's a calculated risk.

Ever notice, they always channel protests into two types of areas? First-- the neighborhoods where the "have-nots" live and work. It's okay to trash those. And second-- the "commons": Public spaces that are supported and maintained by our tax dollars.

They don't happen at the gates of gated communities, ever.

This is not an accident.

This is political kabuki.

They wrote the script.

They are running the playbook.

Buckle up, it's going to be a long and ugly ride.

wearily,
Bright

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Yes. They WANTED riots. (Original Post) TygrBright Nov 2014 OP
Yeah, it was just that obvious....To me, at least... Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #1
Media will focus on "riots" tomorrow and all protesters will become rioters. gordianot Nov 2014 #2
Exactly. The riots become the news. Not the travesty of injustice. n/t TygrBright Nov 2014 #3
Hell, they PLANNED this violence. maced666 Nov 2014 #4
Yeah I have to stay off face book, the conservatives are so fucking happy. hollysmom Nov 2014 #5
My intuition circuit says yes, but Electric Monk Nov 2014 #6
Just so I understand.. cwydro Nov 2014 #7
Study "crowd dynamics." A crowd is an organic entity. TygrBright Nov 2014 #9
So. Your long post cwydro Nov 2014 #24
Everyone thinks that very thing LanternWaste Nov 2014 #34
That foul stench you smell chervilant Nov 2014 #41
indeed Locrian Nov 2014 #43
Ain't cognitive dissonance chervilant Nov 2014 #47
Your posts about the protestors are really trying me this morning. merrily Nov 2014 #14
So you think only stupid people are easily manipulated? Rex Nov 2014 #44
I heard tonight from the live stream yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #8
That would definitely lose them friends and influence people. TygrBright Nov 2014 #11
I posted a poll yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #12
Can you think of any protest that doesn't risk losing so-called "friends?" merrily Nov 2014 #15
Nope, I can't. TygrBright Nov 2014 #17
It's a long game, all right. Way too long and not a game at all. merrily Nov 2014 #18
I think that it would be a bad thing, the people that watch Macy's Thanksgiving Parade rudolph the red Nov 2014 #20
I posted a poll yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #21
Thanks I will check it out rudolph the red Nov 2014 #23
Disrupting? How? Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #29
On live stream they were talking about yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #31
Thanks for the clarification. Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #32
That was a very in-your-face and condescending "announcement" tonight. R B Garr Nov 2014 #10
He's a tool. TygrBright Nov 2014 #13
It was real white of him to ignore the Brown family ... not a mention (nt) sunnystarr Nov 2014 #27
Agree, TygrBright. merrily Nov 2014 #16
Of course the protesters rioting are completely innocent because they just can't help themselves. Lil Missy Nov 2014 #19
I don't think Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #30
Of course the cops that arrested reporters are innocent because they are cops. Rex Nov 2014 #45
I agree with the sentiment: but who is "they"? Wella Nov 2014 #22
I'd be reluctant to draft a detailed scorecard. TygrBright Nov 2014 #25
My instinct is that DHS is looking for a way to Wella Nov 2014 #26
I think you are on to something. madfloridian Nov 2014 #35
They've got to use up those military supplies, no? Helen Borg Nov 2014 #28
The insidiously calculating nature of American racism has long been a fact. byronius Nov 2014 #33
The Capitalist Class needs to keep Blacks demonized as sub-humans. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #36
I bet you actually think you've made a noble observation. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #38
Capitalism is the reason socialism never took hold in America. Rex Nov 2014 #46
Yep. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #37
+1000 blackspade Nov 2014 #39
And this is why we should all have military style assault weapons IronLionZion Nov 2014 #40
Wait...who is "they" again? flvegan Nov 2014 #42
 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
6. My intuition circuit says yes, but
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:34 AM
Nov 2014
This is political kabuki.

They wrote the script.

They are running the playbook.


what else are they trying to hide with this, too?

TygrBright

(20,762 posts)
9. Study "crowd dynamics." A crowd is an organic entity.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:43 AM
Nov 2014

People do things in crowds that they would not do when in small groups, one-on-one interactions, alone, etcetera.

It's a well-understood phenomenon.

If you've ever been at a sporting event with a large attendance, or a major concert, you have probably experienced it. If you're just waiting for a bus somewhere, and you see a kid skateboarding doing an amazing stunt across the street, you might applaud or even whistle. But would you scream "Yeah! Wow!!" at the top of your lungs, do fist punches in the air, stamp, etcetera?

But if you're in the stands at a skateboarding exhibition surrounded by thousands of people, I'm betting you'd do some or all of those things.

Crowds are not individuals.

The short answer is, then, that the people in the crowds may be highly intelligent and, when not part of a crowd, may be very difficult indeed to manipulate.

Crowds, however, are very easy to manipulate and their intelligence does not tend to complex cognition.

patiently,
Bright

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
24. So. Your long post
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:12 AM
Nov 2014

means that people can be easily manipulated and "made" to riot.

Glad not to be a person who can be manipulated that way.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
34. Everyone thinks that very thing
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:16 PM
Nov 2014

"Glad not to be a person who can be manipulated that way."

Everyone thinks that very thing-- which is one reason why it is indeed easy, to manipulate people (as per Goebbels in Richard Hamilton's book, Who Voted for Hitler?).

Odd how we often accurately exemplify the very thing we're arguing against.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
41. That foul stench you smell
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 12:51 AM
Nov 2014

is the BS you're slogging through as you weasel around TygrBright's clear and accurate description of a dynamic that has been thoroughly documented in social research.

You could better use your energy exploring said research...

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
47. Ain't cognitive dissonance
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 09:07 PM
Nov 2014

a real pisser?

(I guess there's always the possibility that empathy is unknown to some of these poor souls...)

yuiyoshida

(41,832 posts)
8. I heard tonight from the live stream
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:39 AM
Nov 2014

They plan on disrupting the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade..That would be amazing.. wouldn't it? Or wouldn't it?

TygrBright

(20,762 posts)
11. That would definitely lose them friends and influence people.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:44 AM
Nov 2014

On the other hand, it would raise the stakes and heighten the profile.

Depends on how long the game will play out, so it's hard to tell.

analytically,
Bright

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. Can you think of any protest that doesn't risk losing so-called "friends?"
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:50 AM
Nov 2014

Any parent, any human, who has no understanding of the protests and no empathy with the protestors is a shmuck, in my opinion.

Jaywalking? A 12 year old with a toy gun? These are reasons for a kid to die? How long are we going to let this continue? How many more centuries?

"How long? Not long." MLK, Jr. decades ago.

TygrBright

(20,762 posts)
17. Nope, I can't.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:54 AM
Nov 2014

It's a risk that has to be carefully calculated, if you're playing the long game to win.

King, Gandhi, Chavez, Mandela... they knew this.

Maybe it's a risk to take, maybe not. I'm not the strategic analyst on this one, for either side.

Which doesn't mean I'm not taking sides.

It just means that my opinion doesn't have much relevance in the calculation.

equably,
Bright

merrily

(45,251 posts)
18. It's a long game, all right. Way too long and not a game at all.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:57 AM
Nov 2014

TygrBright, your posts are always well worth reading!

 

rudolph the red

(666 posts)
20. I think that it would be a bad thing, the people that watch Macy's Thanksgiving Parade
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:02 AM
Nov 2014

aren't going to get it, and will probably get angry that their parade was disrupted by people that they don't understand.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
29. Disrupting? How?
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:04 AM
Nov 2014

Protesting, peacefully I could deal with. Any violence or actions that would instill fear in children... many children who go with their families in person to watch the parade... would not be amazing. It would be counter-productive and make people want to disassociate with the protestors.

I understand the anger. I am angry. I don't understand violence, and I don't think I ever will.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
32. Thanks for the clarification.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:16 AM
Nov 2014

I'll vote in the poll. Honestly I'm of two minds about this. Peaceful is good and it could teach children something extraordinarily important, but bc so many kids are there, in person, I would hate to see something escalate or turn into something that might scare them. (or worse.)

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
10. That was a very in-your-face and condescending "announcement" tonight.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:44 AM
Nov 2014

He obviously didn't care about the effect of his words, which does make it seem like he expected them to provoke people.

TygrBright

(20,762 posts)
13. He's a tool.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:47 AM
Nov 2014

The ones who are G2ing this probably relied on him to make a provocative ass of himself, without needing to script him.

speculatively,
Bright

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
45. Of course the cops that arrested reporters are innocent because they are cops.
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 06:10 PM
Nov 2014

See how easy that is?

TygrBright

(20,762 posts)
25. I'd be reluctant to draft a detailed scorecard.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:13 AM
Nov 2014

But I would assume that multiple jurisdictions and levels of law enforcement were doing the heavy lifting in strategy development, and that politicians, bureaucrats, and the helots of various high-level think tanks were fueling the process.

Nor do I think it's a single, unified "they." I'm sure there were multiple cabals with roughly similar outlooks and goals coming to similar conclusions and enabling interlocking parts of the process through their planning.

wearily,
Bright

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
26. My instinct is that DHS is looking for a way to
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:17 AM
Nov 2014

validate their militarization of the police forces in the country.

And yeah, weariness is right.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
35. I think you are on to something.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:00 PM
Nov 2014

I don't really have the words either, but to the effect that they get to use their military toys and act like tough soldiers if there is rioting.

It's shameful.

And I am beyond furious at ABC for interviewing Wilson. I just read than an NBC guy says they finally had to stop the "bidding" when ABC bumped it up so high. Supposition, yes, but very likely.

byronius

(7,395 posts)
33. The insidiously calculating nature of American racism has long been a fact.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:00 PM
Nov 2014

It's all they think about, and what they put their energy into. They plot with the barely-suppressed glee of pranksterism -- and count the resulting injuries and deaths of American citizens like some sort of moral currency.

Remember Bobby Cherry and the church bombing -- he murdered four children, and was privately proud of it. It's all the same river of bloody hatred. Racism knows no boundary or propriety -- it is its own religious cult. And Fox News is the pulpit.

You are absolutely right. This was planned.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
36. The Capitalist Class needs to keep Blacks demonized as sub-humans.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:13 PM
Nov 2014

Racism is the real reason Socialism never took hold in America.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
46. Capitalism is the reason socialism never took hold in America.
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 06:13 PM
Nov 2014

Once the first wealthy guy realized he could make a literal killing from cheap labor, it was off to the races.

IronLionZion

(45,454 posts)
40. And this is why we should all have military style assault weapons
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 11:55 AM
Nov 2014

it's a war out there, so be very afraid of everyone, every time....

When will the NRA issue their statement in favor of assault weapons in every home? You know, since people are clearly dangerous and out of control.

Watch the gun stocks go up after this. And sales of similar types of defensive equipment.

flvegan

(64,408 posts)
42. Wait...who is "they" again?
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 12:55 AM
Nov 2014

I want to be sure I'm asking the right folks based on such an emotionally unfounded claim in the OP without that info.

Thanks in advance.

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