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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYes. They WANTED riots.
While there is always *some* element of unpredictability in any particular riot situation, the dynamics of highly emotional crowds breaking into violence has been carefully studied and is thoroughly understood.
They know, for instance, that in any given crowd of X thousand individuals engaged in peaceful protest, if violence can be provoked certain things are highly likely to happen, such as looting, and the violence will coalesce on targets of opportunity (that is, the location where the violence breaks out, rather than where the ire of the protesters is actually focused.)
They know that certain types of photo ops beneficial to the dissemination of pro-law enforcement propaganda are more likely to be glaringly obvious than photo ops that show the role of law enforcement in provoking the violence. It's a calculated risk.
Ever notice, they always channel protests into two types of areas? First-- the neighborhoods where the "have-nots" live and work. It's okay to trash those. And second-- the "commons": Public spaces that are supported and maintained by our tax dollars.
They don't happen at the gates of gated communities, ever.
This is not an accident.
This is political kabuki.
They wrote the script.
They are running the playbook.
Buckle up, it's going to be a long and ugly ride.
wearily,
Bright
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)gordianot
(15,239 posts)TygrBright
(20,762 posts)maced666
(771 posts)Had meetings on where to go, what to hit...
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)They wrote the script.
They are running the playbook.
what else are they trying to hide with this, too?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You mean those rioting are that stupid and easily manipulated?
Wow.
TygrBright
(20,762 posts)People do things in crowds that they would not do when in small groups, one-on-one interactions, alone, etcetera.
It's a well-understood phenomenon.
If you've ever been at a sporting event with a large attendance, or a major concert, you have probably experienced it. If you're just waiting for a bus somewhere, and you see a kid skateboarding doing an amazing stunt across the street, you might applaud or even whistle. But would you scream "Yeah! Wow!!" at the top of your lungs, do fist punches in the air, stamp, etcetera?
But if you're in the stands at a skateboarding exhibition surrounded by thousands of people, I'm betting you'd do some or all of those things.
Crowds are not individuals.
The short answer is, then, that the people in the crowds may be highly intelligent and, when not part of a crowd, may be very difficult indeed to manipulate.
Crowds, however, are very easy to manipulate and their intelligence does not tend to complex cognition.
patiently,
Bright
cwydro
(51,308 posts)means that people can be easily manipulated and "made" to riot.
Glad not to be a person who can be manipulated that way.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Glad not to be a person who can be manipulated that way."
Everyone thinks that very thing-- which is one reason why it is indeed easy, to manipulate people (as per Goebbels in Richard Hamilton's book, Who Voted for Hitler?).
Odd how we often accurately exemplify the very thing we're arguing against.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)is the BS you're slogging through as you weasel around TygrBright's clear and accurate description of a dynamic that has been thoroughly documented in social research.
You could better use your energy exploring said research...
Locrian
(4,522 posts)The ones most easy to control are those who think they are "immune" to it.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)a real pisser?
(I guess there's always the possibility that empathy is unknown to some of these poor souls...)
merrily
(45,251 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Interesting.
yuiyoshida
(41,832 posts)They plan on disrupting the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade..That would be amazing.. wouldn't it? Or wouldn't it?
TygrBright
(20,762 posts)On the other hand, it would raise the stakes and heighten the profile.
Depends on how long the game will play out, so it's hard to tell.
analytically,
Bright
yuiyoshida
(41,832 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Any parent, any human, who has no understanding of the protests and no empathy with the protestors is a shmuck, in my opinion.
Jaywalking? A 12 year old with a toy gun? These are reasons for a kid to die? How long are we going to let this continue? How many more centuries?
"How long? Not long." MLK, Jr. decades ago.
TygrBright
(20,762 posts)It's a risk that has to be carefully calculated, if you're playing the long game to win.
King, Gandhi, Chavez, Mandela... they knew this.
Maybe it's a risk to take, maybe not. I'm not the strategic analyst on this one, for either side.
Which doesn't mean I'm not taking sides.
It just means that my opinion doesn't have much relevance in the calculation.
equably,
Bright
merrily
(45,251 posts)TygrBright, your posts are always well worth reading!
rudolph the red
(666 posts)aren't going to get it, and will probably get angry that their parade was disrupted by people that they don't understand.
yuiyoshida
(41,832 posts)rudolph the red
(666 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)Protesting, peacefully I could deal with. Any violence or actions that would instill fear in children... many children who go with their families in person to watch the parade... would not be amazing. It would be counter-productive and make people want to disassociate with the protestors.
I understand the anger. I am angry. I don't understand violence, and I don't think I ever will.
yuiyoshida
(41,832 posts)a peaceful disruption by blocking the route, the street.
I posted a poll : http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025866221
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)I'll vote in the poll. Honestly I'm of two minds about this. Peaceful is good and it could teach children something extraordinarily important, but bc so many kids are there, in person, I would hate to see something escalate or turn into something that might scare them. (or worse.)
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)He obviously didn't care about the effect of his words, which does make it seem like he expected them to provoke people.
TygrBright
(20,762 posts)The ones who are G2ing this probably relied on him to make a provocative ass of himself, without needing to script him.
speculatively,
Bright
sunnystarr
(2,638 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)it's fair to call rioters "protestors."
Rex
(65,616 posts)See how easy that is?
Wella
(1,827 posts)I tend to think it's the Fed.
TygrBright
(20,762 posts)But I would assume that multiple jurisdictions and levels of law enforcement were doing the heavy lifting in strategy development, and that politicians, bureaucrats, and the helots of various high-level think tanks were fueling the process.
Nor do I think it's a single, unified "they." I'm sure there were multiple cabals with roughly similar outlooks and goals coming to similar conclusions and enabling interlocking parts of the process through their planning.
wearily,
Bright
Wella
(1,827 posts)validate their militarization of the police forces in the country.
And yeah, weariness is right.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I don't really have the words either, but to the effect that they get to use their military toys and act like tough soldiers if there is rioting.
It's shameful.
And I am beyond furious at ABC for interviewing Wilson. I just read than an NBC guy says they finally had to stop the "bidding" when ABC bumped it up so high. Supposition, yes, but very likely.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:21 PM - Edit history (1)
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byronius
(7,395 posts)It's all they think about, and what they put their energy into. They plot with the barely-suppressed glee of pranksterism -- and count the resulting injuries and deaths of American citizens like some sort of moral currency.
Remember Bobby Cherry and the church bombing -- he murdered four children, and was privately proud of it. It's all the same river of bloody hatred. Racism knows no boundary or propriety -- it is its own religious cult. And Fox News is the pulpit.
You are absolutely right. This was planned.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Racism is the real reason Socialism never took hold in America.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)smh
Rex
(65,616 posts)Once the first wealthy guy realized he could make a literal killing from cheap labor, it was off to the races.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)IronLionZion
(45,454 posts)it's a war out there, so be very afraid of everyone, every time....
When will the NRA issue their statement in favor of assault weapons in every home? You know, since people are clearly dangerous and out of control.
Watch the gun stocks go up after this. And sales of similar types of defensive equipment.
flvegan
(64,408 posts)I want to be sure I'm asking the right folks based on such an emotionally unfounded claim in the OP without that info.
Thanks in advance.