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peace13

(11,076 posts)
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:30 PM Nov 2014

Dear Mr. President...you lost me at....

"We are a nation built on the rule of law" I heard you speak these words last night and my mind went racing to remember when these words were last true. Certainly not when George Bush and Dick Cheney went skipping off the stage. Not when the bankers went free or the illegal wars were started on a pack of lies. And not as we live in cities and villages with militarized police departments.

No, I can't remember when last there was a rule of law for all. The division is clear and I am sorry that those words were the best that you could do last night.

I am sure that it hurt to say them. At some point you just have to stop talking. But you figured that out after the first rambling answer. The scene was heart breaking.

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Dear Mr. President...you lost me at.... (Original Post) peace13 Nov 2014 OP
the law is only for those that can buy it. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #1
+1 joeybee12 Nov 2014 #2
There are actually two sets of laws: one for the well-to-do and the KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #5
Laws are written to protect those who can buy laws. nt valerief Nov 2014 #13
If you have been in a civil case SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2014 #19
Exactly, like this douche. sylvanus Nov 2014 #30
there is only a law for the rich or the truly evil samsingh Nov 2014 #3
Well said, peace13. Octafish Nov 2014 #4
The only use the PTB have for the rule of law is to keep us in line. merrily Nov 2014 #6
it is a charade...and a lie noiretextatique Nov 2014 #7
What the **** did you expect him to say? iandhr Nov 2014 #8
Come right out and say the truth.....stats are on his side. nc4bo Nov 2014 #10
a lot can't/won't heaven05 Nov 2014 #14
The election of a black man as President has been used Skidmore Nov 2014 #16
^^^^This!^^^^ + a gazillion! love_katz Nov 2014 #17
'We are a nation built on violence without consequence, theft without punishment, pampango Nov 2014 #12
Immortal Technique:Rich Man's World (1%) Lyrics Mr Dixon Nov 2014 #9
I don't think it hurt him to say those words. grasswire Nov 2014 #11
well, in fairness, it was an accurate statement stupidicus Nov 2014 #15
oh potus oh dear. "We are a nation built on the rule of law" belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #18
I am one of those Obama-bots (I guess that's my label) & I have to say last nite jillan Nov 2014 #20
He looked tired for sure. peace13 Nov 2014 #24
The President is 100% correct. Only fascists would abandon the rule of law in difficult times. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #21
Surely this is the best of all possible worlds. Orrex Nov 2014 #23
Good OP. the rule of law is extremely selective. nt arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #22
I thought it was a great speech. But he doesn't do bad speeches. maced666 Nov 2014 #25
Way to draw out a lurker. I haven't even rec'd anything in months and months. Flying Squirrel Nov 2014 #26
White people lecturing the black president on how to talk to black people. Drunken Irishman Nov 2014 #27
So sorry. peace13 Nov 2014 #29
Isn't this the DOJ that said major crimes by corporations are "violations of the law, not offenses"? Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #28
We are under the rule of Capitalist Law for Capitalist pigs. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #31
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #32
 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
5. There are actually two sets of laws: one for the well-to-do and the
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:44 PM
Nov 2014

"Law of the Jungle" for the rest of us.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. Well said, peace13.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:41 PM
Nov 2014

Like taxes, laws are for the little people in the United States of America today.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. The only use the PTB have for the rule of law is to keep us in line.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:53 PM
Nov 2014

They always have an excuse why the law doesn't apply to their actions.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
10. Come right out and say the truth.....stats are on his side.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:27 PM
Nov 2014

Reminds me of a man or woman referring to the person they have an affair with as "them" or "some people" rather than that woman or that man I'm cheating on you with.

We have a race problem in this country. We have a police violence problem in this country. We have an inequality problem in this country and we all need to be honest with ourselves and admit it. How about we work together to eliminate these problems.

All of this despite that the fact that a black man was ELECTED POTUS.

The few are making life miserable for the many.



 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
14. a lot can't/won't
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:37 PM
Nov 2014

admit to what you wrote because it threatens their perceived privilege garnered from a democracy designed to be divisive based on race, money, social class. The few have always made the many miserable, it's a pretty sad situation though that some of those "many" keep voting for those who can and will make their lives miserable. I just can't understand that type of hate and stupidity.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
16. The election of a black man as President has been used
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:41 PM
Nov 2014

by the right wing to build their base of racists, and along with that they gave permission to racist language and behavior to come to the forefront. Pushback needs to occur on all fronts--politicians, media, and even your next door neighbor We will not tolerate racism. Period.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
12. 'We are a nation built on violence without consequence, theft without punishment,
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:29 PM
Nov 2014

do unto others as they have done and will do to you. IOW, we are a republican nation. So go out there and get you some.'

Surely nothing bad could come from that.

That's why I'm voting for an anonymous DU poster for president next time. They tell it like it is, consequences be damned.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
9. Immortal Technique:Rich Man's World (1%) Lyrics
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:15 PM
Nov 2014

You know my C.E.O. Masonic steez, cheese
Only little people pay all these taxes and fees
Since you were born we controlled what you watch and you read
And pretty soon were gonna, own the fuckin' air that you breathe

I take what I want, fucker, I don't have to say please
I'll convince you that it's good for you, take it and leave
You think Presidents are the face of a nation
I put 'em all where they are, end of the conversation

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
11. I don't think it hurt him to say those words.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:29 PM
Nov 2014

I think he really believes the claptrap. He is of the establishment.

I had the same reaction to this the last time he said those words, recently.

There is no equal justice under the law.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
15. well, in fairness, it was an accurate statement
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:39 PM
Nov 2014

it's no small wonder given what those laws were, that the black man/woman/child has gone from what, 2/3 of a man to practically valueless in the eyes of too many.

He needs to own up to the fact that his exercising of prosecutorial discretion in the case of the war criminals and criminal bankers will and has only further entrenched the notion and real world consequences of unequal justice -- the even uglier cousin of wealth/income inequality. Add in the death and carnage of illegal/immoral wars, and it's no small wonder that so many with a gun wanna piece of the "justice" pie.

Did he say anything about "leading by example"?

 

belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)
18. oh potus oh dear. "We are a nation built on the rule of law"
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:30 PM
Nov 2014

just ask the real americans about rule of law -

jillan

(39,451 posts)
20. I am one of those Obama-bots (I guess that's my label) & I have to say last nite
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:42 PM
Nov 2014

was not one of his finer moments.

I thought he looked weak, defeated and out of touch.
His words did nothing to inspire or heal.

Maybe it was the split screen? Hard to say, but it was the first time I found myself thinking "shut up already".

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
24. He looked tired for sure.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:52 PM
Nov 2014

When he started to answer the question and began to ramble I questioned why he would go off script in this situation. But opening with that same old line ....my reaction was much like yours.

I can't imagine dealing with a rouge Secret Service and fearing for the safety of my family. The man has a full plate for sure.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
21. The President is 100% correct. Only fascists would abandon the rule of law in difficult times.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:43 PM
Nov 2014

Abandon what the country was built on and you let them win.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
25. I thought it was a great speech. But he doesn't do bad speeches.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:14 PM
Nov 2014

Strong point - one of many - he OWNS.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
26. Way to draw out a lurker. I haven't even rec'd anything in months and months.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 04:21 AM
Nov 2014

But I still read every day.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
29. So sorry.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 10:11 PM
Nov 2014

I worked my #%^ off to help get this man elected. I expect to be be included when he addresses this country. Your point is interesting. Pretty sure that the black people you think he was talking to know that the rule of law is a joke. I expect the President to address the nation when something as horrific as this happens.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
28. Isn't this the DOJ that said major crimes by corporations are "violations of the law, not offenses"?
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 04:31 AM
Nov 2014

OK so Holder has apparently a good civil rights record (but no victories to show for it) --

How is his blatant double standard on "non-prosecutable corporate crime" rule of law?

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