My biggest question: did Wilson know about the convenience store robbery

[Nye Bevan]

when he encountered Brown?

Top Google result says he didn't, second says he did (that being said, this second result is from something called the "conservative treehouse&quot .

https://www.google.com/search?q=did+wilson+know+about+robbery&ie=UTF-8

Has this been definitively established? Because there is quite a bit of difference between a guy minding his own business on the street (as far as the officer knew) and a suspect in a felony robbery.

[Fumesucker]

1. I gather that Wilson told the GJ that he heard the call on the radio during the encounter

The call being the one about the convenience store.

Whether he actually knew or not is still an open question.

[Anansi1171]

2. What about those great questions at the press conference?

And still you have to ask.

[gordianot]

6. Yep 3 questions "What was the vote"?

I forget did anyone ask him if he "Bob" thought that Officer Wilson's action were justified?

[BlueCaliDem]

3. Officer Wilson initially said he had no knowledge of the convenience store incident. Then he changed

his story and said that he heard it on the radio when he was possibly telling Brown and Johnson to "get off the fucking street". I'll trust Officer Wilson's original declaration.

[pinboy3niner]

8. In his police interview the next day, Wilson said he heard the radio call before the encounter

See Page 4 of the SLCPD interview transcript: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370766-interview-po-darren-wilson.html

[BlueCaliDem]

9. Officer Wilson didn't know Brown was robbery suspect at time of shooting, the Chief said.

Ferguson cop Darren Wilson didn’t know Michael Brown was robbery suspect at time of shooting, chief admits as teen's backers cry character 'assassination'

BY Meg Wagner , Joe Kemp , Corky Siemaszko
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Friday, August 15, 2014, 9:47 AM
Updated: Saturday, August 16, 2014, 2:05 AM

Officer Darren Wilson stopped Brown and his friend because ‘they were walking down the middle of the street, blocking traffic, that was it,’ Ferguson police chief Thomas Jackson now says.

(emphasis mine)

So that kind of destroys what the SLCPD transcript reports for me.

Yes, I've noticed that the transcript shows a date that's earlier than the above news article, but you know what? It's not that hard to change dates and times on any reports. Also, considering the immediately release of that convenience store vid in a blatant attempt to assassinate Michael Brown's character early on so that people will empathize with the cop as they started the process of exonerating Wilson for the extrajudicial execution of Michael Brown in the streets as if he were a stray dog, I'd take their reports with a pound of salt.

[FBaggins]

10. There was dispute about that at the time

But the radio transcripts make clear that he did know about the robbery (and in fact offered to assist the two officers who were looking for the suspects in the area).

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370609-radio-traffic.html

Track 349 is the starting point. He's officer "frank" 21

[Hoyt]

4. I think the time-line of radio broadcasts show he knew about it, and was in fact in search.

God only knows the truth, but what I understand is that Wilson did not originally connect M Brown with that theft, but a few moments later did.

I've about come to the conclusion that I can sort of accept Wilson having shot Brown during a scuffle at the police car if that really occurred (I think it could have been handled differently and should not be deemed good police reaction though, but that is not criminal); but, I'll be damned if I can accept blasting away at him once Brown had run.

[Whiskeytide]

5. The DA's summary last night...

... clearly stated that Wilson heard the call before confronting Brown. I assume there is a way to verify the time of a recorded radio dispatch. So, I suspect the official timeline was that he was aware of it, and he recognized that Brown fit the description. There was apparently a call from Wilson to dispatch that he had eyes on someone fitting the description of the store suspect. Again, I'm assuming these were recorded and preserved in some fashion, and the GJ heard them.

[rudolph the red]

11. What I understood from the DA comments was that

Wilson didn't realize Brown might be a suspect until after he had already confronted him, saw the yellow socks and the swishers in his hand and made the connection.

[Whiskeytide]

13. Maybe so...

... I'll have to go back and watch the DA's statement again. I thought he said there was a call about the robbery that went out but didn't give much info - just said there was a robbery in progress or something to that effect. Wilson was with someone needing transport to the hosp, and he waited for the ambulance to arrive and then headed in the general direction of the store. Then there was another call that gave a description (black shirt, yellow socks) and said he was with another teenage male. THEN, I thought he said Wilson radioed for an assist car or backup because he had eyes on the kids. I took that to mean all of the radio traffic occurred before the confrontation. Maybe I heard it wrong.

[rudolph the red]

14. Yeah it is really kind of confusing, I'm pretty sure that that was what he said

but I might be wrong.

[niyad]

7. michael apparently PAID for those cigars

Mike Brown appears to have paid for those cigars

“Ferguson police’s attempts to demonize Michael Brown, the unarmed African-American teen killed by Officer Darren Wilson, may have hit a small snag,” reports Crooks and Liars. “The very video they released at the same time as they identified Wilson as the officer responsible for shooting Brown six times, including twice in the head, may show the opposite of what they intended.

“Supposedly, the video shows Brown robbing the store, taking a box of cigars. However, the attorney for Ferguson Market says that it was not anyone from the store who called police to report a robbery. In fact, a customer called to report what he viewed as a robbery.
“How, then, did police get the tape? According to St. Louis News, ‘The attorney said, during the course of Ferguson (PD)’s investigation, they came to the store and asked for to review the tape.” In other words, the tape was not viewed by police until after Michael Brown was dead in the street.

“In their fervent effort to cast Brown in a negative light, they missed that the video seems to show Brown paying for the Swisher Sweets.
“While it is difficult to be 100 percent certain, the video appears to show Brown purchasing some cigars but lacking the money for the amount he wished to buy. Brown seems to purchase some cigarillos, pay for them, attempt to buy more, then replace the ones he could not afford.”

. . .

http://sfbayview.com/2014/08/mike-brown-appears-to-have-paid-for-those-cigars/

[FBaggins]

12. That would be quite a stretch

There's nothing in the video that "appears to show Brown purchasing some cigars". We can't see any of that part of the transaction.

What we can see is a bit of a lunge at the 17 second mark and he pulls back with an armload of merchandise (much of which falls to the floor). As he's picking it up and preparing to leave, the owner(?) is seen coming around the counter in a rush (apparently upset about something) and tried to stop him from leaving (at which time he's shoved out of the way in footage that this account omits).

[niyad]

15. and what we do know is that the store clerk did NOT call in a police report, and said that there

was NO theft. oh, and the small part about the video being edited, but I guess that doesn't count.

[FBaggins]

16. Let's look at what we ACTUALLY know

what we do know is that the store clerk did NOT call in a police report

The clerk didn't call 911 (because a customer already had) but was interviewed by the police prior to the shooting and described one of the suspects, the article stolen, and the direction they ran.

and said that there was NO theft

Sorry. That's simply wrong

and the small part about the video being edited

I have no idea what you're talking about there. Is this the nonsense from the first day or two that the video came out where some people were claiming that it wasn't even the same guy?

Here's what actually "counts". Dorian Johnson was the other suspect. He testified to the grand jury that it was a robbery. That Brown didn't even have any money on him.

[Chuuku Davis]

18. Please don't

Confuse people with facts

[FLPanhandle]

19. Is this an attempt at reverse demonization? Make him into an angel?

Disingenuous when either side does it.

[JonLP24]

17. Based on the evidence presented to the grand jury

The dispatcher’s audio records, which can be heard online, indicate that at 11:53 a.m. the dispatcher informed police officers about the robbery at the convenience store, together with a description of the suspects that matched Michael Brown. At about noon, Wilson can be heard asking if other officers needed assistance locating the two robbery suspects, with one officer responding that they had lost them.

Wilson’s version of what happened next, per the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, is that when he spotted Brown and his friend walking in the middle of the street, he directed them to use the sidewalk. But a few moments later, Wilson realized the two people walking matched the description of the robbery suspects. (This appears to be supported by the statement of Brown’s friend Dorian Johnson to the media, when he explained that at first the officer simply yelled at them to get on the sidewalk. However, moments later the officer backed the car up, using it to block Brown.

At 12:02 p.m., Wilson called in his location and asked the dispatcher for backup. That is when the altercation with Brown occurred. The struggle and shooting of Brown apparently took less than one minute because a tweet sent by an eyewitness at 12:03 p.m. stated, “I JUST SAW SOMEONE DIE OMFG.”

Consequently, it appears that Wilson returned to confront Brown over the robbery, not the jaywalking.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/21/why-darren-wilson-will-walk.html

[BklnDem75]

20. Depends on which version you believe...

The police report states: The entire incident (strong armed robbery) takes place on Saturday, 08/09/2014 between 11:52:58hrs and 11:54:00hrs.

The police chief states: 11:51 a.m. — Ferguson police receive a call of a robbery in progress at the Ferguson Market convenience store.

The police chief also states: 11:54 a.m. — A different, unidentified officer arrives at the Ferguson Market and gets a physical description from an employee and customer of a suspect who took some cigars.

But...

The police chief states: The Ferguson police officer who shot Michael Brown didn't stop him because he was suspected in a recent robbery.

Wilson encountered Brown at 12:01 p.m.

Now if you believe the chief's version of events, Wilson didn't know about the robbery. If you go by the police report of the video, there was exactly 7 minutes between the robbery and the encounter. That's 7 minutes for the police to receive the call of a robbery, dispatch alerting the nearest officer to investigate the robbery, the officer going to the market, getting a physical description from the employee and customer, and sending that description on the radio, before the encounter.