Lying about being rich in order to get someone in bed could become rape in NJ.

[LostInAnomie]

Rape by fraud? N.J. lawmaker introduces bill to make it a crime

By Matt Friedman | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
on November 24, 2014 at 8:06 AM, updated November 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM


TRENTON — Imagine this: A man woos a woman to bed with tales of his riches, fast cars and a vacation home in Monaco. But he actually lives in his mother’s basement.

Or this: A seemingly wealthy widow convinces a younger man to sleep with her on the notion that they may marry and he’ll inherit her money. In reality, she’s broke.

Under a bill recently proposed by a south Jersey lawmaker, such actions would not only be considered dishonest. They could prompt charges of rape.

Earlier this month, state Assemblyman Troy Singleton (D-Burlington) introduced the bill (A3908), which would create the crime of “sexual assault by fraud,” which it defines as “an act of sexual penetration to which a person has given consent because the actor has misrepresented the purpose of the act or has represented he is someone he is not.”

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/11/rape_by_fraud_nj_lawmaker_introduces_bill_to_make_it_a_crime.html

[Sanity Claws]

1. Makes the other party sound like a prostitute

I could think of other examples that,IMHO, are better.
A man with a wife and 2 children claims he is single in order to bed someone. Or a person claims to be disease free when he has a disease that could be communicated through sex.

[Nye Bevan]

6. The "disease free" example I agree with, and I think is already the law.

Reckless endangerment, possibly?

[Xipe Totec]

2. And if you didn't lie, it's solicitation. nt

[unblock]

3. anyone have the text of the bill?

the link says it's from the assembly democrats' website, but i couldn't find anything there.

[unblock]

4. keep in mind the reporter's interpretation probably doesn't relate to the text of the bill.

i'm trying to locate that, without success, so far....

[Nye Bevan]

5. Or if you claim that you love her, when really you don't.

Or if you claim that you are a very spiritual person, when in fact you are not.

Or if you claim that her ass looks great in those pants, when in fact it doesn't.

Or if you claim to enjoy "chick flicks" when in fact you don't.

This is an utterly stupid proposal for a law that would almost certainly be found unconstitutional.

[lumberjack_jeff]

7. It's not a novel argument

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1092167#1092736
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1093324

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

8. How about lying about being unmarried while your husband in the Navy is at sea?

Boy was that a disaster... probably the only time I ever really feared for my life.

[merrily]

9. How about "Honestly, I'm going to ask him/her for divorce and marry you."

Good luck with proving this stuff.

You can prove penetration and they'll still say you were not raped--it was consensual. And, it's too hard to prove rape because it's only "he said, she said." (Too bad so few victims get raped in front of eyewitnesses willing to testify!) But, you're going to be able to prove someone lied to you to get you to have sex?

[Comrade Grumpy]

10. Stupid idea. n/t

[hunter]

11. Usually people like that are lying to themselves first.

They actually believe they are wealthy until the repo man takes their car and they are evicted from the house.

I think it would be much worse to be caught up in a relationship with someone like Donald Trump, Rush Limbaugh, or Mitt Romney.

Getting into a relationship for the money is always a bad idea, whether the wealth is real or not.

[Jake Stern]

12. Can see it now:

a prosecutor telling the jury "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the accused told the victim 'Don't worry honey, I'm on the pill' in order to get him to engage in sexual intercourse".

[belzabubba333]

13. it violates the 1 st amendment

[upaloopa]

14. Reminds me of the joke:

He "Will you sleep with me for a million dollars?"
She "Sure."
He "How about 10 dollars."
She "What kind of woman do you think I am?"
He "We settled that now we are negotiating the price."

[Nine]

15. Already a thread on this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5861880

I don't believe for one second the spin that this will mean men can be jailed for lying about how rich they are. People are being really dishonest here.