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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:51 PM Nov 2014

Americans Now Drink More Craft Beer Than Budweiser

Last edited Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:36 PM - Edit history (1)

A few years ago I saw Sam Calagione speak, and at that time craft beer was about 5% of the total market. So it's about tripled in less than a decade.

They call it a "bad sign" for Anheuser-Busch, although I don't really see why it has to be, in principle. AB could (wait for it) start making some better-tasting craft beer. It's not written in stone that they have to make insipid beer for all time. Hell, they're big enough to support multiple sub-brands.

(edit) To clarify, I'm not anti-Budweiser, or anti-Big-Five. I am pro-variety, so I like to see that the Big Five are becoming just one choice among many, instead of The Entire American Beer Universe that they used to be.

Here's a very cool graph from today's Wall Street Journal that says an awful lot about America's changing taste in alcohol. Americans now buy more craft beer than Budweiser. (Not Bud Light, mind you. Just Bud.)



On the one hand, this chart is a reminder that craft brewing is still a niche—albeit a fast-growing one. According to the Brewers Association, craft labels make up about 14 percent of the U.S. beer market. Take Allagash, Lagunitas, Dogfish Head, and all your other favorite little breweries, toss them together, and they barely outsell the third most popular brand in America.

On the other hand, it's also a very specific testament to the decline of Budweiser, which these days is basically a beer without a purpose. Twenty years ago, when Americans were less health-conscious and had more homogeneous tastes, selling a mass-market, midpriced lager designed to appeal to the largest possible demographic made lots of sense. But now, it's a brand without a natural audience except for older Americans who drink it out of habit and maybe a nostalgic sense of brand loyalty. If you walk into a bar, there will almost always be a cheaper beer, a less caloric beer, and plenty of tastier beers on tap. And so it's not totally shocking that, by Anheuser-Busch Inbev's account, 44 percent of Americans between the ages of 21 and 27 have never tried a regular old Budweiser. It's not as if they're missing anything.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/11/24/budweiser_sales_decline_americans_now_drink_more_craft_beer_than_bud.html

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Americans Now Drink More Craft Beer Than Budweiser (Original Post) phantom power Nov 2014 OP
you implying that budweiser is not a craft beer? unblock Nov 2014 #1
Are you implying it is? rhett o rick Nov 2014 #29
i decline to answer as i'm told my humor does not improve with explanation.... unblock Nov 2014 #32
Sorry, I am not good catching sarcasm. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #34
fair enough, evidently i'm not good at throwing it. unblock Nov 2014 #35
No, it's me. I have a massive chip on my shoulder and a little to quick to fly off the handle. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #36
oh yeah? well, my chip is bigger than your chip! don't make me prove it! unblock Nov 2014 #37
I yield. I gave up long ago on the argument that mine was bigger. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #39
You mean it took this long? Aristus Nov 2014 #2
You don't drink Bud edhopper Nov 2014 #3
Hell, I'll drink a cold can of Lone Star instead. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #47
My son, a chef in Stowe, Vt cali Nov 2014 #4
FYI, Blue Moon is a fake craft beer brand owned and brewed by Coors. cleanhippie Nov 2014 #5
Shock Top is gross. cyberswede Nov 2014 #6
I know. that was my point. I don't have a very refined beer palate cali Nov 2014 #11
They're not all "super hoppy", perhaps try different styles. cleanhippie Nov 2014 #21
Blue Moon is Coors. CBGLuthier Nov 2014 #7
Thanks for the info about Leinenkugel. LuvNewcastle Nov 2014 #42
Indeed. iandhr Nov 2014 #28
Budwiser is not beer liberal N proud Nov 2014 #8
Craft is sometimes crap Kilgore Nov 2014 #9
Word! Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #12
Sneaky bastards....AB.... Historic NY Nov 2014 #16
and sometimes it's JUST PLAIN BAD JCMach1 Nov 2014 #22
The decline of Budweiser doesn't hurt Anheuser-Busch's bottom line Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #10
I'm totally cool with that trend. It just means variety is winning. phantom power Nov 2014 #15
I'm a Pale Ale man myself Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #18
Sierra Nevada pale is a true classic phantom power Nov 2014 #31
If you want to taste a classic IPA chase down a Rubicon IPA Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #41
That's one of my all-time favorites. LuvNewcastle Nov 2014 #43
A Pilsener like Warsteiner is a treat in the summer Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #44
Thats all I drink, our local brewery is a treasured treat. Historic NY Nov 2014 #13
Our long national nightmare is finally over XemaSab Nov 2014 #14
just how much beer does budwieser drink? belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #17
Anheuser Busch did attempt to try their hand at craft beer last year. Initech Nov 2014 #19
Miller Coors brews Third Shift Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #25
It's still crap no matter who brews it. Initech Nov 2014 #27
If I am not drinking local craft beer - hifiguy Nov 2014 #20
Maybe with all these companies trying, America will actually... and finally JCMach1 Nov 2014 #23
they could do what Gallo did marlakay Nov 2014 #24
So far, most of the better ones don't appear very nterested in being bought phantom power Nov 2014 #33
You're welcome Glassunion Nov 2014 #26
I live in Washington the state where there is a craft brewery on every corner. I get the biggest rhett o rick Nov 2014 #30
I make most of my beer these days madville Nov 2014 #38
Why would anybody drink piss when there are so many great ales? B Calm Nov 2014 #40
If I'm not having Two Brothers or Revolution Brew Paulie Nov 2014 #45
Austin's craft beer sector is booming. Real Ale in Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #46
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
36. No, it's me. I have a massive chip on my shoulder and a little to quick to fly off the handle. nm
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:57 PM
Nov 2014

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
3. You don't drink Bud
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:56 PM
Nov 2014

you just borrow it.

I am convinced that the popularity of Bud is not because it is good (it's not, it is an awful beer) but because at a certain point in drinking that is the only sound a guy or girl can utter. "Gimme Ud".

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. My son, a chef in Stowe, Vt
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:56 PM
Nov 2014

says nothing cracks him up more than going into am upscale Vermont bar and ordering a bud. Looks of horror abound. People who know who he is are shocked.

This state is awash in craft beer. Me? I live down the road from Hill Farmstead Brewery, voted the best brewery in the world in 2013. I prefer to drink Blue Moon when I drink beer.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
5. FYI, Blue Moon is a fake craft beer brand owned and brewed by Coors.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:01 PM
Nov 2014

Sure, it tastes better than Coors, but it's still crappy, mass produced beer.

Same for Shock Top, owned and brewed by Bud.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
6. Shock Top is gross.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:04 PM
Nov 2014

I provide Blue Moon when my yellow-beer drinking friends come over. They would be afraid to try Rogue or Bell's or Sammy Smith or whatever else I have around.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. I know. that was my point. I don't have a very refined beer palate
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:12 PM
Nov 2014

and all these super hoppy craft beers really don't appeal to me.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
21. They're not all "super hoppy", perhaps try different styles.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:04 PM
Nov 2014

Pale Ale, Brown, Porter, Scottish...the list is virtually endless. Lots of good beer out there.

But for christs sake, please put down the mass produced junk.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
7. Blue Moon is Coors.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:04 PM
Nov 2014

I don't give my money to Coors. The Coors family is a bunch of right wing assholes and I would never knowingly give them a penny.

We really liked Leinenkugel until we found out it was owned by Coors. Never touched it again.

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
10. The decline of Budweiser doesn't hurt Anheuser-Busch's bottom line
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:12 PM
Nov 2014

Anheuser-Busch has been in the pseudo Craft Beer business for some time. They have purchased quite a few labels, and even launched a few of their own in order to jump on the bandwagon. Anheuser-Busch bean counters are laser focused on market share; profit is profit even if you rob Peter to pay Paul.

http://coolmaterial.com/feature/9-craft-beers-you-didnt-know-werent-craft-beers/

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
15. I'm totally cool with that trend. It just means variety is winning.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:27 PM
Nov 2014

If the Big Five start making different kinds of beers (and/or buying them up), that's the right direction even if they aren't "real" craft beers (whatever that means anyway). I don't personally care for Shock Top, but I like Blue Moon all right. After a hot muggy day of work, sometimes a corona with some lime hits the spot.

Although mostly it's all about the imperial IPAs for me.


Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
18. I'm a Pale Ale man myself
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:50 PM
Nov 2014

Most all the IPA's I encounter today are WAY over hopped, just for the sake of hopping/shocking. The same trend happened in the wine industry back in the eighties was all the wines became over oaked, just because they could.

My benchmark for all pale ales is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, the perfect barley sandwich that's wonderfully hopped to my satisfaction.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
31. Sierra Nevada pale is a true classic
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:21 PM
Nov 2014


I think the whole hops/IPA fad has gotten a little over-heated, but I love IPAs so much I can't pretend I'm very disappointed. Making a really well balanced IPA, especially an imperial IPA, is easier said than done. They aren't all great. For me personally, it's a bit like the old Woody Allen quote - "even when it's bad, it's pretty good"

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
41. If you want to taste a classic IPA chase down a Rubicon IPA
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:16 PM
Nov 2014

It was my benchmark for IPA's back in the eighties: 4 gold medals for IPA from the The Great American Beer Festival (GABF).

Good hop nose, taste, and palatable bitterness, but you can still taste and enjoy the barley; everything working in harmony.

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
44. A Pilsener like Warsteiner is a treat in the summer
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 08:17 PM
Nov 2014

My one desire would be to see more lager houses in the craft beer industry. I think beer accountants shun lagers; time is money.

Initech

(100,080 posts)
19. Anheuser Busch did attempt to try their hand at craft beer last year.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:54 PM
Nov 2014

It was called "Third Shift" and it failed miserably. You can't fool us real craft beer supporters and brewers.

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
25. Miller Coors brews Third Shift
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:21 PM
Nov 2014

And it's still out there, but they did pull their "craft lite" brands, whatever the hell that was.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
20. If I am not drinking local craft beer -
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:00 PM
Nov 2014

usually Surly or Summit - I drink Minnesota-brewed Grain Belt Premium. Coors/Bud/Miller are dogwash.

marlakay

(11,473 posts)
24. they could do what Gallo did
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:12 PM
Nov 2014

buy up a bunch of the good craft ones and keep their names.

Gallo bought a bunch of good wineries in Sonoma and other places.

I personally like that the small guys are winning. but watch. they will buy out the better craft ones.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
33. So far, most of the better ones don't appear very nterested in being bought
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:31 PM
Nov 2014

But you never know, big money can be hard to turn down.

If they just buy them and then let them do their thing I'm not sure I care. If they start buying them up and closing them down, or otherwise messing with them, that would be bad.



 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. I live in Washington the state where there is a craft brewery on every corner. I get the biggest
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:51 PM
Nov 2014

kick out of seeing a big tough, pickup driving guy order a Miller Lite. I am always tempted to ask them if they want a water chaser.

madville

(7,412 posts)
38. I make most of my beer these days
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:06 PM
Nov 2014

I just put a simple pale 2-row based all-grain with some Columbus and Citra hops in the fermenter on Friday. It should be ready to force carbonate right about the time I run out of the home brewed Rye Pale Ale that's currently in my keg system. I also occasionally do a hard apple cider once or twice a year.

If I have to buy something at the store my go-to is usually just Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Torpedo IPA or their Rye version.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
46. Austin's craft beer sector is booming. Real Ale in
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 10:53 PM
Nov 2014

Blanco (west of town) has been a big success, but there are several in-town brews. Real Ale is hoppy-oriented, but are having success with Hans Pils. There are a couple of hefferveisens brewed in town as well. I'm rapidly becoming a snob! The place I go -- Radio Beer & Coffee -- has 2 dozen crafts on tap, good & fresh!

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