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world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
13. Actually, the nine most frIghtening words in the English language are...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:23 PM
Nov 2014

I'm from a corporation and I'm here to help.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
4. Republicans policies have lead the way for 40 years- ever meet one Republican happy about it?
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:03 PM
Nov 2014

They all seem like miserable fool blaming the non-existent liberal boogey man for their self created problems. F em

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
5. And yet they still vote them in and worse
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:10 PM
Nov 2014

When Democratic politicians are in office they keep the same policies voters hate. No winning for us.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
6. It's hard to change policy when Congress is filled with the opposite party
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:14 PM
Nov 2014

There was change in the 2 years Obama had a democratic congress and Clinton had a democratic congress. It might not have been as sweeping as the huge time Republicans have swept things in, and obstructed, but most good ideas of the past 40 years occurred in those times. But yes a lot of the worse ideas came when Republican congress convinced Democratic presidents to try new reforms... We need 40 years of a liberal majority.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
14. It's hard to elect a Democratic Congress when you run promising big changes,
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:26 PM
Nov 2014

deliver small changes, and advertise even these small successes so poorly that the other side can continue to make a bête noir of them and flagellate you with your own good deeds. Even when you're in the minority, don't back off because of the 60% rule. Attack anyway, make a big story out of Republican obstructionism. Let the voters see why they aren't getting relief.


But all of this depends on your actually committing to a liberal platform & then making good on delivering it or at least go down fighting for it in ways that make it clear that you're serious about it.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
15. Change doesn't happen in 2 year segments
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:40 PM
Nov 2014

You certainly won't get politicians willing to go for the liberal brass ring when voters show their asses the door for doing the small steps they did. Its hardly a ringing endorsement. It also doesn't help when they don't show up at the polls. People complain about Democrats campaigning for the middle and leaning conservative vote, but hell those people show up. If the vast liberal under class flocked to the polls every year they'd pander to them. They'd have to. When they don't come, they don't even try. It is the dull circle of political bland.

Part of the problem is the Democratic party isn't traditionally "liberal". It's always been a big tent party. The thing is there used to be a camp in the Republican tent for liberals too. Republicans used to want clean water, clean air, infrastructure... To me there is the party of governance (Democrats) and the party of grifters. I doubt the liberalism will ever win out when the Republican party is so amazingly broken. It is probably a fail to think a political attitude can ever win out when 40-60% of the system isn't working at all for governance. Even if liberals did great they are likely left with a slim majority if some kind of common sense fails to exist in the other party. Its been 40 years of the other party sinking into grifting mass of reactionary blah.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
8. They're easy to despise because they loves them some gubmint teat
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:31 PM
Nov 2014

and then they move even further right, like in West Virginia where you can listen to Rush while driving on all those nice highways Robert Byrd delivered.

Fuck 'em.

Bonhomme Richard

(9,000 posts)
10. They want to raise the gas tax so you and I pay for it and....
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:48 PM
Nov 2014

at the same time lower corporate and 1% tax rates.......................................and that's what they will do.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
11. plus toll roads and bridges
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 05:53 PM
Nov 2014

Then when they go bankrupt they can get government to bail them out. What a racket.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
12. And yet, they still don't get it.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:19 PM
Nov 2014

You almost (but not quite) have to pity their stupidity. See, it is only the lower classes that should suffer - they should always go to the head of the line, and when that isn't feasible, they whine. Hey A-holes, you got what you wanted now live with it like the rest of have to.

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