Darren Wilson is 6'4'', 210 lbs.

[wheniwasincongress]

At the time of his death, Michael Brown was also 6'4" and 292lbs.

Remember that when Wilson talks about how small he felt.

[bravenak]

1. Like a child fighting a giant.

Such a weakling that man is.

[TeeYiYi]

2. But it was a 6'4'' demon...

...that was an even BIGGER demon when it had his demon face showing...



TYY

[BootinUp]

92. A Demon the size of Hulk Hogan!

[Avalux]

3. He had a GUN. He was a COP.

His story of fear is ridiculous, and he's a sorry excuse for a human being.

[Lex]

76. Yes! This!

And he was in a fortified police CAR. What the hell?

[Travis_0004]

4. You dont think 80 lbs is significant.

I wont want to fight somebody 80 lbs heavier than me.

[stevenleser]

10. Two points. #1 - In boxing, everyone above 200 lbs is considered a heavyweight so...

you have fighters who are 201 lbs fighting those all the way up to 350lbs plus. Those in the low 200's do just fine. Mike Tyson fought at between 207lbs and 218lbs in his prime and often fought people 240lbs plus. I think the point is that as you get to those higher weights above say 220lbs, it begins to reduce your fighting effectiveness due to loss of speed.

The other point is, how would Wilson know whether or how much Brown was heavier? They were the same height. Maybe Brown looked thicker, but by how much? And shouldn't Wilson have been in excellent shape?

[rudolph the red]

12. I'm 6'5" 230 lbs and I had my ass kicked, but good, by a guy that

weighed at least 50 lbs less than me. It's mainly about focus and commitment, and the ability to not get overcome by adrenaline.

[pothos]

13. this is a person with training

and many nonlethal weapons at his disposal. he should not have been afraid of anyone 80 pounds heavier than him.

[dixiegrrrrl]

25. I still cant figure out why Wilson just did not step on the gas

He's in a car, he says Brown is leaning in the window,, Wilson is behind the wheel, so stomping on the gas would have knocked Brown off his feet, no?

[Man from Pickens]

28. Rabid cop syndrome

They would rather kill someone than back down from the smallest confrontation. This isn't the only case of it. Getting lots of stories these days about cops picking people out and harassing individuals because they dared to look at the cop when he was in the killing mood.

[Lurks Often]

53. If you stop to talk to someone while in your car, do you leave it in drive

or place it in park?

Common sense suggests that Wilson put his vehicle in park when he stopped to talk to Brown.

[noiretextatique]

55. why didn't he put the car in drive?

Or wait for backup? Perhaps he channeled his inner knight and felt compelled to slay the "demon?"

[Lurks Often]

61. And maybe you're projecting your own worldview on him

Based on what was reported the initial stop was for walking in the street, hardly something one requests backup for. At some point the whole situation turned to shit and both Wilson and Brown started reacting to each other.

Unless one is very experienced and very well trained, something Wilson and most police for that matter, are not, when something like this happens instinct and reflexes take over.

Besides, police are not expected to flee the scene of a crime, especially something that at the time it started was a fairly minor incident.

[dixiegrrrrl]

66. It takes a nano second to shift into -park

But, part of the answer to that question, is revealed now that I have seen the pictures of Wilson's "injuries" which amount to no more than a flushed area on
the right side of his face, and on his neck. No bruising, no eye marks, nothing really.

[jwirr]

87. Unless you were in better condition and knew how to fight. I do not know if these two things apply

to Wilson or not but they could be a factor.

My brother who was about the same size as Michael was not real coordinated. And his weight made him out of shape.

[Ykcutnek]

5. Yeah, but his skin color gave him superhuman powers.

[Spazito]

6. Well, it does take a 'small' man to shoot an unarmed black teenager 12 times...

a VERY 'small' man.

[handmade34]

7. we get it...

Wilson was scared

Wilson acting like a bully and then being scared is no reason not to force him to go through a trial...

[Erose999]

8. Persumably Darren Wilson would have had police training as well. Police are trained to handle bigger

people than themselves.

If Darren Wilson's account is to be believed, he's unfit for police duty.

[dilby]

9. Wow I did not know they stacked shit that high. n/t

[nomorenomore08]

34. +1

[seveneyes]

11. A distinction with a difference

82 lbs difference.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

15. I wonder how many 290 lb men Wilson encountered

At 6'2", I bet he was accustomed to being the same size or larger than most people he encountered.

I don't know anyone who ways more than about 220 lobs. Anyone 290 lbs seems just absolutely huge to me, but then, I'm a tiny woman!

[cyberswede]

36. My 14 yo son is 6'2" 230 lbs - he is definitely NOT scary

...except to the other football team. haha

I can't even imagine how a 200 lb. adult, especially one trained in law enforcement, could feel threatened by an unarmed teenager. There are lots of small police officers - are they all in fear for their lives whenever they encounter someone larger? I sure hope not!

[Iamthetruth]

41. I'm calling BS

14 and 230? My son is 15 and 6'3" but 180. I've not seen a 230 pound 14 year old and I've been coaching football for a long time.

[xmas74]

43. Really?

Because I saw a freshman listed on a program during football season weighing 250, a sophomore weighing 290.

I saw it this fall, in West Central Missouri, where I live.

[Iamthetruth]

50. That's a big boy

I'm trying to keep my sons weight below 210 for now. He will probably end up around 6'5" to 6'6" and I want his knees to work for him when he is 50.

[Iamthetruth]

52. Thank you

I'm 6'2" and played college football. I'm 45 and already had my left knee replaced. I don't blame football, I blame the pounding of 230 pounds from 17 to 30 years old.

[gollygee]

18. Yeah but at some point extra weight weighs you down and doesn't make you stronger

this weight difference is a red herring. It sounds like Darren Wilson was in better shape, and they were both large men.

[seveneyes]

20. Agree. Bruce Lee was a shibboleth I trusted many years ago

I don't recall when I first discovered random predictable irrationality, but I do recall the first time I used it.

[gollygee]

21. I think size does make a difference

unless you have the kind of training Bruce Lee would have, but only "a large man" vs. "a small man" or even "an average sized man." If you have two large men, and one is heavier but the other is in better shape, that sounds like an even match.

[cyberswede]

37. I agree - and training would definitely make a difference.

The cop panicked & acted inappropriately. So tragic.

[noiretextatique]

57. remember the weight difference between martin and zimmerman

Was dismissed as irrevelant? I do. Now...it is relevant because the victim was larger. It did not matter when the victim was smaller. Do these people even HEAR themselves? They certainly don't SEE themselves. It is so fucking insane!!

[gollygee]

69. +1

Absolutely true.

[JI7]

14. but one is white and one is black, remember how skinny Trayvon Martin was

but he was armed with the sidewalk .

[noiretextatique]

58. the same people who claimed Trayvon's size

Did not matter, are now claiming Mike's size did matter I do not understand it...and I do.

[procon]

16. Maybe the Fergusson PD needs to issue more

pacifiers, Pampers and blankies instead of guns. Then the question must be asked; how do you burp a 6'4'' baby boy, or change 210 lbs. man-child?

[doc03]

17. There could be a huge difference there, a pudgy out of shape cop at 210 pounds

or a 18 year old with 82 pounds of muscle. I am 5' 11" and 200 pounds and wouldn't have chance with a
5'11 200 pound athletic teenager.

[MrScorpio]

19. Brown must have looked pretty scary to you

Just like he looked scary to a 6'4" white cop with a handgun

[seveneyes]

22. Looking at a picture, imagining a picture or living a picture

All have a difference of perspective.

[jwirr]

88. If it is a picture we want there is the one above of Wilson and then the video of Michael in the

store shows his body make up pretty well. Of the two I think the cop is in better condition. Michael like my brother does not look comfortable with is weight in the video.

[doc03]

23. Well at 6' 4" and 292 pounds he would be pretty intimidating

no matter what color or sex he or she was.

[MrScorpio]

26. You are aware that cops are in pathological fear of blacks in America, right?

And of course, it's been noticed that you're using both the bullshit grand jury result and FPD propaganda to justify the murder of Mike Brown.

It's pretty obvious.

[PeteSelman]

48. Coward Wilson was the same size.

He was just a coward who panicked and shot instead of subduing Brown with his stick or with hand to hand skills. He can't fight so he shot.

I can't use the proper words to describe him on this site.

[cyberswede]

73. O.I.C.

tick tock

[cyberswede]

81. Rebuttal for what? Nobody is claiming they were the same weight.

But you seem to want to make something out of it - I wonder why?

[gollygee]

78. Excess weight doesn't make you stronger

It just makes you slower.

[PeteSelman]

90. Same height. Roughly the same size.

Wilson is no small guy, he's 210, and he's got training in personal combat.

Read his testimony, he's a big wuss. The scary black demon manhandled him like Hulk Hogan against a five-year-old.

Can't fight, so he has to shoot, twelve times.

Gutless, punk.

[noiretextatique]

59. why?

You have never seen a big guy before? Is Wilson really a scary, little punk...or a trained cop?

[gollygee]

24. The cop didn't look pudgy or out of shape

and Michael Brown didn't look like his weight was all muscle. This is irrelevant.

[MrScorpio]

27. Mike Brown was practically obese

I can tell you from experience that moving almost 300 pounds around is no picnic.

[Rex]

31. Same here, nor does it give you super human strength.

Wilson is so full of crap, this is one of the worst injustices I've ever seen.

[doc03]

39. If Brown wouldn't have assaulted Wilson and attempted to take his

weapon he would be alive today. I supported Trayvon Martin 100% but I just can't have much sympathy for Brown. I am sorry for the family but there are some things you just don't do.

[Rex]

40. If Wilson would have kept driving and not turned around to confront the kids, Brown would be alive.

So easy to play that stupid game, nice try anyway.

[doc03]

42. Well he was a cop and Brown was walking down the middle of the street. He also had received a

report on the convenience store incident, so he should have just drove away. Confront the kids! The guy was 6' 4" and 292 pounds that's on big f---g kid.

[RichGirl]

93. If Wilson had the appropriate weapon for a situation like this...

...which id a taser....Michael Brown would be alive. But, Wilson didn't carry one because it was too bulky. So you kill a boy rather than be inconvenienced?

[cyberswede]

46. No "practically" about it

I have problems with BMI standards, but 6'4" and 290 is well over the standard for obesity.

The bottom line is that Wilson either panicked or overreacted & shot an unarmed teenager. So sad.

[Rex]

30. I guess you've never seen a picture of Wilson, he is in shape.

His claims are total crap. That he got away with saying he looked like a 5 year old next to Hulk Hogan is pathetic.

[uppityperson]

32. how about an in shape cop at 210 with 70# muscle with and an obese teen with 100+# fat

Which is more what reality was.

[nomorenomore08]

35. Going by Body Mass Index, 210 lbs. at 6-foot-4 is just barely outside the "normal weight" range.

Wilson, to be "pudgy" or "out of shape," would have to have very little muscle mass.

[uponit7771]

29. Zimmerman and Wilson have training TM and Mike brown have none by the black guys are

... more of a threat?!!?

Really?!?!

sigh....

We've come a long way and have a long way to go

[alittlelark]

44. ^^^ Very Good Point ^^^

[noiretextatique]

60. do you think

They have any clue how ridiculously racist they sound? Or is the racism so entrenched, they literally cannot see it? Why was TM's weight dismissed as irrelevant, but MB's weight is relevant? Whatever fits the narrative, I suppose, no mattwr how hypocritical.

[uppityperson]

33. Thank you, I had no idea Wilson was that big, thought he was a little guy the way the story read.

[csziggy]

38. For the first time Wilson tried to bully someone not smaller than he was

I would bet THAT is why Wilson felt intimidated - he's probably far to used to easily intimidating everyone else by being bigger than they are. Think of Dorian Johnson, Mike Brown's friend, who is a very small man. Wilson wouldn't have had to much to terrify him and one slap from Wilson would have knocked Mr. Johnson right over.

Wilson's reaction is that of many bullies when they are bested - over reaction and blame the other person is standard for bullies.

[Starry Messenger]

47. Plus the car, which was made of steel and weighs two tons

[haele]

49. Darren Wilson is a stupid coward and bully. When I pulled shore patrol duty, I was 5'7, 155 lbs.

In 1982, a 23 year old female in an uncomfortable uniform, pear-shaped and not really very fast. But my dad taught me basic Air Force Ju-Jitstu and I knew a bit of stick-fighting, and two times I ended up taking down a belligerent drunk that had at least 80 lbs on me and 4 to 5 inches - pretty much by myself. Without pulling the loaded .45 they gave us. I stared down at least another dozen more.
They picked me when our ship had to provide someone to the base because I'm not afraid of "bigger, badder" people, and don't care what color you are unless you're blue and not breathing. (I'm not fond of doing CPR; it puts me in a bad mood to play corpsman...)
The first thing they taught us was to show no fear or attitude. Be a fucking professional. Don't let your gun be in a position to be taken from you, and never, ever pull it unless you intend to kill someone with it.

Basic policing training.

Wilson either slept through that class, or is a stupid coward who has no clue what "professional" means - unless hanging around talking about whores, I suppose.

Haele

[bemildred]

54. +1. nt

[B Calm]

63. +1 Couldn't agree more!

[RedCappedBandit]

56. If i was scared of a cop

could I shoot him and get away with it?

[fadedrose]

62. The "demon" expression

described by Wilson after he shot Brown the first time - was probably caused by pain. People who are shot, even if merely grazed, are in pain and generally are not smiling amiably. A cop should be able to figure that out...

Might have been better to say something like, "You're hit, I'll get you some help if you cooperate," or words to that effect.

This cop just throws gasoline on every flicker of flame that he sees. He could have been scared to death because he may be a coward by nature, and had to display his bravado in an attempt to hide his fear because of shame or a superiority complex..

No, I am not a psychiatrist. Wilson's words about his feelings tell me that he was frightened and explains the 12 shots fired. A cop should not be that afraid so he's in the wrong profession.

[GummyBearz]

64. Darren Wilson

Also seems to have the brain power of a 12 year old, making him the perfect cop for current system

[NCTraveler]

65. Damn, two big ass men right there. nt.

[Lil Missy]

67. That's a big difference, absolutely.

[Iggo]

68. 6'4", 210, armed and armored.

Poor baby.

[arcane1]

82. "If"

[Iggo]

91. Never happened.

[Iggo]

89. That's not what I'm talking about.

I'm saying he's 6'4", 210lbs, armed, and armored, and he claims he was afraid.

And nobody charged nobody. You and I both know that.

[cyberswede]

72. Because the heights are the same, while the weights are not?

[gollygee]

79. The weight only matters in that it shows that Brown was in worse shape

and would have been slower. Extra fat doesn't make you stronger. Wilson was in much better shape.

[cyberswede]

80. I didn't seek shit. It wasn't even my post.

But nice try on your convoluted reasoning.

[arcane1]

83. Isn't it nice to have them here, nit-picking everyone's posts but contributing nothing?

[cyberswede]

84. They must have a lot invested in justifying the shooting of an unarmed teenager.

To wit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025816739

[arcane1]

85. The parallels are not lost on me either. To very loosely paraphrase Johnny Cochran:

"When you hate, exonerate!"