Dare I ask this? Indulge me. What if Michael Brown were white?

[cpamomfromtexas]

Who would have marched on his behalf?

[Brickbat]

1. No one.

Because it wouldn't have gotten to that point, probably.

[cpamomfromtexas]

6. That's certainly a possibility.

But I can't help but think we have a huge police abuse problem across the nation.

I know of several cases of police abuse and evidence tampering on white guys.

[Brickbat]

8. Do you organize marches for them?

[cpamomfromtexas]

62. I've provided evidence to A.G.'s investigators

Not even a cricket response!

[Brickbat]

103. Right, but do you organize protests for them?

[cpamomfromtexas]

105. I've done everything I know to do.

Pretty sure no one would march with me based on some of the hateful responses I've gotten over the years here at DU no less. And yes even some tackiness to this thread.

It seems the law and the lack of minority status hamstrings some of us.

[Brickbat]

107. Organizing marches is hard, hard work. You have to find others who are sympathetic to your cause and

convince them that marching will make a difference. Building solidarity takes years of effort. It's hard to organize a march in the face of hateful responses and tackiness.

[nomorenomore08]

187. And what of the hateful (and often deeply racist) responses to *black folks* agitating for justice?

Not necessarily on DU - though sometimes, sadly, even here - but in the wider world, online and otherwise.

I would think your own experiences would make you more empathetic, but frankly I'm not seeing that from you on this thread. It comes across as "What about me/us???" whether you meant it that way or not. I'm sorry you feel unfairly scorned, but people are angry, grieving, and their responses reflect that.

Regardless, I'm sorry for what you and your family (or family friends?) have been through. Unjust treatment from the authorities is not unique to African-Americans, even if they tend to take the brunt of it.

[cpamomfromtexas]

189. You stated that nicely unlike the others on this board, you're a class act.

Police abuse is the ROOT CAUSE of all of the problems. And the lack of a consistent punishment for cops to do things like Killing a man with his hands up just encourages more abuse.

Trying to shame those that are of the same party, who actually empathize with their concerns regarding police abuse/corruption etc. is counterproductive to their cause.

[noiretextatique]

200. oh please

STOP. no one tried to "shame" you. you just got called on your bullshit about black people not marching for your hypothetical white victim, the day after a white cop was not indicted for killing a real black person. please stop painting yourself as a victim. thanks.

[nomorenomore08]

201. You may indeed empathize with others, but as I said, it's not coming through very well.

I would suggest taking a step back and reconsidering the wording of some your posts (including the OP).

[Rex]

192. And the sleeper shall awaken!

[Blue_Tires]

13. oh...but of course you do...

of that, I have no doubt....

[cpamomfromtexas]

67. What's up with the snide response to a firm democrat?

Everything doesn't have to only be about race. This cop was wrong but it would be interesting to see how many white people he has abused. Perhaps he's an equal opportunity abuser. But we will never know because of the over emphasis on race.

And as far as DU is concerned. Well Hell, let's just eat our own shall we?

We should be broadening our tent. Not making it smaller. This is part of the reason republicans took so many seats last time around.

[H2O Man]

2. please stop

[cpamomfromtexas]

15. What's wrong with the question.

I know lots of white people who are victims of police abuse, evidence planting, tampering, collusion of da's and judges.

They can't get help from anyone.

[H2O Man]

28. On October 27,

a cop shot two of my relatives. One was seriously wounded, his son died.

The DU community has been assisting me, for example, in writing to the court, and requesting that the murderer not be granted bail.

There are good ways to seek advice and assistance on injustices; the OP is not among them. This is what I think is wrong with your question.

[cpamomfromtexas]

71. So sorry to hear this. But I've never gotten

Any support whatsoever when I posted the facts of the case I'm assisting with.

I'm beginning to rethink considering myself a Democrat. The rank hate on this thread towards me from a few of the du posters intent on seeing the worst from everyone is sickening.

[AverageJoe90]

86. Re: "The rank hate on this thread towards me...intent on seeing the worst...is sickening."

I can honestly sympathize with you there, by the way, because I've had to put up with a fair degree of that type of B.S. myself over the past year and a half or so. Not fun to deal with.

[cpamomfromtexas]

89. Thanks for the moral support. I'd think dems would need

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People in my demographic.

Perhaps I'm wrong and should affiliate somewhere else.

[1StrongBlackMan]

203. "People in your demographic" ...

I was going to ask "what that meant"? ... If you mean white folks, know that most of the people responding to you in this thread are white.

But I see a person "of your demographic", has found you! And, that ain't a good thing.

Self-reflection time: When people that you think would be supportive, resist your organizing them around a particular issue, then perhaps it's time to question whether:1) you have an accurate read of your target audience, i.e., people don't think like you, 2) there's a problem with you, i.e., the way you're communicating, or maybe something else, or 3) some combination of the two ... but in any event, it's NOT about the people that are not running to your support.

[cpamomfromtexas]

106. Thanks I've been here ten but about ready to affiliate

Somewhere where people of my demographic are allowed to ask questions and not have the worst assumed about them.

[samsingh]

94. our prayers are with you

[arthritisR_US]

32. And they are ALIVE to talk about it. nt

[JI7]

3. first of all he probably would not have been shot and killed, but if he was Wilson

would probably have been charged or at least something more would have been done.

[davidn3600]

5. Are you suggesting only black people are shot and killed by the cops?

[cpamomfromtexas]

12. No. But I know several white victims of police abuse.

They can't get help from anyone.

In one case 4 cops planted evidence and they have not been indicted yet. That was over 3 years ago

[gollygee]

19. If they currently are unable to get help

that must be because they weren't shot.

Please stop distracting from what is happening. Yes there is sometimes police abuse of white people as well, but not to the same level, and not to the point of killing so frequently, and not with the dehumanization, and not without any chance of justice.

#whataboutthewhitepeople

[cpamomfromtexas]

31. Distracting? Wtf. There's more than one way to view police abuse.

There will be much broader support if we can take race out of the equation.

If it proves true cop was KKK then that proves it was race related but is it confirmed yet?

[gollygee]

35. "If we can take race out of the equation"

Are you fucking serious? No. You can't take race out of the equation when it's an example of racial injustice, and fuck you for wanting to try.

[cpamomfromtexas]

81. Yes I'm serious. A strategy to focus on a solution to reduce cop abuse of all kinds.

[RedCappedBandit]

145. Stop allowing the oppression of communities of color

through disproportionate police surveillance and abuse, and then you'll be one step closer to "taking race out of the equation."

When you've done that, I'm sure we'll all be more than happy to speak to you.

[cpamomfromtexas]

150. I'm doing my part by investigating another abuse, strategies that are surely used on others

of all races.

Pardon me if I don't happen to do everything "your way".

[RedCappedBandit]

205. Nah, you're not doing shit.

"Take race out of the equation"

[cpamomfromtexas]

159. You sound like you think all the "oppression" is my fault.

I'm sure I'm not nearly that influential.

[noiretextatique]

196. it is not your fault

but...you are distracting, if not intentionally, then cluelessly. you posit a hypothetical to an actual, and tragic event...mistake number one. then you claim black people did not or would not or should or whatthefackever respond a certain way to your constructed hypothetical, when there is a tragic reality people are still grappling with. then...instead of listening to people telling you that you are foolish, you dig your heels in an play the victim no one is being nice to me finally, you cannot seem to grasp that all of the above is your creation, and says more about you than anyone else. cry me a river.

[JI7]

14. no

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

16. Only? No. Far more likely? Yes. (Unless the white person is also mentally ill or homeless.

In which case they're also 'fair game'.) We recently had a white guy, carrying a gun, along the side of the road, suspected of just having shot members of his family. Cops somehow managed to take him alive, unhurt. Yet at roughly the same time, a black man carrying an unloaded BB gun he'd picked up off a shelf at Walmart was executed for daring to carry it around in his hand while talking on his cell phone.

If you don't think white people get a lot more 'benefit of the doubt' from police in this country, you're deluding yourself.

[samsingh]

95. i don't think that's what he was suggesting

[nomorenomore08]

99. Of course not. But the rates are nowhere comparable.

By one estimate I read on DU today, young black men are about 20 times more likely than young white men to be killed by police.

[pnwmom]

195. Brace yourself. Black male teens are 21 times more likely to be killed by police

when white male teens.

It's that bad.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/10/10/3578877/black-teens-were-21-times-more-likely-to-be-shot-dead-by-the-cops-reported-deaths-suggest/

There’s a lot we don’t know about how many people have actually been killed at police hands in the United States, thanks to woefully inadequate transparency and federal record-keeping. But there’s one thing we do now know: Among those we do know were shot by police, black teens were 21 times more likely to be shot dead than their white counterparts.

“The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police,” a new ProPublica report explains, noting that if whites were killed at the same ratio there would have been another 185 white deaths, just during that three-year period, just of those in that narrow age range.

To arrive at this statistic, ProPublica analyzed the list of 12,000 police shooting deaths that were self-reported by agencies to the Federal Bureau of Investigation between 1980 and 2012. Because this data is self-reported and departments are not required to submit information, this data likely significantly undercounts the number of shootings. Florida departments, for example, haven’t submitted data since 1997 and New York City hasn’t submitted data since 2007. And the FBI asks only for “justifiable homicide” figures, meaning in those instances where the shootings are most overtly viewed as unjustified or the litigation is ongoing, departments are less likely to report.

SNIP

[msanthrope]

4. He'd be alive. nt

[Kalidurga]

7. what everyone else said

Most likely a GJ would have indicted as well.

[Blue_Tires]

9. Oh, I'm sorry...

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Are white people systematically and disproportionately targeted, profiled, harassed, imprisoned and shot with impunity in your universe? Indulge me...

EDIT: Nevermind, I get it...You're just an old-fashioned grenade roller, aren't you?

[cpamomfromtexas]

136. No I'm someone who wants to get to root cause

That being cops abuse everyone and they also collude with DAs and judges.

This can happen to anyone of any color. Injustice is injustice no matter what.

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-grounds-for-paul-baileys-new-trial.html?m=1

But apparently I'm not the right shade to be a democrat here. And Mr Bailey is not the right color to be a victim of injustice. Many of you have proven that ---no doubt about it.

I've been here at DU for many years but I'm beginning to rethink that. I'm at least a third generation democrat married to long time union member whose served at various times in national capacity. And when people like me rethink their allegiance by being shit on "by the real Democrats at DU". It's just a sign that this goes on far too much at DU.

Many whites at least in Texas think democrats could never be a party for them. I'm beginning to understand that seeing that the worst was assumed about me by just asking a simple question.

[noiretextatique]

199. so...that's why you posted this hypothetical tragedy?

instead of posting about the actual one? and that's also why you changed the race of the victim, and made all the other claims about black people marching, etc? and because you didn't get the accolades you apparently think you deserve, you will now go and fuck everyone, including yourself, and vote republicon? let me be the first to say: good riddance.

[PDJane]

10. Yes, I would march for his death.

However, I would point out that the reason that Michael Brown is dead is because he wasn't white. The reason Wilson is free is because Brown wasn't white. And there is one African-American every 28 hours killed by police....because they weren't white.

I doubt very much that the circumstances would ever be the same.

[kydo]

11. he probably wouldn't have been harassed or killed

the cop might have given him a ride home even ...

However if he was white and treated the same way and killed by a cop in the same manner, I would march on his behalf.

[Ykcutnek]

17. Changing the way law enforcement operates helps all of us. nt

[cpamomfromtexas]

24. Yes and removing their protection under color of law

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

18. the color issue increasingly will fade as we all become targets

In the meantime AFRICAN Americans are historically treated far differently than others

[cpamomfromtexas]

23. I totally agree with you.

[HappyMe]

20. He would be alive.

[PeteSelman]

21. Is there a history of systematic abuse and murder of white people at the hands of police?

That's really the issue here.

This has everything to do with yet another young black person dealt with summarily without repercussion. Something that's been happening in this country for hundreds of years.

This is not an incident in a vacuum as conservatives like to view it.

[Ryano42]

22. Please look up "James Boyd Shooting"

Happened in Albuquerque last year.

Massive protests, a punishing DOJ finding and hopefully a new better police department will emerge from it.

One huge difference...it was all caught on tape and the APD had no way to escape it.

Cameras...

[Man from Pickens]

47. APD had a lot more issues than that

they were literally ass raping people under color of law, for no reason other than that they could - not just one person either

[Ryano42]

58. Agreed. The big difference was it was all caught on camera...proof of their atrocity

My Dad was APD in the 50's and he would be sickened by what they turned into.

My hope is that this obscenity is what makes it change for the better for good.

[tenderfoot]

25. What if he were white? He'd still be alive.

Just like the guy that shot up a movie theater in Aurora, CO.

[YoungDemCA]

26. No one, because he would still be alive

nt

[arthritisR_US]

27. The question strikes me as obtuse and

a total deflection from what is going on

[Spazito]

38. Yep, it strikes me the same n/t

[RedCappedBandit]

146. That's exactly what it is.

[ZombieHorde]

29. The solutions to our police problems will most likely benefit poor whites as well as minorities.

For example, if body cameras become a norm for police in the US, then whites will very likely benefit from that.

[cpamomfromtexas]

34. They can be tampered with. I've already proven that.

But since it's a case of a white jew. No one at du gives a shit.

This my friends is why lots of uneducated white people in Texas call themselves republicans.

[smokey nj]

41. Why should we care when you haven't provided any

information? What are the details of the case? Do you have any links to news reports about the alleged injustice?

[cpamomfromtexas]

59. News won't pick it up. They were part of the problem

[smokey nj]

63. You still haven't provided any information, though. How can you expect us to be upset when we don't

know WTF happened? How about a well written detailed account of the events? Is police or prosecutorial misconduct an problem? Do you realize how insulting you've been implying that not only do DU members engage in reverse racism, but we're also anti-semitic?

[cpamomfromtexas]

91. Evidence in habeas corpus here

Only reason he wasn't killed is media showed up but they later never checked stories and he's now destitute.

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-grounds-for-paul-baileys-new-trial.html?m=1

[smokey nj]

104. First, I want to say Paul would definitely be dead if he were a black man. He fired a gun while a

police officer was present. Amadou Diallo was shot and killed in NYC for the crime of reaching for his wallet. Now, I want to make sure I have the story straight. Paul's son made a bogus call to 9-11 alleging that his father was suicidal. A police officer responded to the call and knocked on Paul's door, but did not identify himself as a police officer. Paul, rather than ask who it was or look out the peephole to see for himself, grabbed his gun and fired a warning shot. After the warning shot, additional officers, SWAT team, etc. arrive and a standoff ensued until Paul finally left his home.

Regarding the evidence tampering, I fully believe it's possible. Police and prosecutorial misconduct happens all the time. Has Paul contacted the ACLU?

[cpamomfromtexas]

108. The police officer was not present. We proved it in evidence found after trial!

Please read at least the executive summary then comment.

We've proved three ways the dude lied.

[smokey nj]

110. The police officer wasn't outside his house when he fired the warning shot? I heard the shot in

the audio at one of the youtube links. And then there's this:

Unbeknownst to Mr. Bailey, the person who banged on his door was not his son, but a Policeman. This “dark comedy of errors and omissions” resulted in Mr. Bailey yelling “Get out of Here Rick!”, and firing a warning shot. He then went to bed, thinking his son was now gone and he had nothing to worry about. A few hours later, he awoke to the sound of something thrown through his window and a “hostage negotiator” telling him he would be killed if he didn't come outside. (These tapes were not provided to Mr. Bailey in violation of the Attorney General's instructions to Frisco PD).

[cpamomfromtexas]

121. He was long gone. He had to be farther away than the car

Audio where the warning to his son was retrieved.

We know this because after the erasure the sound comes back on and there is no gunshot on the lapel mic where it should be (experts and I synced the tapes and found that he had to be very far away).

In addition, the erased warning proved that he thought it was his son who had been threatening him all week. They had to get rid of that so they erased it from the lapel mic. It also proved that there were multiple police errors that contributed to the problems.

Oh and by the way did you notice the lead detective (a good woman who had talked to friends about how bad she felt about the whole ordeal) died.

Then the main cop that testified was later busted for improper sexual relationships with people whose cases he was assigned to. A real gem I tell you.

[smokey nj]

131. So the officer left the scene, but didn't take his car? This is rather confusing and I want to

understand. Also, I would recommend you be more forthcoming and tell his story from the beginning, in your own words. Include the link so people can access the additional information, but also provide a little background.

[cpamomfromtexas]

137. It's in the post from beginning to end

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-grounds-for-paul-baileys-new-trial.html?m=1

There are additional links including from beginning to end of the entire habeas (about 200 pages total) including background, lead up, bogus 911 call, dispatcher errors, cop errors, threat from son at the same time son was making bogus call and reporting his whereabouts totally different than actual location on operators screen, Mysterious death of lead detective who had told friends she felt bad about the police assisted theft by the son who wanted dad out of the house. And don't forget to read news reports of the officer who perjured himself now being decertified from witnessing and who resigned in light of his other malfeasance which made recent news.

[smokey nj]

142. Why won't you just answer my question?

That website is a nighmare, it's like reading a book that's missing the first 5 chapters. I have a feeling that part of the reason you you're having a difficult time generating interest in this case is your lack of candor.

[cpamomfromtexas]

154. You didn't read the habeas did you?

It's not a 10 second crime.

But that's why the strategies are used I'm guessing thousands of times each year across the country against people of all races.

If you won't read at least the executive summary I can't help you.

[cpamomfromtexas]

139. No another car drove up and we have that tape too

[smokey nj]

143. So a shot was fired while police were in the area?

[cpamomfromtexas]

158. Yes, totally legal under the circumstances and under Texas Castle Law, that's why they had to tamper

with the evidence.

[cpamomfromtexas]

109. Ya think it would help? We've contacted many groups.

Including innocence project. A total waste of time

[smokey nj]

111. Couldn't hurt.

[cpamomfromtexas]

190. It's all here even downloadable format, its' not a 10 minute crime

which is why I know the strategies used have been honed perhaps thousands of times against people of all colors (if race has to be the number one issue for anyone to care).


The exec summary is in the first habeas batch of downloads and includes background as well.

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-grounds-for-paul-baileys-new-trial.html

[ZombieHorde]

45. Everything can be tampered with.

I agree the body cameras won't fix all of our police woes, but they should very helpful.

But since it's a case of a white jew.

I have no idea what this is about, but I do know there are many people on DU that care about Jews. There is even a Jewish group on DU.

[cpamomfromtexas]

57. Thanks for you civility. Not sure what's up with the others. Were ALL democrats

[ZombieHorde]

65. When people get angry, they look for a target to direct their anger at.

Anonymous people on the internet are a relatively safe target.

[nomorenomore08]

100. I think they perceive you (fairly or not) as trying to deflect from the particular racially charged

injustice of the Michael Brown case. I know your intentions are probably good, but I can also see how your posts might be mistaken for racial insensitivity. The fact is, black men frequently have a target on their back in this country, in a way white men don't.

But by all means, you should tell your own story. To as many people as possible.

[cpamomfromtexas]

112. Glad you see big picture. Get to the ROOT cause

The root cause is police abuse of everyone that's not at least a multiple of ten million or more in assets.

The ultra wealthy love it because dems eat their own and poor white republicans too dumb to vote their own interests support them.

They always win people! I'm true blue and I feel like the red headed step child here.

I'm officially about to say f@&$ it- I don't care anymore.

I'm set and don't need the frustration of dealing with those that assume I mean ill by simply asking a question.

Whatever happens with this country may bother me because I care about others, but it definitely won't make a difference in my life. That's for damn sure.

[el_bryanto]

30. If Michael Brown were white there wouldn't be a need to. nt

[tenderfoot]

33. The death of Kelly Thomas...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

[cpamomfromtexas]

36. The cops walked on the Kelly Thomas trial.

[tenderfoot]

37. And there were protests as result

wasn't that the point of your op?

[Man from Pickens]

64. Kelly Thomas protest - story

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/19/kelly-thomas-protesters-arrested_n_4628241.html

[Tommy_Carcetti]

39. If wishes and buts were clusters and nuts, we'd all have a bowl of granola. nt

[gollygee]

40. This thread is a heaping pile of crap. n/t

[smokey nj]

44. I agree. I think it's a huge crock of shit.

[JoePhilly]

42. He'd be ~21 times more likily to still be alive.

[doc03]

43. I think if a white guy robbed a store then assaulted the owner when he

was caught and then assaulted and attempted to take an officer's weapon, he would have suffered the same fate. Nobody would march in his behalf.

[trekbiker]

70. agree

he'd be dead. No riots, no burning down buildings.

I didn't see any riots when the OJ trial ended and he got away with double homicide. But I did see celebrations all over the nation on the news. It was disgusting.

[noiretextatique]

75. one problem with your poutrage

brown did not rob the store, per the store owner. and believe what you want on the TV, but i did not celebrate a millionaire getting acquitted of murder, and neither did most black people i know. here's something just for you. during the OJ trial, one of the murderers of Medgar Evers was finally convicted, after 40 fucking years. did you, or anyone you know, have ANY COMMENT about that, or were you to resentful that a rich black man bought his freedom to care? the fact that the 40 yo murder barely got a peep in the press is beyond disgusting.

[cpamomfromtexas]

181. Yes I do remember that, and agree it was disgusting that the lazy media did not emphasize it.

[noiretextatique]

73. who did that?

the store owner did not conform a robbery, so where do you get your information?

[doc03]

76. Well I saw the video of him throwing the guy against the wall like a rag

doll when he was confronted for shoplifting.

[noiretextatique]

77. no you didn't

he left the cigars on the counter and was leaving when the owner confronted him, presuming he had not left them on the counter. but you can believe what bullshit you choose. the store owner also never called the police, or filed a police report.

[doc03]

80. The report last night said he had the cigars in his hand when Wilson

confronted him.

[noiretextatique]

132. you can believe that instead of store owner eom

[doc03]

92. Well how did Wilson receive the report on his radio then? n/t

[noiretextatique]

129. perhaps it is yet another lie nt

[doc03]

79. The video confirms that he assaulted the store owner, he was probably scared to

report the crime for fear of retaliation.

[noiretextatique]

126. yep...scared of the police eom

[The Straight Story]

46. White privilege is the ability to be outraged by the Ferguson decision, rather than terrified by it

(NT)

[AverageJoe90]

83. I'm white, and I'm scared, too.

Because this will no doubt give many a corrupt cop an excuse to screw over any black or Latino, etc., person, or even any clearly identifiable white liberal, they think they can get away with screwing.

[cpamomfromtexas]

85. You are so right!

Only reason my friend wasn't killed is media showed up but they later never checked stories and he's now destitute.

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-grounds-for-paul-baileys-new-trial.html?m=1

[nomorenomore08]

101. Now you get it.

[The Straight Story]

152. I always got it, same as other things

like misogyny, etc.

There is a difference in understanding something and seeing it everywhere (like when we have a historical achievement and the only thing you see is a shirt, seems to subtract from the 'take me serious' side of things).

Here on Du when someone says 'hey, maybe I don't think that applies fully here' they get labeled a rw racist misogynist. Disagreement on specific incidents/etc doesn't mean hate yet around here people seem to think it does. Hard to have honest discussions and stay part of the 'tent' when people are trying to kick you out and silence you for not being as 'pure and holy' as they see themselves.

[nomorenomore08]

160. I can't really disagree with anything you just posted. Some people could use a bit more of a sense

of nuance, as far as these discussions are concerned. I know it gets emotionally charged - often not without good reason - but a bit of intellectual detachment is sometimes needed as well.

[fishwax]

48. it would be much less likely he was shot, for one thing

And, yes, I think people would March for him, though of course the issues at play would be different.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

49. I would have.

Any person with a sense of right and wrong would. It does not mater if the victim is white, black, brown, red, yellow, or purple with pink stripes. When a wrong is committed, we as a people must take a stand.

[cpamomfromtexas]

61. Thanks for civility and understanding the question

[savalez]

50. It's a culmination of things

Along with the shooting of M. Brown, in Ferguson, African-Americans are arrested at a rate roughly four times higher than their white neighbors, according to Census data and Ferguson crime statistics released by the Missouri Department of Public Safety. Ferguson's arrest rate of blacks outpaces national and state numbers.

They are fed up. Rightly so. Now stick your head back into the Texas sand.

[Live and Learn]

51. There were marches for Kelly Thomas.

A white guy killed in Fullerton, CA.

For some reason only a select few of the killings actually boil over in to community activism. But the outrage is collective and includes all of those murdered by those under the color of authority.

[moriah]

52. No one, because he wouldn't have gotten shot. n/t

[MrScorpio]

53. He probably wouldn't have been shot to death. nt

[ileus]

54. better yet who would have looted on his behalf...

[wheniwasincongress]

55. Hypothetical White Boy would have not been shot

and probably not even stopped by Officer Wilson.

[Leopolds Ghost]

56. He wouldn't have had a "demon face". So he wouldn't have been shot.

n/t

[kevin.xiii]

60. No, he woulda been able to get a taxi

To get the hell outta there

[xfundy]

66. White guys just can't catch a break!

You should have just stated it that way and saved everyone's time.

[malokvale77]

68. Rec for exposure

Your friend is alive to fight.

[cpamomfromtexas]

82. Barely if anyone cares

Only reason he wasn't killed is media showed up but they later never checked stories and he's now destitute.

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-grounds-for-paul-baileys-new-trial.html?m=1

[malokvale77]

118. Collin County...

I wish you luck. They have a joke of a justice system.

I beat them once.

I have no plans to ever enter that county again.

[cpamomfromtexas]

119. I totally understand. It's the fascist capital of America.

[malokvale77]

124. A suggestion...

Dancing clown earrings. It worked for me.

[cpamomfromtexas]

138. Sorry I don't get what you're saying to me.

[malokvale77]

147. It seems...

if you lean in to confirm what they are saying, (PM me and I will explain).

[noiretextatique]

69. he'd probably be alive

he probably wouldn't have been stopped and murdered.

[noiretextatique]

72. perhaps you?

if you gave a damn enough. are you suggesting that black people would not care if brown was white? i think it's more likely that the same people who don't give damn about a black brown, would not give a damn about a white one.

[cpamomfromtexas]

84. I challenge everyone to read evidence in the writ of habeas

Only reason he wasn't killed is media showed up but they later never checked stories from police department and are liable in the lies they facilitated and he's now destitute and waiting for justice in the worst appeals court in the country.

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-grounds-for-paul-baileys-new-trial.html?m=1

[noiretextatique]

113. black people aren't your "Help"

why can't you get off your ass an advocate for whatever you choose? why do black people need to do it for you? that seems to be what your are suggesting.

[cpamomfromtexas]

116. They could broaden their tent and expose strategies

Used against everyone. Educating people to those strategies used (evidence tampering, not producing Brady (exculpatory evidence), and extending their abuse to denying all motions in the courts because of poverty. Oh, and appointing an attorney to him with the judge ordering on the posted docket the attorney not to share discovery with her client. By law the Court must disclose the reasons it is sealed to the imprisoned!!!

After investigating this case I'm convinced they use same strategies over and over against all races!

Now why wouldn't any group that organizes against injustice not be willing to look at evidence that is laid out so well?

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-grounds-for-paul-baileys-new-trial.html?m=1

[noiretextatique]

123. and YOU can do that to

is your problem?

[cpamomfromtexas]

130. You assume I haven't. I'll bet you haven't even read summary

I'll assume something too. I'm betting because you don't think injustice could possibly happen to a white guy?

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-grounds-for-paul-baileys-new-trial.html?m=1

[noiretextatique]

161. no, i don't. i just don't believe black people need to fight your battles

if you have a beef, then you should demonstrate, march...whatthefuckever. and to suggest that black people don't care about white people who are beaten and killed by the police is YOUR bullshit, not mine.

[cpamomfromtexas]

155. I never said they were. You clearly only see things from your world view.

[noiretextatique]

177. pot, meet kettle

your entire thread is whining about why black people don't march for someone you think they should march for, whereas, i am telling you keep exempting yourself, and other white people from doing the very thing you expect from black people. and you can't even own the ridiculousness of your thesis. pathetic.

[cpamomfromtexas]

188. NO I don't expect it, but I would WELCOME IT.

Race is a wedge issue, just like abortion/right to choose are wedge issues.

THE ULTRA WEALTHLY ARE LOVING THIS.

[noiretextatique]

191. then why are YOU perpetrating it?

by whining about black people not marching for some imaginary person, instead the actual black man who died? you do realize white people marched in the south for civil rights, and some died. and black people protested. your call for black people, specifically, to march for some imaginary white victim is complete BULLSHIT. you are doing the bidding of the ultra-wealthy with your phony "complaint" about something that did not happen. DO YOU stand with the Ferguson protestors...or do they need to kiss your ass first? what utter bullshit...of all the idiotic posts today, this takes the prize.

[cpamomfromtexas]

90. I have no idea but I'm guessing the leaders would not care

If a victim were not a part of their target market.

But I'd love to do an interview with Al Sharpton on the Texas Justice I've uncovered for my friend.

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-grounds-for-paul-baileys-new-trial.html?m=1

[noiretextatique]

102. you mean white leaders?

which white leaders, besides the KKK would give a damn? and they wouldn't give a damn either.

[cpamomfromtexas]

114. I'd love it if black leaders took an interest

After all if cops, DAs, and judges collude in Texas to tamper with evidence and allow the train to run its course for an old white Jew then what have they done to others?

I'm guessing much worse!

I'm begging everyone to see how a case like this in Texas could blow many cases wide open where the same thing has happened to others.

In Texas, there's primarily one party for all practical purposes and they don't want to bust other Republican DAs or judges and certainly not cops in the crown jewel suburb of Texas.

[noiretextatique]

128. maybe when white leaders, besides the KKK take an interest

black leaders will too. you are full of mlk talked about justice for all people.

[cpamomfromtexas]

133. I knew that. How rude to say anyone full of crap.

The ultra wealthy are thrilled you don't want light skinned people in the Democratic Party. No matter what, they win when you eat your own!

Bet you haven't even read the executive summary. These strategies are used against people of all colors.

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-grounds-for-paul-baileys-new-trial.html?m=1

[noiretextatique]

135. except when you are full of crap

then it is not rude...it is accurate.

[U4ikLefty]

166. damn right!!!

[U4ikLefty]

162. The "Al Sharpton" card? You just gave yourself away.

You've ignored Kelly Thomas protests (which I was involved) and the fact that your "friend" is alive.

Try harder next time.

[noiretextatique]

171. i can and cannot

believe this idiotic thread was not locked.

[U4ikLefty]

186. "i can and cannot" is a perfect take on these kind of OPs

I've been here long time as well & sometimes I just shake my head in disbelief.

[AverageJoe90]

74. Well, I can say this: the KKK certainly wouldn't be rallying in support of the cops.

The "I am Darren Wilson" B.S. "movement" would be quite a bit smaller, too(although not nearly so much if said white guy was a leftwinger, though). But, given how screwed up a fair number of cops are these days, I have sincere reason to doubt that Brown would've necessarily been spared if he were white. Racism doesn't often stop corrupt cops from victimizing ANYONE they can, anyway.

[noiretextatique]

78. you are right about that

they would never have done that.

[cpamomfromtexas]

87. I agree with you. Equal opportunity abusers

[Rex]

88. LOL...I love watching you cry about being accused of stuff.

Bravo! You got exactly what you wanted and more!

[samsingh]

93. he would not have been shot by the police

[Trajan]

96. If Michael Brown were white, and suffered injustice at the hands of authorities ...

We would all march for him ...

How dare you assume we wouldn't ...

Have you beat your wife, lately?

[joeybee12]

97. Why march? He would not have been shot...

Also, unrec...dumb post.

[ScreamingMeemie]

98. You should know because you live here in Texas with me.

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If Michael Brown were white, he probably wouldn't have been stopped for jaywalking. Heck, my son's high school has a district police station, and they sit there and watch kids cross against the light every morning.

He probably wouldn't have been shot at 12 times and killed. Odds are, Mr. Wilson would have placed Michael in the back of his car and driven him back home to his mama's with a lecture about not turning her hair gray and how he has a responsibility to behave. He would then have met his mama on the front porch with a "boys will be boys... I caught your son..." conversation.

She may or may not have invited him in for coffee, and they may have discussed said "suspect's" chances at a football scholarship.

But, if you really thought about it, you knew this already. I don't worry when my teenaged son goes out with his friends, and it sickens me that other mothers have to because of our twisted society and the fact that people seem okay with cops gunning down children...and throw this kind of argument in its face.

Thank you.

[cpamomfromtexas]

127. Thank you. You said it perhaps more eloquently than I.

We all have things to offer. But like I said in another response, nothing that happens in this country will ever matter to my life (that is except that I have a heart for others therefore I am a democrat).

If it ever did, I can live elsewhere. Which gets me to the point I've tried to get others to think about tonight.

Do democrats need people like me? I've gotten the impression that perhaps many here don't think so judging by some of the hate filled comments.

I have no doubt some of the freepers will pick up on this thread as just one example of democrats eating their own and gleefully squeal about how hate-filled DU is.

I now understand why many in Texas would never step foot here.

[ScreamingMeemie]

157. ...and the "eloquent speaker" is sleeping with the fishes.

Ohhhhhh there are several of us here from Texas. I see you seem to be afraid to respond to my post. A pity really... but then, I'm pretty sure it's because you know that what I outlined for you is exactly what would happen if Michael were white.

Belated welcome from me and your dozens and dozens of other Texas DUers. We're a cool group. You might wanna look at how our major cities are voting these days.

[marble falls]

206. white honor student shot by cops:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-student-fatally-shot-campus-police-traffic-stop/story?id=21144725

Black honor student shot by cops:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/09/25/Louisiana-police-officer-kills-14-year-old-honor-student/5001411647822/

Black honor student shot by cops:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/30/2077731/st-louis-police-shoot-black-honor-student-25-times/

Female honor student shot by cops:

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/22293144/hofstra-graduates-honor-student-killed-by-police

Cops beat female honor student:

http://www.yourblackworld.net/honor-student-inexplicably-beaten-by-police-i-awoke-spitting-my-teeth-out-on-the-ground/


There's very few that cops won't beat or shoot. White black male female. But they do shoot many, many more young black males. How is it most black males shot are shot by young white cops? No tinge of racism there, right?

[ScreamingMeemie]

148. Welcome to DU BruceW

You and cpamomtexas can be alone with those thoughts...

...and that's all I'm going to say about that.

[cpamomfromtexas]

168. My kids are white, but because of corruption I've seen, the cops scare the crap out of me

even where I live.

Corruption doesn't care what race you are if they have their own crimes to cover up.

[ScreamingMeemie]

172. My kid is white too, and I know he wouldn't be shot for the events that happened to Michael

Brown. You know it as well.

[Starry Messenger]

115. There was a massive outpouring of support for Scott Olsen in 2011

http://www.businessinsider.com/scott-olsen-settlement-2014-3

This resulted in his winning a settlement of 4.5 million dollars. You're welcome.

[cpamomfromtexas]

117. Yes as it should be. But no matches for evidence tampering

Or DA's using easily identified tampering, lack of syncing tapes to show official story was a lie, or audio enhancement to retrieve erased portion from lapel mic from the car mic over 100 feet away!

[Starry Messenger]

149. Huh??

I answered your question in the OP. Wtf are you talking about?

[cpamomfromtexas]

151. Sorry, I meant no marches for evidence tampering, DA, cop and judge collusion

[Starry Messenger]

165. You are making zero sense. Congrats.

Why don't you delete your untruthful OP and write the one you really meant, then.

[noiretextatique]

174. she feels aggrieved

because legions of black people are not protesting for her friend yet another thing some white people expect us to do for them.

[bravenak]

178. We also need to end racism. Our jobs get bigger and bigger for no pay.

[Starry Messenger]

184. Good lord.

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I lose all hope for this country with every dippy white person who can't stop their pie hole from flapping inanely whenever something horrible happens to Black people.

[noiretextatique]

197. we are just sooo mean

we are supposed to be more like "The Help" and other magical negroes

[spanone]

120. and what if darren wilson was black?

[Bettie]

125. There would be no need to march

He'd still be alive.

The cop would have either sped by him or stopped and said "Hey guys, not safe to walk down the middle of the street!" with a smile and a wave.

You see, as the mother of white sons, I don't have to worry nearly as much as mothers of black sons do. Mine can probably even do a monumentally stupid thing or two and still be alive. A young black man doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

Now, that is white privilege. My kids have a much better chance at simply being alive.

It is wrong.

[Bettie]

153. The black mothers I have come to know of middle social status

see their husbands and sons stopped regularly while daring to drive while black, especially if they drive a newer car.

They see their husbands and sons followed in stores that they frequent because they live in more expensive neighborhoods that are mostly white, thus it is assumed that they are up to no good.

They are the ones who need to pull out cell phones to record every interaction they have with law enforcement, though they have broken no laws. Why? Because they fear what will happen if they aren't vigilant.

I have the luxury of not being worried every time I see a cop that this will be the day I say the wrong thing and get killed for my trouble.

I have the luxury of knowing that if my kid jaywalks, the worst he's likely to get is a warning, not a bunch of bullets in his body.

But, wait, I know..."well, racism exists...but not in THIS case". Of course, that's the answer in all cases though, isn't it?

[gollygee]

140. He'd be alive, and we'd have another witness whose testimony would be considered credible. n/t

[noiretextatique]

141. indulge me: what if you weren't white?

i doubt you would post something so stupid.

[craigmatic]

144. If he were white he probably wouldn't have been shot. Even if he had been people would still view

this as an abuse of power by the police state and the department would be sued.

[bravenak]

156. A young black man is killed every 48 hours by law enforcement.

And you want us to drop what we are doing in the fight against racism to march for your friend who is alive and well. I guess we better make things right for him first, then we can get back to our 400 year battle. He is much more important than the disproportional use of force against black males. How can he not be?

[nomorenomore08]

163. Well said. Even if it makes me (and no doubt others) profoundly sad.

[bravenak]

173. This is a bullshit thread.

[nomorenomore08]

176. I have to agree. Whatever the intent, it comes across as a distraction at best. n/t

[bravenak]

183. I see it as a 'What about meeeeeee!' Thread.

'Black people are mean!! They won't do stuff for free for me that I never even think about doing for them!" Such self serving bullshit. Like we don't have enough to do. Now we need to fix everyone elses shit first.

[nomorenomore08]

185. Exactly. It reeks of self-centeredness, both individual and racial in nature.

The OP should really give more thought to how she comes off to people, rather than lament being ganged up on.

[noiretextatique]

194. that would require some introspection

apparently, she thinks the HELP should do that for her.

[noiretextatique]

193. total bullshit

and the poster is as clueless as they come.

[bravenak]

198. I swear I imagine an actual troll when people go on like this.

[noiretextatique]

164. and why the fuck can't SHE do it herself?

and get like-minded people to join her? so fucking idiotic.

[bravenak]

169. It's our JOB!!!

We have to make sure everybody else is warm before we try to get a lump of coal for ourselves. Black men last.
Some people don't care how fucked up they sound, they just demand more and more. Trying to make a MF feel guilty for not marching for who they want to march for.

[noiretextatique]

175. true, sis

i am surprise (and not) that this bullshit is still here.

[nomorenomore08]

179. And if you do, what will they give you in return? Most likely next to nothing.

[bravenak]

180. An ass whooping.

[Recursion]

170. Yes, yes. That was very "courageous" of you to ask.

Who would have marched on his behalf?

Probably not the "white community", since we are not routinely terrorized by police.

[treestar]

182. The cop would have found a way to calm him down

and would not have killed him.

[sabrina 1]

202. He would not be DEAD!

[Shankapotomus]

204. No one

He'd be alive.