Attended a salon with Hillary Clinton tonight...

[brooklynite]

Still planning to run for President.

BTW: Peter Yarrow is a Third Wayer...who knew?

[LiberalElite]

1. They say you get more conservative

with age. Maybe that's the reason.

[dflprincess]

27. I find myself moving farther left as I age

and I started out left of center.

Perhaps it's just that the Democrats have moved so far right I only think I'm more liberal or maybe it is the rise of the oligarchs that's making me more liberal.

[LongTomH]

153. I find both are true!

I'm becoming more liberal as I grow older, and the party has moved too far to the right; although Elizabeth Warren and a few others may drag leftward again.

[Cosmic Kitten]

104. Peter Yarrow May be "more conservative" but he is a convicted...

SEX OFFENDER!?!
WHAT?

Why is Hillary involved out with a Child molester?
If the right-wing makes this connection it's
one more smear against DEMOCRATS by proxy.
This is bad optics no matter what!

When Yarro was about 38 he had sex with a 14 year old girl...
and was convicted of a sex crime!
And Hillary is sharing a stage with him, SERIOUSLY!

Yarrow, a member of the legendary group
Peter, Paul and Mary, was accused of engaging in a sex act with
a 14-year-old girl in a Washington, DC, hotel room in front of her
17-year-old sister in 1970. He pleaded guilty to “taking indecent liberties”
with the child and landed three months behind bars.
http://nypost.com/2014/04/22/la-guardia-hs-to-honor-convicted-sex-offender-folk-singer/

[hrmjustin]

2. I think she might wait till late winter or early spring to announce.

[hrmjustin]

9. She will run and win. I guess we just disagree.

Welcome to du.

[hrmjustin]

15. Ok you are being very rude here!

I have made clear here many times I will support the nominee.

Will you make that pledge?

[hrmjustin]

22. yeah but you will still vote for her basically.

[NanceGreggs]

83. Speaking of tired old stories ... n/t

[DrDan]

87. so the voters reject candidates with skeletons in their closets?

not sure about that . . .

[TeamPooka]

50. I've heard the "Hillary is the inevitable nomineee" thing before. nt

[hrmjustin]

51. yes you have but I was giving my opinion.

I think she will win this time.

[brooklynite]

52. apparently from Hillary bashers...

I challenge you to find someone here who supports Clinton who says her nomination is inevitable, or who opposes Warren or Sanders greeting into the race.

[joshcryer]

57. I have said that.

That it was inevitable. I've also said there was a 50/50 shot she doesn't run. But if she does it's hers to lose.

But I never opposed a Warren or Sanders potential candidacy and encourage it.

[TheNutcracker]

119. She will not win. You must have some republican votes, and they don't see her as an alternative

that they clearly want to not have to vote for another Bush.

Hillary is not an alternative, just as a Bush is NOT an alternative for us, if we did not like our nominee.

But you need those votes to win.

[hrmjustin]

120. Hillary has the best chance for a Democratic third term imo.

[SidDithers]

20. Welcome to DU...

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Good to see you!

Sid

[hrmjustin]

102. Wow that was quick!

[LostInAnomie]

3. Of course he is! Everyone knows "Puff the Magic Dragon" is an allegory...

... about lowering top marginal taxes rates for the upper class! Corporate scum!

[BootinUp]

4. you're on a roll!

[hrmjustin]

12. +1

[marym625]

11. Good one!

[NYC_SKP]

5. Both are on a Book Selling Tour, I think.

That's nice.

[brooklynite]

10. Puzzled...

I'm willing to assume that Bernie Sanders will be running; not sure why you don't think Hillary will as well.

[brooklynite]

24. Um, OK: no, no, they tried that before, she's not running?

[Aerows]

73. She hasn't announced it

but since you were hobknobbing with the smart, rich elite people, perhaps you can share your wisdom with the lowly unwashed?

[Bluenorthwest]

25. The thing about your #2 when you endorse Warren is that Warren was an actual adult Republican

not just right leaning but full tilt Reagan/Bush, 25 year loyal right wing voting. She voted for the anti gay, anti choice Party, the racist, ignorant Party. Blue Dogs are bad but fucking Reaganomics touting Republicans are worse.
So I guess for you, 'Goldwater Girl' is damnable, even if she was a Democratic First Lady when your candidate was still voting for Republicans? It's worth mentioning the Goldwater thing, but the whole 'voted for Reagan a second time when there were 5,000 dead from AIDS and he did nothing' thing is just fine with you? How does that work? How does being an adult, constant Republican voter not matter to those who use 'Goldwater Girl' as an insult?
It is hypocritical and dishonest to damn a person for having Republican parents while lauding a person who was an actual, long term, right wing, Reagan/Bush Republican. It just is, no matter what you think of either of the people. It's shitty to apply double standards. And it makes me distrust everything said and done by those who apply them.

[stevenleser]

26. I'm going to guess that crickets is going to be the response you will get.

Very thought provoking post.

[Scuba]

108. Crickets? No. A similar post by him/her was shot full of holes with no rebuttal. Can't back up ..

... the claims.

[BootinUp]

28. If Warren runs she will go down in flames

just my opinion of course.

[leftofcool]

48. Mine too. She has a lots of real estate deals to explain.

[TheKentuckian]

44. I do find it a concern but less vexing than Clinton's recent and current positions in critical areas

I don't think Clinton ever changed political orientation, just switched parties. Her point of view has been consistent for a very long time.

It seems pretty clear that somewhere along the line that Warren had some kind of Saul on the road to Damascus moment because she sure as shit isn't who is preaching or even hedging toward Reaganomics NOW.

Folks would be bringing up Clinton past a lot less if it was not so reflective of her present and that you don't have an argument for no matter how fierce and emotionally tugging the deflection is.

[RiverLover]

90. And Ronald Reagan began as a Democrat.

And I'd much rather have someone authentic who changed parties because she realized she didn't fit within that party anymore than someone who says she's in one party but whose actions belie it.

[cyberswede]

32. "do we want that thing to be our first woman President?"

I'm no Hillary fan, but calling her "that thing" is egregious.
I'm sure she means well and cares about Americans; she's just not lefty enough for me.

[cyberswede]

36. I don't disagree re: progressive issues, but people aren't "things"

even corporatists.

[hrmjustin]

38. Hillary Clinton is a SOS, Senator, First Lady, Mother, Wife, Daughter, and Friend.

She is not that thing.

[hrmjustin]

40. Yes she is a person.

[SidDithers]

41. ...

Sid

[BootinUp]

53. oh dear

[Number23]

75. Uh oh. The Troll Buster has been summoned!

[RandiFan1290]

91. For the OP?

[pnwmom]

43. "If *ANYTHING* at all for a woman President"????

IF???

AnyTHING????

At all????

Your sexism is betraying itself.

Women are not "things" and the question is not "if" but "when."

And the answer is:

The sooner, the better. Men have been driving this country into the ground.


http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/fast_facts/levels_of_office/Congress-Current.php

Women Serving in the 113th Congress 2013-15

Total Senate 100 (53D, 45R, 2I)
Women 20 (16D, 4R)

Total House 435 (201D, 234R)
Women 80 (61D, 19R), plus 3 (3D) Delegates

[muriel_volestrangler]

86. I have rarely read something on DU that screams 'PUMA' more than your screed above

"that thing", my arse. Who need Republicans to attack her when you're here to literally dehumanise her? Your 'skeletons' aren't skeletons. There is no blow job, for her. Whitewater was investigated for years, and there was nothing to it. That you mention Vince Foster indicates you are here to smear Democrats with bullshit.

You have no right to accuse others here of not being for party unity, when the raison d'etre of your userid is to try to make DUers hate a Democrat.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

7. So, she said to you that she is running for president? What else did she say? nt

[brooklynite]

17. No she didn't...but I can make informed assumptions from her message and body language.....

...just like I can can from meeting with Elizabeth Warren that she really, really, REALLY doesn't want to run.

One nice thing about being a deep pockets Democratic funder: you get to meet the most interesting people...

[ChisolmTrailDem]

23. "One nice thing about being a deep pockets Democratic funder:

you get to meet the most interesting people..."

Oh, I'm sure you do.

[WhiteTara]

56. I met lots of people and went to very

interesting events without money. I volunteered.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

58. Ye, so have I. I've met every president since Reagan and have met and campaigned with Hillary. nt

[WhiteTara]

61. Yep, you just have to offer up some time

and the world is your oyster. No money required.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

63. Exactly. All you need after that is beer and travel money....

[WhiteTara]

68. Gosh, I was always served wine

so, I just went home.

[GReedDiamond]

80. "I am due beer and travel money and many experiences"...

...was the signature catch-phrase of RandomThoughts, a former - (?) - and somewhat Legendary DUer.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

97. Still former, as far as I know. Legendary? Yes. And a hat-tip if he is still watching. nt

[morningfog]

165. God. Does your pretentiousness know no bounds?

We get it, we get it. You are a super important and awesome person because you are wealthy.

We get that is the point you claim time and again. Too bad wealth can't buy you modesty.

[UTUSN]

13. Well, if you go somewhere (to an event) you know what you're getting n/t

[brooklynite]

21. ...and yet you took the time to reply.

I'm touched.

[Union Scribe]

42. Lol, you hit that nail on the head. nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

45. And it doesn't sound any less douchey every time we're reminded either. nt

[Starry Messenger]

46. My mother always says money can't buy class.

I always think of that in these threads.

[brooklynite]

47. Considering that some people here are willing to insist that Elizabeth Warren is running...

Last edited Tue Dec 2, 2014, 07:54 AM - Edit history (1)

...based on a PEOPLE MAGAZINE article, I thought I'd provide some real world analysis on what Hillary is likely to do. Sorry if it offends you.

[BootinUp]

49. We appreciate the news!

pay no attention to those meanies.

[JI7]

70. i don't support Hillary and i like to hear the info

[stevenleser]

82. Interesting report on the get together. nt

[Phentex]

110. It only offended some...

not all. Others took it for the information that it is.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

29. Which fundraiser... Landrieu's (pro-Keystone) or the League of Conservation Voters (anti-Keystone)?

Did she clearly state her position?

[postulater]

30. Is a salon like where you get your nails done?

My daughter gets her eyebrows threaded at one of those places.

[hobbit709]

31. Been better if you went to a saloon.

[LeftyMom]

54. Wealthy establishement Dem name dropping noted. Eyes rolled, rude hand gesture made.

Moving on to interesting threads...

[Aerows]

66. This person delights in displaying wealth

and hobknobbing with "betters".

It makes me think this particular person probably has about a penny to their name because the only people that brag about their wealth are those that wish they had it.

[RandiFan1290]

88. Don't forget the racism!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014378251

[Aerows]

125. How nice.

Not.

[closeupready]

55. I used to actually like you. But this boastfulness and pride are ugly,

and unbecoming in someone who pretends to embrace what the Democratic Party stands for, and the thinly-veiled self-congratulation which you bring to the forums is disruptive. I don't appreciate it. Most of us obviously don't, considering you've received, to date, 3 recs to this thread, with 55 posts made so far.

As a point of reference, look at how JFK, Jr. boasted about all the money he gave away and the time he spent helping the less fortunate. (Wait! He didn't? No, I guess he didn't.)

I just wanted to say this before the thread gets closed, or whatever, but for someone who claims to be as successful as you are, you certainly didn't get much nobility in the trade-off. How Old World of me, I suppose, lol.

Go ahead and alert, ignore me, whatever - I'm done with this thread.

[brooklynite]

59. Sorry if you're offended...

Since the gang here at DU has plunged merrily into squabbling over the Presidential Election:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025897029
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5891778
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10025892792

I thought I'd add some real-world perspective on the likelihood of one of the major candidates. Just as I've added real-world perspective on someone else who gets a lot of promotion here.

As I've said before, I'd be happy to give up my opportunities in favor of publicly funded campaigns. We don't have them.

[Aerows]

62. I think you offended quite a few people

Equating people on DU as "a Gang" as though we don't all individually think you are insensitive and callous on our own.

Really brooklynite? I've known a lot of folks from Brooklyn, and none of them are as ham handed as you have revealed yourself to be.

[joshcryer]

65. People don't want to be exposed to the real world.

That's why they pontificate on the internet.

[Fumesucker]

76. Not all of us have the humanity to be "deep pockets" donors who attend "salons" with Hillary Clinton

That's the "real world", what we peons live is just some sort of Dickensian fantasy.

[joshcryer]

77. The response would be the same if it was a book signing.

Or a town hall meeting.

[Fumesucker]

78. The OP has a history of this sort of self-effacing modesty

I don't even spend that much time here any more and I recognize the signature style.

[JI7]

84. you don't need deep pockets to support a candidate

i supported Obama without much money and campaigned for him . and had even less before when i campaigned for Kerry.

[progressoid]

131. There a difference between the support you and I have for a candidate

and those who attend solons.

Tickets started at $1,000, but the next two tiers were $2,600 and $12,600, according to an invitation obtained by ABC News.

[JI7]

149. until something can be done about campaign finance candidates will need to do these to win

[closeupready]

67. Ok, in the spirit of being big tent, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Just try and think next time about how your words will come off here, when so many of us are struggling. K?

Peace.

[Aerows]

69. It didn't come off very

... I'm not sure how that came off, to be frank.

[JI7]

64. the boasting is more about Hillary being the Nominee than personal wealth

[Aerows]

60. And you think this resonates

with the middle class?

This makes people that struggle to put groceries on the table agree with you?

[LordGlenconner]

164. "Let them eat cake"

Or something like that.

[Aerows]

166. "My family isn't impacted"

"Why is your family having a problem? Did they deserve it?"

[Marr]

72. I'll say this much-- you're an excellent representative for your candidate of choice. /nt

[RiverLover]

89. Nicely put.

Clearly I could learn from you...

[Aerows]

126. Absolutely

Please proceed!

[pa28]

132. Yes indeed. Speaks volumes. n/t

[LondonReign2]

134. +1,000

Do hope his string of polo ponies are doing well, eh old sport?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

74. As I'm always telling Bono. Name dropping is so lame. nt

[Puglover]

144. Well fine then.

I was going to share my evening at the Abbey with the Crawleys last night but after reading this forget it!

I will say however, the sweetbreads were NOT a success.

[pamela]

81. Thanks for the post.

I actually don't have much to say about it but I hate seeing someone get bashed so badly for a fairly innocuous post.

[cali]

85. a salon? how pretentious can you get?

[cwydro]

92. I fell off my chair laughing

when I read the OP.

And the gratuitous mention of personal wealth was the cherry on top.

[FSogol]

101. Translation: Use 3rd grade words to preserve some phony concern for the less well off.

[mainer]

105. It's because the word "salon" is so French

And some people think that anything French must be unAmerican.

Oh wait. That's the Republican point of view.

[FSogol]

111. Exactly. I almost expected someone to start bashing John Kerry.

[wyldwolf]

150. LOL. Good ol' Cali. Sure gonna miss you when you're gone

You may want to shop for your luggage here:

http://www.today.com/money/cheapism-best-budget-luggage-1D79876932

Wouldn't want anyone to think you were pretentious because you bought the expensive stuff.

Need to get your hair done before you go? Might want to hit the $5 barber shop down on the corner.

[cali]

93. dear brooklynite, GRACE: On a site where there are people in real financial

straits, repeating ad nauseum how privileged and influential you are, is callous. There are people here who are so desperate they've asked for financial help from fellow DUers- which can't be easy to do.

I don't know why you have this apparently overarching need to inform us over and over of your status and connections. I've pretty much chalked it up to a pretty deep insecurity, but you aren't doing yourself any favors here.

I never get the feeling that you're actually trying to provide interesting information, much more that you're merely boasting to make yourself feel better about who-knows-what. I can think of another DUer here who is a good friend of Howard Dean's and was a close friend of a prominent journalist, who does provide interesting information and never comes off as a braggart. Perhaps you might try to emulate that.

Being gracious about your privilege; particularly in environments where there are people who are suffering financially, is something that would stand you in good stead.

Sincerely,

[KingCharlemagne]

100. You speak for me on this matter. Thanks! - nt

[FSogol]

103. Translation: No one should eat ice cream since some people can't afford ice cream.

[aspirant]

127. Is that the democratic Christian translation?

[mainer]

94. I don't understand all the grousing about this post

Brooklynite reported what he/she heard at a fundraising event. It's information, and I welcome all information. I don't whack the messenger.

ps, I'm not a Hillary supporter, but she does bear the Democratic label, so she does bear discussion here.

[cali]

95. It's fairly obvious.

[mainer]

96. So you'd rather not hear any info from anyone who happens to be wealthy?

It's like you're all trying to shut down a channel of information. I try to listen to everyone because it gives you the broader picture.

[progressoid]

130. what information?

That Peter Yarrow was there too?

Tickets started at $1,000, but the next two tiers were $2,600 and $12,600, according to an invitation obtained by ABC News.

[FSogol]

99. Translation: Join us in bashing a Democratic party supporter!

[Sheepshank]

122. OMG...wealth !!!!

lets stick it to the wealthy DEMS....is that the purpose of so many on this thread? If so, *meh*

I don't care if someone announces the support with money or with boots on the ground, door knocking....it's all support for the DEMS.

That some here have made this financial support one to be derided is so absolutely ludicrous...... and I'm not even sure I like Hillary all that much, but I know I don't like what's happening here.

[Phentex]

107. I don't either. And they will follow him from thread to thread to get a dig in...

is it jealousy or what?

The subject can be debated without going after the author of the post.

[mainer]

98. Salon: a definition

Salon (gathering)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A salon is a gathering of people under the roof of an inspiring host, held partly to amuse one another and partly to refine the taste and increase the knowledge of the participants through conversation.

Well geez. That's just horrible, trying to increase the knowledge of participants through conversation.

[snooper2]

162. I thought they were just sitting around getting their hair done

[mainer]

106. Hey, I have musical salons in my house all the time!

Except I just happen to call them jam sessions. Same thing.

[FSogol]

113. If you are an architect or arch student, you attend salons all the time. We hold charrettes too!

[mainer]

115. Is that like a BBQ with briquettes?

just kidding.

[FSogol]

116. Thank god, I didn't tell DU that I attended a Charrette. I'd get BBQed

[tammywammy]

109. The vitriol expressed towards this OP is disgusting.

What a pathetic display by some DUers.

[FSogol]

112. Very true. n/t

[Octafish]

118. Tell me about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5892796

[tammywammy]

135. I'm not sure I understand your point.

Are you upset that posters pointed out you've quoted from an anti-Semite? Are you upset because you linked to a thread "full of great DUers" and turns out the DUer that started that thread was banned for being an anti-Semite and people rightfully called you out on it? Are you upset because you think people keep lists if why people are banned and turns out it's right there in the damn profile?

Stop quoting and linking to Holocaust deniers and other anti-Semites and people wouldn't call you out on it.

Your actions in the thread you linked to is in no way comparable to this OP and it's completely disingenuous of you to try and compare them.

[Octafish]

137. Vitriol.

It's even more relevant on the post I linked to than the piling on in this thread. There, you and the others where I linked piled on and inferred I was an anti-Semite.

It's reinforced on this thread, where you write, "Stop quoting and linking to Holocaust deniers and other anti-Semites and people wouldn't call you out on it."

I didn't quote or link to anybody other than a DUer or anywhere other than DU. Why you have to repeat that I did bothers me.

[tammywammy]

141. Here's my only post to you in that thread:

tammywammy (20,208 posts)
169. it's in their profile

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=167827&sub=trans

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5892844


You linked to an article quoting Israel Shamir - a known Holocaust denier. You also said "great DUers" while linking to an OP started by someone that's been banned from DU for being an antisemite.

I'm not sure why you're confused on people questioning why you're quoting and linking to these people. If you stopped linking to articles to justify your position with quotes from a freaking Holocaust denier IN YOUR EXCERPT, people wouldn't question your motives. If you didn't link to old threads started by and heavily participated in by someone banned for being an antisemite people wouldn't question your motives.

This is a pretty simple concept.

[Octafish]

154. Thanks, yeah. It was the third one in that sub-thread saying the same thing.

The piling-on feels like bullying, to be honest. Organized. Repetitious. Same smear.

As for making me out like I'm an anti-Semite, no one's apologizing. Odd, as that recognition would be something more important than any DU post I linked to.

[tammywammy]

157. Have you apologized for quoting Israel Shamir?

I'll break this down for you real easy like:

I don't want people to think I'm possibly racist, because I'm not. So let's pretend David Duke comes out quoted in an article on something I agree with. Let's say David Duke says "Assange is a coward hiding from the Swedish judicial system and blaming the US." I'd agree with that statement. But what I wouldn't do is using that article that quotes a known racist to justify my own position.

And then let's pretend DUer anonymousDUer had started a thread with the same sentiment a year and a half ago, but in August 2013 they were banned by Skinner for "racist". But to back up my David Duke reference I say "some great DUers agree with me" and I link to anonymousDUer's thread.

What would happen, and rightfully so, is I'd get criticizes and "attacked" for using not one, but two racists to back me up. And some people would probably then assume I'm a racist.

So to avoid that, I don't link to racists. And if I did quote a person and honestly didn't realize David Duke is racist, I'd fucking apologize and not dig my heels in.

But you have chosen to not do that. And you expect other DUers to apologize to you, for your actions. What hubris. So people may think you agree with some antisemitic views because of your post about Israel Shamir and then linking to Fire Walk With Me's OP. Then you slyly tried to accuse another active poster of I guess keeping a list of why people are banned, and think you're being attacked when a few posters, within 5 min of your post, point out that it's in the banned poster's profile.

To sum it up: I can only speak for myself, I see no fucking reason to apologize to you.

[msanthrope]

142. You linked to Israel Shamir, over and over again. Even if you don't believe that he is an anti-

Semite, how can you POSSIBLY condone his work with Alexander Lukashenko in Belarus?

[Octafish]

155. No. The only thing being said over and over again is your smear.

Is that what you'd like to make DU into, msanthrope? Anyone who disagrees with you over Assange or WikiLeaks, let alone NSA wall-to-wall spying and online disinformation in the service of War Inc, is fair game.

Fuck that.

[msanthrope]

139. Are you still not understanding that you were rightfully critiqued because you linked to Holocaust

deniers?

Are you still wondering why I heavily criticized your sources? You think the man who promulgated the rumour that Jews at the WTC got texts telling them to not go into work on 9/11 is a credible source to quote for the defense of Assange against rape charges.

If Israel Shamir lies about the Holocaust,

And lies about the WTC,

WHY do you think he's a credible source on Julian Assange?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/08/israel-shamir-julian-assange-cult-machismo

[Octafish]

143. Thanks for proving my point.

You made out like I was an anti-Semite, msanthrope.

[msanthrope]

147. Octafish, take responsibility for the fact that you are linking to anti-Semites. No one

has called you an anti-Semite, but I think we just wonder at your dogged persistence in linking to ones.

[Octafish]

156. The new DU

Smear someone as an anti-Semite, repeatedly, not because it's true, but because of WikiLeaks and Assange. If enough people believe you, no one will pay attention when I bring up what WikiLeaks has shown: members of the US Government use war to make a very, very small part of the nation very, very wealthy.

I got links for that, my journals on DU3 or DU2.

[msanthrope]

158. Again...no one has called you an anti-Semite. But you cannot escape the consequences of your

linking, repeatedly, to anti-Semites.

We have a great thing in this country. It's called '"free speech."

You can say what you will. But you cannot escape the consequences of what you say.

[zappaman]

160. Guess they just don't get it.

[msanthrope]

161. Crop circle logic. nt

[zappaman]

159. Apples and oranges, my friend.

This OP doesn't refer to a banned anti-Semite as a "great DUer".
Nor does this OP link to Holocaust deniers.
Nice try though.

[Andy823]

145. I agree

It seems like pretty much the same bunch that bashes the president, and the party as a whole, day after day after day. I am pretty sure if someone who appeared to have "money" were to join their bashing party, they would be excepted with no problems at all.

[Bobbie Jo]

163. Not to mention.....

typical.

[TheNutcracker]

121. From all I have seen here on DU, Hillary does not have the base. So many are unhappy with her

lurch to the right. It doesn't matter how far she lurches, because republicans will never vote for her. Give them someone else to win, someone else for the republicans to voter for, as they don't want to vote for another Bush, either. But they will if it's Hillary! So give everyone an alternative. Something to look forward to.

I for one, don't want to hear about her personal problems with Bill, Flowers, Monica, and the rest. Then there is the policy. Bill signed NAFTA. Bill got rid of Glass Steagall.

These two things....are what we are still trying to dig our way out of. This is what killed the middle class. Hillary is going to undo these policies? Don't blame the current congress. Bill should never have done those things. He was the one who made us a corporate party.

Hillary supports TPP. Need I say more? Everything that I see here, says the dems don't want Hillary to run. Just those who can turn off the ads, pretend her record doesn't matter.

The GQ voters, will decide it does matter. They don't know a loyalty, as we do here.
So I am a true believer that Hillary cannot win.

[stevenleser]

123. DU is not the base. nt

[Aerows]

128. DU comprises people that go to the polls, though

Don't dismiss DU and the voters that are here day in and day out. Pretending that nobody matters except those that think as you do is a trap that too many candidates and their ardent supporters fall into.

When people say flat out - "I don't want to vote for this person" and give you reasons why they don't want to vote for said person, you should listen and figure out why your candidate isn't being supported.

[JI7]

148. both Obama and Hillary combined had less support than Kucinich did on DU

so that tells how much they reflect the overall public that votes.

[wyldwolf]

151. ^ truth! Though some here don't want to hear that.

[Andy823]

146. You may not want to hear about her problems

But you sure seem to keep repeating the over and over and over again. As for republicans not voting for here, who the hell cares who they vote for. We don't need republican votes to win in 2016, we need democrats to vote along with independents.

I am not a supporter or Hillary, but all the BS being spewed around here is really getting old. Everyday the same of BS from the same BS slingers, and it sounds more like a political add from the republican party than a "discussion" on issues for those who might run in 2016.

And has already been stated, DU is NOT the base of the party, not even close. Voters will pick the nominee, and then voters will decide who will be in the WH. One thing for sure "any" democrat is far, far better than the best republican the GOP may pick, and that is simply a fact.

[adirondacker]

124. I guess the BIG question is...

What color does she like to paint her toenails?

[Octafish]

138. Green.

Those without it can't afford the pedi or to be involved in Democratic politics.

[Rowdyboy]

129. Thanks for being brave enough to post this. Apparently many here think our candidates win magically

without the help of evil money. While I'm hardly a "deep-pocket" I've been to a couple of fundraisers over the years and they were interesting and educational so I appreciate when anyone posts something relevant to the upcoming campaign.

The angst from the professional "Hillary Haters" is always fun to watch. While I'm still on the fence about 2016, she's one of the best potential candidates we have and only fools reject candidates before the race begins. Bring them all on board and let the voters sort it out.

[Metric System]

133. You have MONEY?!? How DARE you post here! We don't need your kind to keep the White House in 2016.

[LondonReign2]

136. It's not the money

It's the apparent NEED to constantly tell us about the money

[ChisolmTrailDem]

140. A swing and a miss. nt

[wyldwolf]

152. pretty much sums it up. Lots of faux outrage in this thread.