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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 11:00 AM Dec 2014

Florida committing slow suicide

Florida abandons clean energy: State votes to gut efficiency goals and end rooftop solar rebates
Regulators gave traditional utilities "virtually everything they wanted"
LINDSAY ABRAMS
While the world moves forward in negotiations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, Florida just made an outrageous leap backwards. Regulators voted last week to nearly entirely gut the state’s energy efficiency goals — by over 90 percent — and to allow its solar rebate program to expire.

The proposals to roll back these rules were backed by three of the state’s four major utilities – Duke Energy Florida, Tampa Electric and Florida Power & Light — which, according to the Tampa Tribune, argued that programs offering rebates for things like rooftop solar panels or energy efficient water heaters were costing them millions, forcing them to increase energy rates for everyone while only a few benefitted.

But the 3-2 decision by the state Public Service Commission to approve those proposals, notes the Tampa Bay Times, gave the investor-owned companies, which are increasingly threatened by renewables, “virtually everything they wanted.”


http://www.salon.com/2014/12/01/florida_abandons_clean_energy_state_votes_to_gut_efficiency_goals_and_end_rooftop_solar_rebates/

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Florida committing slow suicide (Original Post) n2doc Dec 2014 OP
*sigh* Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #1
If only a few benefitted from the program, how did it cost them millions? LonePirate Dec 2014 #2
I'll bet on the crooks, they've proven it before. n/t n2doc Dec 2014 #6
Because the old grids are not suited for decentralized power-production. DetlefK Dec 2014 #7
Why do you think I call it Floriduh? n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #3
Florida men strike again! nt LiberalEsto Dec 2014 #4
Only the Sunshine state... LP2K12 Dec 2014 #5
For the sun? Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 #9
Who is going to stop them? Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 #8
Thanks for your insight. summerschild Dec 2014 #11
We had a choice between a crook and a weathervane. Fuddnik Dec 2014 #22
Y'er right. That is a fact of life. summerschild Dec 2014 #25
And how is that different from any election in any state? Bandit Dec 2014 #31
I hate Duke Energy. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2014 #10
Charlie Crist spoke about Duke and Scott in numerous campaign ads. lpbk2713 Dec 2014 #12
I love them... LP2K12 Dec 2014 #17
well, of course, you cut out the middle man. derp. Frack on, dude. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2014 #19
Fine, let the fuckers drown as sea levels rise. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #13
Old people of Florida don't give a shit about the environment taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #14
Is this the kind of compassion shown to the elderly and the poor? SylviaD Dec 2014 #16
^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #18
Make them affordable? abelenkpe Dec 2014 #27
I am not defending the awful decisions of Florida govt! n/t SylviaD Dec 2014 #30
Glad I got my solar hot water heater a few years back Roland99 Dec 2014 #15
*headdesk* sakabatou Dec 2014 #20
terrible Takket Dec 2014 #21
They should just turn over the state to Disney spinbaby Dec 2014 #24
Oh well. Let Florida destroy itself. I never will be living there. Dopers_Greed Dec 2014 #23
Wisconsin will be placing large fee on battery powered cars and riversedge Dec 2014 #26
Maddow did a segment on this isssue last riversedge Dec 2014 #28
South Carolina is similar lordsummerisle Dec 2014 #29

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
2. If only a few benefitted from the program, how did it cost them millions?
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 11:21 AM
Dec 2014

Either the writer is an idiot or these companies/regulators are crooks or both of these are true.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
7. Because the old grids are not suited for decentralized power-production.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 11:41 AM
Dec 2014

The big problem with eco-friendly energy-sources is that they produce electricity at many small spots and in an unregulated manner. That's a nightmare because all this electricity has to be added up into one constant voltage and that takes A LOT of electronic regulation-mechanisms.

And the old electricity-grids simply don't have all those steering-mechanisms because they were never needed when all the electricity came from only one source.

That's why Germany will need more long-range transmission lines the more it switches to decentralized power production.

Baitball Blogger

(46,737 posts)
8. Who is going to stop them?
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 11:44 AM
Dec 2014

Florida is a massive cesspool of political corruption and will remain that way because too many of their voters are easily persuaded by right-wing messaging. Too much collective knee-jerking and not enough personal investment in learning the facts.

summerschild

(725 posts)
11. Thanks for your insight.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 01:05 PM
Dec 2014

I keep reading about Florida and shaking my head, "What's wrong with these people?"

The most obvious seems to escape them.

How could anyone vote for Rick Scott? He's a crook and everyone knows it (should know it!)

Their politicians are squandering the citizens' health and lives. They are selling their financial futures - - - on and on it goes. WAKE UP, FLORIDA!

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
22. We had a choice between a crook and a weathervane.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 01:52 PM
Dec 2014

Don't forget that Crist was the Gov who signed the bill allowing Progress (Duke) to charge ratepayers for the plant that won't be built.

In a previous life as Atty. Gen., he was known as "Chain Gang Charlie", for his affinity for forced labor prisons.

When your choice is between 2 assholes, an asshole is gonna win every time.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
31. And how is that different from any election in any state?
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 06:11 PM
Dec 2014

It doesn't seem to matter what Party they claim at the time they all appear to be assholes. That is why America is in the shape it is. Why bother to vote at all? That seems to be the question the great majority of Americans are asking themselves, and their answer is they don't vote...I certainly can find no real reason to blame them..

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
12. Charlie Crist spoke about Duke and Scott in numerous campaign ads.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 01:10 PM
Dec 2014



And needless to say the voters heard what they wanted to
hear and made their preferences known on Election Day.

LP2K12

(885 posts)
17. I love them...
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 01:28 PM
Dec 2014

My TECO and Withlacoochee River Electric Cooperative bills were almost 30% higher than what I pay Duke.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
14. Old people of Florida don't give a shit about the environment
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 01:17 PM
Dec 2014

They'll be dead anyway before anything drastic happens. All they care about is saving $5 on their monthly energy bill.

SylviaD

(721 posts)
16. Is this the kind of compassion shown to the elderly and the poor?
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 01:24 PM
Dec 2014

To some people, saving a few dollars a month is significant. It's not that they don't have concern for the environment. And saying "they will be dead before anything drastic happens" applies to you as well, unless you are planning to be sprightly in 2100, around the time when the really bad stuff starts to happen.

Maybe you should look in a mirror before you start declaring that other people "don't give a shit" about things.

How about we work to make renewable energy alernatives affordable to the poor? Instead of demonizing those who are elderly and lack the means to welcome expensive green energy?

Takket

(21,578 posts)
21. terrible
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 01:48 PM
Dec 2014

Maybe Disney should start planning a Venice addition to Epcot's Italy pavilion, since it will be underwater soon enough.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
24. They should just turn over the state to Disney
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 02:01 PM
Dec 2014

Disney seems to own half the state anyway and certainly can't do any worse running it. Reminds me of a book I read years ago about the Disney invasion. It was called Team Rodent, I think.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
23. Oh well. Let Florida destroy itself. I never will be living there.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 01:56 PM
Dec 2014

I just hope their population moves to similarly awful state once it's underwater.

riversedge

(70,243 posts)
26. Wisconsin will be placing large fee on battery powered cars and
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 04:52 PM
Dec 2014

our electric bills just got raised--in the issue of fairness for those who use solar energy.


Your $322 Walker rebate headed for new gas, electricity taxes, fees. @govWalker/CliveBundy '16! -JSOnline http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/purple-wisconsin/282817031.html … #wipolitics
322 Walker rebate headed for new gas, electricity taxes, fees....

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Ah, your $322. Remember all that dough you were getting back in tax savings from Daddy Walker Warbucks?
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Your $322 Walker rebate headed for new gas, electricity taxes, fees. Walker '16!
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Ah, your $322. Remember all that dough you were getting back in tax savings from Daddy Walker Warbucks?

Scott Walker bought a lot of votes for $322, and asked you what you planned on doing with it.

Well, now we know where some of it's going next year.

To higher electric rates, as ordered by his Public Service Commission.

And, in one form or another - - higher prices at the gas pump and other 'transportation' taxes or fees - - to the politically-connected, well-oiled road-building-and-trucking machine to widen more highways though driving is on the decline.

Next up: $1 billion + for the added I-94 lanes, ramps, bridges and walls over and through Milwaukee's West side, cemeteries and Story Hill's border.

Details about Walker's new surtaxes, here.

No coincidence that this is taking place after the election.

Just as Walker's Act 10 got rolled out after the 2010 election. How long before these new taxes and fees are labeled and spun as "modest," or even" progressive"? Or a boon to "flexibility?"

Walker is taking back your alleged tax savings, and plans on cutting back transit funding, too - - so fares will go up and hit students, seniors and millennials without cars the hardest.

Do the Walkerites seriously think this is the way to attract young people to the state, or to keep them around after they graduate from college?

Defund transit, add an extra $50 tax on hybrid and electric car owners, to be penalized for trying to do the right thing, use less gasoline, keep the air cleaner and reduce climate change greenhouse gas emissions - - all in line with national priorities?

lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
29. South Carolina is similar
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 05:02 PM
Dec 2014

in this fashion. It should be an alternative energy stronghold with the abundant sunshine and some of the steadiest offshore winds on the East Coast. There's talk of planning an offshore wind farm but in general there seems to be little enthusiasm for any alternative energy.

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