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PsychGrad

(239 posts)
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 06:01 PM Dec 2014

John Fugelsang speaks TRUTH about Michael Brown....

"Some Americans who never trust their govt tend to be the ones who trust it completely whenever an unarmed black person is shot & killed"

Hear, Hear. (Sorry, I don't know how to post a pictrue)

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John Fugelsang speaks TRUTH about Michael Brown.... (Original Post) PsychGrad Dec 2014 OP
That is a powerful statement. And yes apparently true. BootinUp Dec 2014 #1
The only thing is TimeToGo Dec 2014 #27
Image... Triana Dec 2014 #2
This wasn't the original one... PsychGrad Dec 2014 #9
Step to post images ... aggiesal Dec 2014 #15
Thank you! PsychGrad Dec 2014 #16
Try modifying your original post to add the picture you wanted to add. ... aggiesal Dec 2014 #18
I tried - PsychGrad Dec 2014 #19
I think it has to do with the https (s - means security) aggiesal Dec 2014 #23
OK, I see what happened ... aggiesal Dec 2014 #24
Okay, thanks again! PsychGrad Dec 2014 #28
I don't think you can post pics from Facebook on DU. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #34
Kick!!!! I STILL think John Fugelsang should get his own show on MSNBC. calimary Dec 2014 #3
YES renate Dec 2014 #4
It just seems like a no-brainer to me. calimary Dec 2014 #25
Great Idea... Just Love John Fugelsang! ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #29
Our side is missing a big one here. He is a MAJOR talent with TONS of potential. calimary Dec 2014 #30
Again, I Completely Agree With You, I Do Have To Say ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #42
So a woman going sleeveless is "soft-core porn"? Better tell the First Lady. 7962 Dec 2014 #32
Yep, certainly - to all those things! Everything you said. calimary Dec 2014 #33
And also - I forgot to respond to your other worthy point about the "Lock Up" crap, as well. calimary Dec 2014 #35
Never could understand the appeal of "Lockup". nt 7962 Dec 2014 #37
Well, as you can probably tell, I don't get it either. calimary Dec 2014 #39
One MORE thing, 7962, to your point about the sleeves... calimary Dec 2014 #38
Those commercials crack me up!! 7962 Dec 2014 #40
Yeah, those commercials are well-aimed. Targeted demo and all that. calimary Dec 2014 #41
Going off on a bit of a rant here, TV is whats wrong with the country!! 7962 Dec 2014 #44
OH, You Might Have Forgotten Joey Scar! ChiciB1 Dec 2014 #43
Fuglesang is brilliant..... dawnie51 Dec 2014 #5
Welcome to DU, dawnie51! calimary Dec 2014 #31
I am going to be using this quote a lot. Thanks for posting it! marble falls Dec 2014 #6
That is because they themselves would like to kill a black person and get away with it. n/t Darkhawk32 Dec 2014 #7
I wouldn't go that far ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #13
I so wish you were right. SunSeeker Dec 2014 #36
Indeed. The Bundy Ranch nonsense was going on all summer before Brown's death became a huge story. Chakab Dec 2014 #8
So true. PsychGrad Dec 2014 #10
I was waiting for people to put that together, but it didn't happen. logosoco Dec 2014 #12
damn , k&r 1,000,000 SummerSnow Dec 2014 #22
K & R always for John Fugelsang.. love that man. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #11
I've found the same thing regarding the media ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #14
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2014 #17
Yeah, it's all subjective The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #20
spoke the truth once again. SummerSnow Dec 2014 #21
"I like when people who supported Dick Cheney foreign policy call other humans 'thug.'" KeepItReal Dec 2014 #26

TimeToGo

(1,366 posts)
27. The only thing is
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 05:31 PM
Dec 2014

There are many people out there who make a distinction between federal and local. Plus, they often make a distinction between what they think of as necessary functions of government (e.g. police and military) and unnecessary functions (e.g. social welfare, health).

I suspect it's less of a contradiction in their minds than in ours. Certainly not saying it makes sense, but . ..

aggiesal

(8,919 posts)
15. Step to post images ...
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 12:39 PM
Dec 2014

1) Right click on the image
2) Select the "Copy URL" or "Copy Image Location" option or something similar.
3) Paste into this message text space.
4) Select the [Font color=red]"Preview"[/font] button below.
5) Verify that the image is displayed.
Note: Sometimes you'll see extra letters after the image.
You can delete these extra letters, they are not needed.

6) If you like what you see, select the [Font color=red]"Post my reply!"[/font] button below.

Example:

I pasted the "http://www. democraticunderground. com/imgs/logo.gif" without the spaces after the "." (dots)
It kept posting the image a second time, so I had to put spaces so you can see the line entered.

aggiesal

(8,919 posts)
18. Try modifying your original post to add the picture you wanted to add. ...
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 04:02 PM
Dec 2014

Then we can see that it worked.

PsychGrad

(239 posts)
19. I tried -
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 04:17 PM
Dec 2014

it just keeps posting the URL as a link? He posted the original on his FB here - I cannot make the picture show up, sorry, not sure why it's not working for me! https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-John-Fugelsang-Page/180058246050

aggiesal

(8,919 posts)
23. I think it has to do with the https (s - means security)
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 04:33 PM
Dec 2014

You'll have to make a copy of the screen shot, and cut the image out of the screen.
I use PAINT, it's easy and it comes with Windows.

Then save the image to a file on your system.
You'll then have to save that image on a cloud site that does not require security, like
google Picasa.

Then repeat the steps I gave you, using that newly uploaded image from picasa (or a site of your choosing).

aggiesal

(8,919 posts)
24. OK, I see what happened ...
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 04:36 PM
Dec 2014

your link is a link to a webpage, not an image.

You need a link like
https://www.facebook.com/pages/ The-John-Fugelsang-Page/180058246050/ johnfugelsang_image.jpg
the jpeg name is made up, so this link will not work.

Make sure your mouse is hovering over the image you want to post, and then right-click and follow the directions.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
3. Kick!!!! I STILL think John Fugelsang should get his own show on MSNBC.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 07:36 PM
Dec 2014

Replace some of that damn "Lockup" crap.

renate

(13,776 posts)
4. YES
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 07:37 PM
Dec 2014

Now that you've said it, it's so obvious. It would be AWESOME and I think he would appeal to a young demographic, plus everybody else because he is excellent.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
25. It just seems like a no-brainer to me.
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 04:44 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:28 PM - Edit history (2)

If it were up to me, here's what would happen (edited and fine-tuned a little):

I'd give Rachel Maddow Friday night off. BECAUSE... she'd be moving to a Sunday-Thursday schedule because SHE would be designated as the host of "Meet the Press." Her Friday night hour, PLUS the hour that would otherwise belong to Lawrence O'Donnell (who's already on a Monday-Thursday schedule and doesn't do Friday night shows anyway) would be redirected towards a two-hour block following Chris Hayes's show on Friday nights. Host, John Fugelsang. Who would be allowed to do anything he wanted. Comedy, live music, lots of political satire, and guests of his choice. Sort of MSNBC's answer to Jon Stewart and Bill Maher. And that two-hour block of programming could be rerun at various times around the weekend. GET RID OF that damn "Lockup" crap. OUT! OFF! AWAY!

I'd also get rid of Andrea Greenspan and the man my husband lovingly refers to as Fuck Turd. She's not to be trusted. I know what kind of pillow talk she's exposed to every night. She's getting toward the age where maybe she'd like to run off with her financier husband and take a very cushy early retirement, and I'm also sure that dear Fuck Turd would find open arms waiting for him at Pox Noise. Look at how well howard kurtz landed on his feet over there! I would also make sure that Luke Russert spends a little more time toiling in the back of the vineyard before he's allowed to host anything. He hasn't paid enough dues yet, and there are TONS of capable reporters, anchors, analysts, and correspondents who could fill in, in the big chairs. He hasn't quite graduated up from the kiddie table, if you ask me. And frankly, I never counted myself among the news faithful who worshipped the ground his father walked on. Tim Russert ended up a wholly-owned subsidiary of the wrong-wing at the end of the Clinton era, and certainly all through bush/cheney from what I observed. I know they still burn incense to him at MSNBC but I found I couldn't trust him anymore.

I might bring back the Young Turks, too. Who the fuck cares if the republi-CONS in Washington didn't like Cenk and didn't want to be on his show? FUCK 'EM. WHO FREAKIN' CARES if they didn't like how GOPers were treated on his show? That's just TOO DAMN BAD. They're all just fine with Dems and liberals being skewered nonstop on TV and radio. Taste of their own medicine. See how they like it. Besides, it's just more of an opportunity to give the Elizabeth Warrens and Bernie Sanderses of the world more face-time, and build THEM into the media monsters that "Meet the Press" and other shows have done for john mccain. I would probably bring a whole new set of bookers into "Meet the Press" as well. They will be directed to lose john mccain's contact information immediately. NO MORE john mccain. He's been on MORE THAN ENOUGH already. He's had more face time than anybody, for no reason other than lazy bookers. Same thing with his little dog lindsey graham. AND bill kristol. NEVER AGAIN. NO NEOCONS FROM YESTERYEAR - EVER AGAIN!!! They, too, had their say, and everybody else's, for FAR TOO LONG, and, worse still, they were ALWAYS wrong. To try to book any of them would be an immediate dismissible offense. As in - you WILL, absolutely, be fired, regardless of seniority and alleged connections (obviously YOU have all the wrong ones anyway). We'd look to OTHER voices and OTHER faces, and MSNBC would become, truly and completely, the "dreaded liberal network" the enemy loves to paint it as being. It is NOT that because it does NOT present 24/7/365 political programming. The weekends are usually lost. Empty. Worthless. Irrelevant.

I would also, as head of this, insist that ANY opposing view would need my personal approval BEFORE they're invited to go on, or face immediate dismissal. From Michael Steele on down. I AM NOT KIDDING. It's time to get VERY tough and ruthlessly one-sided, because we're part of a much bigger fight here. That would allow MSNBC to sift through the CON talkers and limit their access, plus the opposition figures could be STRATEGICALLY chosen to further OUR message - on the basis of how wussy and incoherent they are on the air. These assholes have been groomed and trained and schooled in how to be rude, how to interrupt, how to talk over the Democrat or liberal, how to keep pushing your point over them and in spite of them, and THAT HAS TO BE STOPPED, TOO. Those loud motormouths would NO LONGER get on the air at MSNBC if it were up to me. Besides, if they want airtime so badly, there's always Pox Noise. It's not like they don't have someplace to go to be heard or to get exposure or more face time.

In addition, I would reinforce with the remaining hosts that THEY are on notice. WE DEMS ALSO should have an "Eleventh Commandment": Thou Shalt NOT Allow ANY CON or GOP'er (or other such oppositional blatherer) To Get The Last Word. This would be enforced on a three strikes basis. First offense, the host gets a reprimand. Second offense, the host is suspended for a week. Third offense, the host is dismissed. Hopefully this would also subtly school the opposition - if you want to try to infiltrate, or press your point of view, you better damn well not be rude because you will NOT be allowed on. AND if you try it, your mic will be CUT. I would make that a direct order to ALL hosts AND their producers, AND the folks in the control room as well - the ones with the cut-off switch within easy reach of their fingertips. ZERO tolerance.

I would also take Patrick Murphy off the air temporarily. He needs a speech and diction coach. He suffers from mush-mouth syndrome. He's photogenic, charming, endearing, likable, and intelligent. But he can't get a clear sentence out to save his life! Get him some elocution coaching and then put him back on.

AND - I would bring back Keith Olbermann. THERE. I said it. Damn straight I would. Would have to do it judiciously, of course. I'd have to figure something out because he brings baggage with him. YES, I realize he's prickly in the newsroom and controversial outside the newsroom. FUCK IT. We need him back on there. ANYWAY! Everybody just DEAL with it! The whole progressive movement needs his voice out there, loud and long! Articulating our points with fire and brimstone, and calcium deposits to the flimsy backbones of Dems who are presumably in positions to do something about it. Besides, he gets ratings, dammit! And the publicity would bring all kinds of eyes back to MSNBC, who, I think, were alienated by his departure because they had no loud voice shouting out and getting in-yer-face with the enemy on their behalf. He said what most of us think, and try to say - but without the large prominent podium he's had and would have again, if I had my way. I would LOVE to just plunk him back on the air on his own hour. Maybe, at least at first, give him a weekend show that gets replayed - as the Fugelsang show would be. Ease him back in, and then, let's watch what happens! Hell, I might even put HIM in as host of "Meet the Press" if Rachel Maddow doesn't want it. Keep her on a Monday-Friday schedule and just start the Fugelsang block an hour later.

And I'd put Steve Kornacki on a more high-profile shift. His talents are wasted at 5am on Saturday mornings (at least here on the West Coast). He deserves MUCH better. Maybe Ronan Farrow should take that early slot. He doesn't impress me (or he hasn't yet impressed me), but he's got something to say, and an appealing personality, so I wouldn't get rid of him. I'd want him to toil in the back of the vineyard a little more, too, before getting a weekday show again. I'd move him and maybe put Kornacki in there, instead. That way, Kornacki gets Monday-Friday exposure. As he ages and edges away from the "young whipper-snapper" image he currently has, he could be a major power. He already knows how to report and investigate. He's already earned his stripes. He's a good anchor, too. VERY appealing. Ronan, you'd thus be given a TWO HOUR show. And we could rerun THAT elsewhere during the weekend to keep your face out there, with continued appearances as a talking head on weekday shows. Ronan could be groomed. He could be interesting, but he hasn't really shown it yet. Kornacki HAS.

I'd try to coax Randi Rhodes back onto the airwaves (TV this time) and STEPHANIE MILLER!!!!!! back over as well. I have long been annoyed by joe scarborough. First of all, NO republi-CON should have, or host, a show on MSNBC. Do any liberals have shows on Pox Noise? I rest my case. I put up with Abby Huntsman mainly because she's one of FOUR and she's not as hard-core as some on that side of the aisle - but she, like Luke Russert, is basically there because she's a member of the Lucky Sperm Club, and she still hasn't exactly paid a lot of dues yet. I might be tempted to have Stephanie Miller take over the early morning slot, Monday-Friday. She was hilarious when she did it for a week or two several years ago. It really worked, with the Mooks and everybody else like we'd hear and chuckle over every morning on the radio. It worked! Let's see if it's worth letting Mika Brzezinski join up with her, see how that works out. Mika might be worth keeping, but she has to wear clothing with sleeves a little more often, dammit. This isn't a skin show or Bravo or E, its a news channel, okay? Not soft-core porn, nor is it that proverbial seat at the bar, as elizabeth lauten would say. This is MORNING NEWS TELEVISION that's NOT on Pox Noise, okay? They have the bimbo specialty (especially since their prime demo is composed of bitter, horny old white men). WE don't need 'em so much at MSNBC, especially considering our demos go WAY farther and deeper than just a bunch of bitter, horny old white men. ENOUGH with the tight dresses, sky-high hemlines, fuck-me shoes, and bare arms. ENOUGH. You're in a news room, girlfriend, not a cocktail party. And there ARE ways to look sexy on TV, if you absolutely must, without rubbing it in our faces. Might also want to steal Ashley Banfield from CNN. Always did like her, too.

But it's the weekends that need the most desperate fixing. Weekends are when I tune AWAY from MSNBC. They offer me nothing. And I'm sure multitudes of other MSNBC viewers would think so, too. If I were in charge, I'd BIG-TIME change that.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
29. Great Idea... Just Love John Fugelsang!
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 06:00 PM
Dec 2014

First heard about him through Stephanie Miller Show then he made appearances on Cenk Uger and other programs before Gore sold yo Al Jazeera.

Also, on MSNBC as guest more frequently.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
30. Our side is missing a big one here. He is a MAJOR talent with TONS of potential.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:03 PM
Dec 2014

Handled correctly he could be another Jon Stewart. He's got the chops, the well-developed and crafty sense of humor, and he looks great. Photopraphs well. Superficial I know, but this is TV and everything goes down better on TV if the "delivery system" is nice-looking. Anyone wonder why every woman on Pox Noise (except for Greta) looks like she's ready for that all-important seat at a bar (as that elizabeth lauten bitch described in her adorable put-down of the Obama daughters). John Fugelsang is intelligent AND articulate - and in a catchy way. And we need all the bench-strength we can get, as far as spokespeople, voices for OUR side. Voices on OUR side.

I think he should be seriously cultivated and groomed for his own show. This is another resource WE have, on our side, for message delivery. HE does it with a chuckle, a clever quip, and a fetching little grin, and that ALWAYS makes the message go down just a little easier. Sneakier way to get it across. The same way the scrawny little kid who could make the bullies on the playground laugh wound up embraced by those ruffians, protected AND defended. I've interviewed enough comedians in my day to have heard that one again and again.

We need to GROW people like him. Aggressively and relentlessly. From the roots up. Remember how Rachel Maddow started inviting the then-nobody-heard-of Elizabeth Warren onto her show as a guest, interview subject, source authority on the issues of America's kitchen tables? Nobody'd ever heard of Elizabeth Warren outside her own circle of expertise, until then. And Rachel plucked her out of obscurity had her on several times so her message started getting out to more of the masses. And her profile grew. Her public persona grew. And gained ground - and followers galore. And look where she is now. She's a force to be reckoned with now, and she can no longer be ignored. And she's been given a seat at the table in the Democratic Senate hierarchy. They had to. They know how much clout she has with the base. They know what she means. She's being mentioned for President now - SERIOUSLY. That's because she was spotted in the crowd early on, when she was pretty much a nobody, and was given exposure and a chance to GROW AND DEVELOP as a public persona. And look what's happened!!!!

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
42. Again, I Completely Agree With You, I Do Have To Say
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:02 PM
Dec 2014

that since it's a really busy time of year, I'm just skimming over what I'm reading not giving it my usual full attention. But, some things I DO know about him may have been posted but I find his personal story very interesting. Not sure which religion it was, maybe Catholic, but BOTH of his parents are former clergy persons who quit their faith and get married. What makes this so interesting is John can quote so much of the Bible, chapter and verse when confronted with the "oh, so Christian" other side. Plus, he's actually a comedian who traveled with Stephanie Miller around the country. Over the past two years I've watched him move up the political scale rather quickly and is very impressive and intelligent. He's a "quick draw McGraw" type who is a really cool customer. I don't think I've ever seen him flustered AND he enjoys pushing back and calling people on the carpet.

I'm just not sure MSNBC will give him the free reign he would demand. Plus, I feel he would upstage their crowned Number One, Chris Matthews. I'm one who's unimpressed with "tweety" and have stopped watching him because he blows hot and cold so much of the time. Plus, he toots his own horn way too much.

For me, John would be a super shot in the arm for those of us who are more to the left. Just wonder if he would want to walk their thin line. If MSNBC was smart they would get behind him, but they've gotten rid of three I can think of right off the bat because they started straying too fart away from their agenda. David Schuster, Martin Bashir and Keith Olbermann. Plus Cenk Uger was offered some kind of deal making more money but they wanted him to agree to their agenda. He said NO.

However, I would love to see them give him chance, but they're so MSM beholden to Comcast and others and are under their thumb.

And yes, his looks would REALLY go a long way... talk about upsetting TWEETY! You are correct in what "the look" for TV plays, he certainly would have many following him!

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
32. So a woman going sleeveless is "soft-core porn"? Better tell the First Lady.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 11:14 PM
Dec 2014

She's been praised for having fit arms and not being afraid to show them. Its not like the women are wearing T-shirts.
And any opposing view would have to go through YOU first? Are you wanting a news channel or a left version of MArk Levin? Because thats pretty much what you're advocating.
And they'd never drop "Lock Up", it their ratings winner.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
33. Yep, certainly - to all those things! Everything you said.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:42 AM
Dec 2014

Yes, definitely. My own personal bias is totally showing. I just think women news brokers and curators need to dress a little differently. I just do. Incongruous? Yeah, probably. The First Lady is in a class by herself. Gloriously so. And she can bare her arms in whatever circumstances, since it's always in a tasteful context. From her collar to her shoes - which BTW are NOT the fancy sex-bomb stilettos we see Mika and others prancing around in. I've never seen Michelle Obama in 4-to-5-inch heels (higher if you add the platforms on some pairs of them). I just think the way Mika and a few others dress is not entirely appropriate for that kind of job. It sends a different message than should be sent.

This stems from my getting rather annoyed while watching the first months of "The Cycle." Back when "sippy cupp" (S. E. Cupp) was on. It just totally burned me up! Coming up on almost EVERY commercial break without fail, the camera would be positioned below desktop level and zooming slowly in. So basically your view is sneaking down in, under the table. Where you saw sippy - whose chair was positioned closest to the camera so your view through that camera would always be basically behind her and over her shoulder. However, in this case it wasn't at shoulder level. It was at the seat-of-the-chair level. Where you saw - as the camera zoomed in - sippy's butt, short tight skirt over said butt, long bare legs, and sky-high platform stilettos - shoes designed to make the legs of the wearer even more curvy-looking just because of how the muscles in the back of the calf bunch up when one is wearing heels that high. Like minimum four-inchers. Fashion and sex appeal and all that. Okay... I'm sorry... THAT's a girl who doesn't have to jump up and run out to cover a story and stand on her feet in front of the courthouse all day or in the rain and cold for hours or ... I just found it galling. And insulting. Because as a onetime reporter/anchor, I did have to do all those things. Those shoes don't go with those things. This isn't supposed to be about your legs, anyway, honey. Sheesh. And maybe yes, I'm turning into an old fart. That absolutely could be part of it, too.

If I were in charge at MSNBC, yeah, I'd probably run it like a tyrant. You kinda have to - if you're in charge of an organization full of towering high-priced egos like that. I would certainly have to supervise that closely at first. It'd take awhile for everybody else to come along. Yes. I'd feel the need to clamp down HARD. I'd mainly be looking to help shape the message. Hey - Roger Ailes did it. And my main point is that - why is it only that side that crafts and tailors a message? What's so wrong with that, if you're advancing the liberal view? Why can't we do that? Why can't we BE the liberal network? Be it. It's not as though there isn't a thirst for it out there among news consumers. There's the problem: there is such a scarcity of liberal views in the media. Talk radio is wall-to-wall CON. Pox Noise is, too - around the clock, 24/7/365. They don't stop for cheap canned tabloid programming for most of the weekend the way our only relatively-mainstream cable outlet does. And if that's all you hear and all you see and all you get, how are you even supposed to know there's any other way to think?

I think that's what our side is severely lacking, and desperately needing. I think part of our problem is that we can't seem to get the messaging correct. The opposition is utterly rhapsodic about it. They are virtuosos on that side of the aisle, extremely organized, focused, and disciplined. Yeah, I know, that thing about Dems - part of what makes us us - the whole "herding cats" thing. That may have contributed strongly to our bad news on the last Election Night. The other side is fabulous at messaging. It's WHAT they're messaging that sucks. For our side, it's the other way around - we suck at messaging even though WHAT we are about is much better for everyone (well, maybe not quite so much for the 1% but they've certainly had their turn at the front of the line). That, in my opinion, has to be FIXED. Otherwise, I fear we'll be rolled again, but this time it'd be in a presidential election cycle, when we can least afford it.

And yes, too, I AM advocating for a balls-out LEFT channel. And yes I realize I'm probably just puffing up pipe dreams. But that's what I'd do. Particularly since there's one for the so-called right. And they ARE 24/7/365. I just want to even the playing field. Push things back LEFTWARD, and with a very hard and vigorous and muscular push. Here in L.A. I suffer from a lack of liberal programming on the radio - which becomes important when one drives a lot, as one does here. I suffer from no liberal programming at all, really, since they took the KTLK lineup off. And I think we need to feed the liberal programming needs for a change. REALLY fill them. Why must we always have to scrounge through obscure channels and feeds? Why can't we have ONE big one? In my fantasy, where I would be in control like that, you bet I would assert such an agenda. I think we need it. I think we need a powerful media push. That's how the other side did it, conquering talk radio. That voice is lacking. And it's needed, precisely at a time when Democrats and liberals and progressives everywhere are questioning what our side's reps even stand for. What we stand for is NOT being solidly and sufficiently articulated. We need to be loud and proud about it, I think. Do you know how many people I've heard in conversation and read and seen posting - missing Keith Olbermann? You know how he is! And often, those missing him admit to it begrudgingly. But they know that's the kind of thing we need. I'd try to put it back in place. Promote the bejeezus out of it, and let the ratings do what they do.

Hey, this is fantasy football for me. I'm certain I'll be just another blogger somewhere, and nowhere near a place like that for the rest of my days. My career is LONG over. I retired from the day-to-day news thing a couple of decades ago. I had a good friend and colleague who went from the news director position at a full-service radio station in Northern CA to New York City in a staggeringly huge break. She was hired to be PD - program director - of a MAJOR LEAGUE AM full-service station. She wanted to put "Spy" magazine on the air and saw this as the vehicle to do so, especially since its ratings were down and they were looking for something new. Surprise! They liked what they heard, and hired her! She eventually left there, very dissatisfied, her goals unfulfilled, feeling as though the built-in situation that confronted her when she arrived - was too hard and set-in-stone to combat or change or modify in any way. She wanted to move or dismiss some talent - and their agents and contracts got in the way. She later told me it felt like "moving pianos around all day." I can relate. I'm certain if there were ever such a fluke of the natural order of things that I would be hired to run MSNBC (like that would happen in a trillion years!) my changes would probably piss some people off, internally, who'd obstruct, and/or their agents or managers or PR reps would interfere and demand stuff and there'd be contracts that wouldn't budge and pianos and other mountains galore to have to move around.

But yes, if it just so happened that I ever got that job, those are indeed the changes I'd make. Or at least attempt to implement.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
35. And also - I forgot to respond to your other worthy point about the "Lock Up" crap, as well.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:02 AM
Dec 2014

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You are certainly correct about that, 7962. I, too, have read that the cheap, cheesy, tabloid "Lock Up" series is high-rated (at least by MSNBC standards). But I suspect that's because they don't offer anything better. You don't think a John Fugelsang show in a two hour block on Friday nights (with replays), and another John Fugelsang two-hour block on Saturday nights (with replays), wouldn't get ratings? Wouldn't churn up talk and video clips replayed on other shows - the way Jon Stewart and Bill Maher and the late night comedians get replayed on other shows? I think he'd hip it up on weekends. Suddenly there'd be something new and hip and happening and more edgy that might appeal to some of the younger demos. I think there'd be active participation among the viewers. On the weekends is the perfect place to try that kind of thing. A little hip, a little outlaw. And the undercurrent would still be liberal-based. And THAT is where you could bring on the Mikas and others with their tighter, skimpier, more alluring attire, as guests. Let 'em live it up. Let Fugelsang play. See what might happen. Plus it would further develop him as a personality, which would add to his clout, make him more of an established household name, and that would bring marquee value and bigger ratings to his shows.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
39. Well, as you can probably tell, I don't get it either.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 04:35 PM
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To me, it just says cheesy, mindless, and cheap-ass programming. Cheap-ass and Cheap-as-shit. Where management could have had more people working and creating worthwhile, relevant, and watchable programming. But they like "Lockup" type programming because it's cheap. One camera crew. Maybe a local camera crew to save even more money (hey, why fly one of your professional, seasoned, network-caliber teams out to every locale?). Never mind the writer. Have the anchor, back in the studio, look through the footage and write his/her own lead-ins and outros? Who needs a writer? Who needs a producer? Never mind that those are jobs that people need and there are MANY qualified professionals who could fill. Just so it's cheap. And there go more jobs.

Never mind the totally NOT lavishly-populated news staff you'd need to cover those hours of programming needs, and, uh, this weird unknown and allegedly-too-expensive something called - um - "THE NEWS"? Didn't anyone ever hear of the old adage "it takes money to make money"? And since when did the news stop happening on weekends? Hey, if Pox Noise can think up original "news" programming to cover the whole weekend, why can't MSNBC?

And don't tell me there isn't anybody, or that there's no one available to staff this stuff, or however you try to slide it! I know and know of hundreds of well-qualified and reliable professionals who'd love any of those jobs, even if they pay shit.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
38. One MORE thing, 7962, to your point about the sleeves...
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 04:25 PM
Dec 2014

Watching MSNBC this morning, I noticed that Tamron Hall AND both the female hosts of "The Cycle" appeared onscreen - wearing outfits that included sleeves. So help me, all three of them - Tamron Hall, Krystal Ball, and Abby Huntsman - were just as gorgeous, sexy, and alluring as can be. They're beautiful women. Frankly, if they were wrapped up in burlap bags and string, they'd STILL look gorgeous, and sexy and alluring as all-get-out, too.

And there's something else I forgot to rant about. And I don't know how to combat this, even in my imaginary position as head of MSNBC. The DAMN VIAGRA and CIALIS COMMERCIALS!!!! FUCK!!!!!!! GET THEM OFF!!!!!!!! It's frickin' ENDLESS!!!!! Do they think all I care about as an "older" woman is fucking? Do they think all my husband - as an "older" man - cares about is fucking? I'm sorry, but we have a lot more going on in our lives, individually and together as a couple, than just whether we're able to fuck all the time! Or whether he can get it up all the time or not. DAMN!!!! GET OUT OF OUR BEDROOM, WILLYA????? Not sure what I could do about that because it's sponsorship and advertising revenue and blah-blah-blah. Yeah, don't touch the advertisers. I know all about that. They were sacrosanct back when I was working, too. The "sanctity" of the commercial sponsor, I suppose. All hail! But ENOUGH!!!! I watch (more or less) MSNBC pretty much all day. I have it on in the background while I'm working. If I had a dime for every damn Viagra or Cialis commercial that made air, I could finance a world tour for the band and have money left over to go diamond shopping.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
40. Those commercials crack me up!!
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 06:16 PM
Dec 2014

Ever notice: The men are ALWAYS good looking, look to be in great shape, always involved in some macho type activity, i.e. working on a car, repairing a machine, out on a farm.
They are NEVER seen overweight, smoking, sitting on the couch.
And the nightly network news is full of these and other medication ads! I guess the demo watching the CBS news is older.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
41. Yeah, those commercials are well-aimed. Targeted demo and all that.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 06:58 PM
Dec 2014

Infuriating. And you'll note most of these male models have that craggy Don Johnson "Miami Vice" scruffy beard that is achieved by skipping several customary rounds of shaving over a two- or three-day span. And they all look like 20-somethings from the rear, too. I'm 61. Is that all they think of me? Is that all they think I'm interested in? That I'm hung up on my husband being Cowboy Marlboro Man enough and/or able to get it up? CRIMINY!!!!!

And you're correct yet again - about the strategic casting of these commercials. Notice the middle-aged women in there are also trim and healthy and fit and apparently free of obligation like job or childcare or underway/still-needed home repairs or carpool or grandparenting or stress or that nice new friend, arthritis, or that thing with the ailing and increasingly dependent family member or the ever-present cell phone in her ear (and her neck cocked in "that" position bracing the phone between jaw and shoulder because her hands are already busy elsewhere) because somebody has a problem that only she can solve (from school, the office, the company, the neighbor, the creditor). And she doesn't have a double chin and they don't show her cellulite and varicose veins and saggy boobs. As most of us in that age group actually have made close friends with. Even worse is the series of Viagra commercials that focus on the woman. Either she's a blonde and speaks with an appealing "Bond Girl"-type Australian accent and gives you that "come hither" look throughout the spot, or she's got filmy drapery gently wafting around her and she's brushing her long perfect raven hair and strolling around the pool on her tiptoes in a thin flowing gown. And the breeze - NOT wind but breeeeeeze - blowing her gown against her frame so it's clear how nicely she's built beneath the fabric... GOOD GRIEF, GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!

Sex, sex, sex. It's frustrating because it permeates everything. I won't get all sophomoric about it and annoy everybody here even more than I usually do. But it's just really staggering to me - to observe and take note of, the overpowering influence that SEX has on our lives. On our policies. On our prejudices. On our belief systems both religious and secular. In the foundation of much of the trouble we face as Americans, seems to me, there is the sex thing, sure enough, and deeply imbedded. Historically so. I find I think about this all the time.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
44. Going off on a bit of a rant here, TV is whats wrong with the country!!
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:53 PM
Dec 2014

Its TV more than the GOP. More than all the bad cops we're seeing. My reasoning is this: I'm in my 50s. When I was growing up, the "rich folks" on TV were the Brady bunch. Until "Dallas" & "Dynasty", there werent really a lot of shows showing BIG wealth. On the Jeffersons, they were "movin on up" and their deluxe apt in the sky wasnt much more than what we saw on Friends decades later.
Fast forward to the 90s on up, and now we see the "Real Housewives of ________" The Kardashians, Paris Hilton, Million Dollar Listing, million dollar yachts, any number of other reality shows featuring musicians and their trappings of wealth, all the "average guy" contestants on several other shows, etc etc.
Now everyone sees stuff THEY dont have and they feel inferior because they dont have it. So they borrow and borrow to appear more successful than they actually are, in dollars anyway. Some resort to stealing to get what they want.
When I was a kid, some of the doctors or lawyers drove cadillacs and a Mercedes here and there. Today, there must be 40 different luxury models out there. And since you cant afford them, you can conveniently LEASE one for the same monthly payment as a purchased Impala.
When I was a kid, my "rich" friends with doctor or lawyer dad lived in homes that were bigger than mine, but dwarfed by todays homes. Family size hasnt changed, but the average home size is hundreds of sq ft larger.
We think we need all this stuff because of what we see on 265 channels every day. We must be a loser if we dont have the SUV, boat, jet skis, 2nd home, fancy watch, latest phone, 60 in flat screen, etc.
All because of the TV.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
43. OH, You Might Have Forgotten Joey Scar!
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:06 PM
Dec 2014

He does NOTHING for me on top of his awful views! MSNBC just fawns over him! YUK!

But the ads ARE really just too much for me and there are sooooooo many!

dawnie51

(959 posts)
5. Fuglesang is brilliant.....
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 07:47 PM
Dec 2014

and he phrases his rebuttals and comments so beautifully. He shows these hypocrits and baggers for what they are. He's truly one of our best and brightest and he should be on the tube daily.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
31. Welcome to DU, dawnie51!
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:07 PM
Dec 2014

Glad you're here! I fell for John Fugelsang the first time I saw him on TV. Actually long before that, because I heard him on the Stephanie Miller radio show and loved what he said. Because of that, he became part of the stable of people who were positioned to go on TV every so often because they were so clever and glib and could get points across VERY craftily and memorably and amusingly (read: harmless, when the "jester" does it and makes you laugh) and within just a few seconds (for broadcast, since you can't ramble on and on, but you have to edit yourself strategically). And best of all, he's good-looking and very photogenic. That can only help when you're talking on-camera. BIG asset. AND with brains behind that attractive face - BIG-TIME BONUS POINTS!!!

AND he's even got a gimmick. He's got a funny name. Even his name kinda makes you laugh. MORE bonus points. Making you laugh disarms you. And then you're owned.

He's a resource. And we need to grow and develop and exploit that resource. With all our might!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
13. I wouldn't go that far ...
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 11:20 AM
Dec 2014

I think it's more, they are just trying to "reason" away the unreasonable.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
8. Indeed. The Bundy Ranch nonsense was going on all summer before Brown's death became a huge story.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 09:02 PM
Dec 2014

I found it amazing how Hannity and the rest of the Fox idiots went from questioning whether federal agents had any real authority whatsoever to claiming that "cops are ALWAYS right" and that "you can never question the authority or integrity of police officials" overnight.

It's funny how the vast majority of these so-called Libertarians couldn't seem to care less about the "tyrannical government" so long as the jackboots are on the throats of people that they wouldn't want living next door to them.

PsychGrad

(239 posts)
10. So true.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 09:06 PM
Dec 2014

And the Bundy thing was so freakin' obvious - letting his cows eat free on our dime and then pulling weapons on the govt to enable himself to continue to steal. I can't sometimes with these people.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
12. I was waiting for people to put that together, but it didn't happen.
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 10:39 AM
Dec 2014

Silly me! I also expected some of the "right to life" people to be at the protests. They proclaim to care about life, and they are good at holding signs and yelling. Wouldn't this case be right up their alley?

I do like this John Fugelsang, seems like I started noticing him right before this story and I do like the way he talks smart but simple. And he is pretty nice looking, which would make him a good choice for TV. If they had more folks like this on cable news, I may subscribe and start watching again.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
22. damn , k&r 1,000,000
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 04:22 PM
Dec 2014

If 100 black people showed up with arms and pointing it at law enforcement. They would be gunned down in a blinking of an eye.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. I've found the same thing regarding the media ...
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 11:23 AM
Dec 2014

The same people that distrusted the media (with good reason) during the Bush years; have suddenly come to trust the same media, since January 2008.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
20. Yeah, it's all subjective
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 04:17 PM
Dec 2014

We all have our own perceptions which can change in a given situation. Few people are rigidly consistent no matter what.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
26. "I like when people who supported Dick Cheney foreign policy call other humans 'thug.'"
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 05:05 PM
Dec 2014

Another Fugelsang gem.

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