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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:18 PM Apr 2012

Major manufacturers abandoning China for U.S.?

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-manufacturers-abandoning-china-20120420,0,3679186.story

China may no longer be the go-to place for American manufacturers looking for cheap labor and favorable policies. A new report shows many large companies are looking to move their production facilities back to the States.

Of the 106 executives surveyed by Boston Consulting Group, 37% said they were planning to or actively considering “reshoring” their factories in the U.S.

And that’s just for U.S.-based companies with annual sales of more than $1 billion. Among manufacturers who make $10 billion or more a year, 48% of executives said they want to relocate operations back home.

The urge is especially pronounced among leaders of companies working in industries responsible for 70% of the goods imported to the U.S. from China: transportation goods, electrical equipment, furniture, computers and electronics and more.
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Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
1. Union Labor, Living Wage Labor, Minimum Wage Labor or Prison Labor?
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:20 PM
Apr 2012

The later two really won't help the economy that much.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
2. Wow! I never thought I'd see that headline!
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:25 PM
Apr 2012

Here's why: (from the article)

“Not long ago, many companies regarded China as the low-cost default option for manufacturing,” said Michael Zinser, a partner with the consulting group. “This survey shows that companies are coming to the conclusion surprisingly fast that the U.S. is becoming more competitive when the total costs of manufacturing are accounted for.”

Blame rising Chinese wages and increasingly complicated logistics. More than half of the manufacturers who said they would move factored in high labor costs; 92% said such costs will continue to rise.

More than four in 10 executives pointed to product quality, while 29% said it would be easier to do business in the U.S. About the same number also said that closer proximity to their customers would be an advantage.

Vogon_Glory

(9,132 posts)
3. Complaints About Poor Quality Are More Widepread Than Folks Think
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:39 PM
Apr 2012

Complaints about poor quality are more widespread than many folks think. I'm a hobbyist, and one of the more common complaints I've heard about stuff made in China is that the Chinese manufacturers/sub-contractors like to cut corners and that quality control isn't that widely practised.

A piece of (bleep) is a piece of (bleep) whether it's made near Shanghai or here in Amurrica.

dmr

(28,349 posts)
5. Yes, along with the fear of substituting ingredients for something
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:56 PM
Apr 2012

cheaper.

Wasn't glycol used to sweeten toothpaste? And lead found in children's toys? Tainted pet food & baby food? I always have a fear when I pick up a product made in China. My son brought home a jar of chopped garlic in olive oil. I threw it away. I just don't trust it.

And, in my rambling thoughts .... I wonder sometimes if they do some nefarious things to our electronics. A chip to steal info, or to spread disinformation - or whatever to mess with us. I've no idea what or if they can do things, all I know is I don't trust them.

As the song said in the 60s, "... don't attack America, wear it down gradually."

Vogon_Glory

(9,132 posts)
10. Quite True, BUT
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:26 PM
Apr 2012

Quite true, Chinese workers ARE demanding more. But there also comes a point where someone is given a choice between paying for a POS made overseas at a low price and paying for something better-made(but more expensive) here in the USA, SOME people will buy the better-made but costlier item because they want satisfaction and they don't want the hassles and lost time dealing with repairs of defective merchandise.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
12. Many Chinese mfrs test customers by lowering quality after a while to see if it's noticed.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:56 PM
Apr 2012

If not, then that level of quality becomes the new norm. Then, after a while, they ratchet down another notch. This continues until the customer takes notice.

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
11. combined with Chinese wages increasing
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:42 PM
Apr 2012

Also, I'll believe it when it's fact. The survey said they were "planning to or actively considering" moving back. Those words don't mean squat to me, especially "actively considering." I know I'm probably cynical, but I want to know how many were actively planning vs actively considering.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. Their government is not democratic
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:57 PM
Apr 2012

Maybe they are finally starting to see the problems that result from that.

GeorgeGist

(25,323 posts)
13. Can you say 'low paying jobs'.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:03 PM
Apr 2012
China may no longer be the go-to place for American manufacturers looking for cheap labor and favorable policies. A new report shows many large companies are looking to move their production facilities back to the States.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
14. I hope they do it soon...before the election so Obama will get the credit. However,
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:19 PM
Apr 2012

if Romney is elected...he'll get all the credit. Ugg! Horrible thought! Then Romney will get 8 years to destroy our middle class and poor. That thought is so repugnant...I can't think about it or I'll be sick to my stomach!

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
16. reading the linked article, it says the reaosn is that costs are lower in the US when you
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:20 AM
Apr 2012

factor in shipping.
“This survey shows that companies are coming to the conclusion surprisingly fast that the U.S. is becoming more competitive when the total costs of manufacturing are accounted for.”

justgamma

(3,667 posts)
17. Our jobs came back while Bush was in office.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:23 AM
Apr 2012

Record breaking transportation costs ate up the savings from labor. That is why, I don't get upset from higher gas prices. Jobs come back to the US.

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
18. I went shopping for a frying pan today.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:40 AM
Apr 2012



Every one I looked at at was made in China. I came home empty handed.
I'm sure there are many products that slip by me but as long as I am aware
of the point of origin I will be careful about what I buy and use if it has
anything to do with food or medicine.


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