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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuestion for Vietnam Veterans and American Historians: To what extent
was the CIA's torture program of the Bush years pre-figured by the CIA's Phoenix Program in Vietnam?
The program was in operation between 1965 and 1972, and similar efforts existed both before and after that period. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had "neutralized" 81,740 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters, of whom between 26,000 and 41,000 were killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program (Emphasis Added)
Has anyone done any work on this apparent continuity or am I simply imagining the connection(s) between Vietnam\Southeast Asia and Afghanistan\Central Asia?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)off area where prisoners were kept. I would see them standing against the fence watching us. It seemed strange to me that they were kept so close to us and not in some place in Saigon. I don't know why they were held but I guess for interrogation.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)chickenhawk policy makers back in the 1965-72 time period and wondered if the seeds of the 2002-09 torture regime were first planted back then. Just a guess and a sick surmise.
Malraiders
(444 posts)waterboatrding torture was used by the US military in the Phillipines after the Spanish - American war after 1898.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Inquisition (aka 'Counter Reformation'). Not something I've spent much time on, though, so relying on general and vague memories. The U.S. definitely did a number on the Moros, that's for sure.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)From the Vietnam Conflict and it was for water boarding an enemy soldier. Sentenced to prison.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)had been a 'success,' much like Hayden yesterday was trumpeting the BushCo torture program's 'success.'
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)which was used on subjects ranging from suspected Soviet double agents to Latin American dissidents and guerrillas.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5939473
Linked article points to the School of the Americas the infamous Academy of Torture which many countries learned from us how to torture and terrorize its citizens.
Look to the late 50's and early 60's in South America, we were exporting terror back then too.
That was a time, btw, when the CIA was barely whispered about and our various Administrations denied it existed.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)http://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/4999.htm