Another one of those cracker thug police officers

[joeglow3]

"A woman caught shoplifting eggs in Tarrant Saturday didn't leave with handcuffs and a court date. Thanks to a Tarrant police officer, she left with food for her family.
Officer William Stacy was called to the Dollar General on Pinson Valley Parkway when employees caught the woman trying to steal a dozen eggs, Tarrant Police Chief Dennis Reno said.

The woman had her young children in the car. She told Officer Stacy that she was only stealing because she was trying to feed her children.

Stacy talked with Dollar General, and they said they wouldn't prosecute. So Stacy made an offer."

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/12/police_officer_buys_eggs_for_w.html

[bravenak]

1. Sorry.

Not impressed.

[steve2470]

6. +1 nt

[TlalocW]

2. He's the 1%

That 99% of all other cops give a bad name to.

TlalocW

[1StrongBlackMan]

3. Pleae do not use the term "Cracker", as ...

it will give those so inclined to avoid the subject of the post, a reason to avoid the subject of the post.

[steve2470]

8. +1 nt

[nichomachus]

4. Nice story -- stupid post title

[Cali_Democrat]

5. You see folks? Eric Garner could actually breathe after all. nt

[joeglow3]

12. Difference is I did not claim a stereotype of all police officers as good

I can find you scores who claim they are all bad on DU.

[JaneyVee]

22. No, but you used a racist term, so....

[joeglow3]

50. DU has determined it was not a racist term

[bravenak]

55. I disagree with DU often.

I never use those terms. Even in real life. It is bad form. Bigotry. My white family feels bad when they hear stuff like that. They do me the same favor of not accepting nasty terminology for black people. They get madder than I do.

[steve2470]

74. +1 nt

[justiceischeap]

7. Your sheet is hanging out. nt

[NaturalHigh]

20. That's a pretty crappy thing to say...

but then, you already know that.

[ieoeja]

33. It was also a pretty accurate thing to say...

but then, you already know that.

[NaturalHigh]

35. Actually, I don't.

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. By a vote of 5:2 the community is okay with you accusing posters of membership in the Klan. nt

[justiceischeap]

68. Or 5 members of the community saw the OP for what it is

thinly veiled racism.

[NaturalHigh]

82. Reporting that a police officer...

bought groceries to help a woman feed her kids is racism? Yeesh...

Please tell me this is one of those complicated sarcasm posts that I don't always get.

[justiceischeap]

83. It's HOW the OP reported the story

Using two racist terms in one title is a bit much. Too many people let passive aggressive racism pass without calling people out on it.

[steve2470]

9. 2 points

1- nice story
2- Take cracker and thug out of your subject line. Those two words cause needless division.

[joeglow3]

13. They don't cause needless division. That needless division exists already

because of the prejudiced people here who claim all police officers are pieces of racist shit (read just about any thread in the last month involving police to see such posts). I hate prejudices of all stripes and will highlight it when someone does it.

[steve2470]

15. I don't think they all are...

At any rate... your thread is flamebait. Good day sir.

[tkmorris]

21. Far too many are, and...

Of those who aren't, far too many cover for those who are. This is a HUGE problem, resulting in untold illegitimate arrests, injuries, and even deaths.

But somehow you think the big issue that needs to be highlighted is that some folks are mean to the police. I can't believe you sit there with your bare face hanging out and post that.

[joeglow3]

25. Show me the peer reviewed scientific analysis supporting your claim

I agree one is too many. You use phrases like "far too many" without defining what that means and what was the scientific analysis done. Do you have the same view on people who treat all Muslims like people here treat all police officers because there are far too many committing terroristic acts?

[Ink Man]

41. I get it Joe, but

your killing their chicken little moment. The sky in falling 24/7 it's their full time job. I hope the woman and her kids have a Marry Christmas. Thanks for the post.

[NaturalHigh]

48. Chicken little moment?

It's been a hell of a long moment. Other than that, I agree with everything in your reply!

[Savannahmann]

54. Well, perhaps we can help.

Here is a news story about the Justice Department review of Cleveland police.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_police_too_quick_to_use.html

NY Times covers it too, with this statement which is interesting.

The Justice Department report describes the Cleveland Police Department as something far closer to an occupying military force than a legitimate law enforcement agency. The officers, for example, seem to take a casual view of the use of deadly force, shooting at people who pose no threat of harm to the police or others. In one case in 2013, for example, they actually fired at a victim who had been held captive in a house — as he escaped, clad only in boxer shorts.
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The report cataloged numerous incidents of wanton violence, with officers beating, pepper-spraying and Tasering people who were unarmed or had already been restrained. Officers escalated encounters with citizens instead of defusing them, making force all but inevitable.

The record in Cleveland is extreme. But aspects of illegal police conduct can be found in cities all over the country, subjecting millions to intimidation and fear that they could be killed for innocent actions.

Here is a map showing cases of excessive force by Police, both local and state police are included.

http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=6469

Eh, what's a few thousand cases? Doesn't prove anything right?

Part of the reason we're in the mess we're in regarding police abuses, is the thin blue li(n)e I mentioned in other responses in this thread. We know there is a problem, we know it's widespread. We know it needs to be addressed and we know that the communities are outraged.

Yeah, the handcuffed guy was rather dangerous. Obviously the officer had no choice but to put a bullet in him.

[joeglow3]

69. I think one has to try to be this obtuse

I am NOT saying all cops are good. Just as I don't claim all teachers are crap because of how many fuck their students. It is a commentary on people using absolutes.

[Savannahmann]

10. Hey that's great.

Now, do you think the cops could buy this woman some eggs to make everything better?

Here's some of the accidents they've caused driving what many would consider recklessly.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/11/cop-cruiser-crashes-you-pay-the-cost-when-local-police-cause-accidents-109196.html

WASHINGTON (WJLA) – They’re sworn to serve and protect. But police officers are not immune to causing harm, especially behind the wheel. An ABC7 I-Team investigation discovered police officers in the D.C. area have been found at fault in hundreds of accidents, causing deaths, injuries and thousands of dollars in damages.

The ABC7 I-Team obtained databases from six jurisdictions, looking at accident reports from Montgomery and Prince George’s counties in Maryland, as well as Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun and Prince William counties in Virginia. We crunched the numbers and discovered that since 2010, there have been more than 2,300 at-fault accidents in those counties.

Among those reports, we found what the departments classified as “improper backing” as the leading cause of accidents where police officers were to blame. “Driver inattention” and “failure to maintain control” were also large contributors to departmental accidents that were later deemed preventable.

Gee, if only they could buy some eggs for those folks.

By the way, you're not the first one to come here and try and rehabilitate the image of police. You'll find it works a lot better in Freeperville and other RW nutjob sites.

[joeglow3]

14. YOU are the problem. It is NOT a dick measuring contest

There are good people and there are pieces of shit. To claim all are bad or all or good is flat out stupidity. And there has been a LOT of stupidity on DU lately.

[Savannahmann]

23. Question

The awesome cop you highlighted who was buying eggs. Has he ever written a report in which he says he saw a fellow officer threaten, intimidate, abuse, brutalize, or perhaps even use excessive force by killing him? This great officer you were highlighting, how many times has he written a report about another officer doing something wrong?

I only ask, because whenever we find one bad cop, there has been a long history of other writing reports to cover the bad one. So how "good" can the others be if they are writing reports to cover the "bad" actions of their fellow officers?

For example, here is a story about five cops, from two different departments, who were caught lying in court about it. Now, did those good cops get together and work out their story? Or did they just go with the routine lies?

Here's a news story.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-15/news/ct-police-testimony-lies-met-20140415_1_police-officers-five-officers-chicago-police

So were they the only bad cops on the department? Or did they all agree beforehand, a secret society of bad cops who just know the secret handshake?

I'm glad I'm the problem according to you. I'm glad that I'm educated about what is really going on in the streets. I'm thrilled that I am aware of the routine lies regularly told by police to justify their illegal and immoral behavior. I'm overjoyed that I am the problem because I expect them to follow the rules and get this, tell the truth.

I'm proud that I'm part of the problem according to you. Now, if I'm part of the problem because I expect the cops to obey the law, and tell the truth, what does that make you?

[joeglow3]

28. So, you think the vast vast majority of Muslims murderers

Do me a favor and take your logic and apply it to the religion of Islam.

[NaturalHigh]

36. If someone said about any other group...

what so many here say about police officers, they would rightfully be banned.

[Savannahmann]

37. Interesting. I've never even alluded to such a conclusion.

However, the routine lie used by police has been proven time and time again.

Dashcam video proved that this man was innocent.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/police-dash-cam-video-exonerates-nj-man-implicates-cops-article-1.1701763

Here's the video. Notice the routine lie. The police are hitting him while he holds his hands up and are shouting stop resisting, stop reaching for my gun. His hands are up.

So why are all the cops yelling the same thing, while the man has his hands in the air? Could it be they were trained to do so?

I mention that, since I was a rent a cop in the late 80's in California. There I took the class to get the "baton" license. During the class, the instructor who was a LAPD officer, told us that if we ever use the baton tell the witnesses that the suspect was a child molester so they would be more inclined to support the use of force.

A class full of security guards were instructed to lie to get the witnesses to support our actions.

So my knowledge of the routine lie is pretty much first hand. I'm assuming you're angry because I'm telling everyone and showing them the truth. Perhaps the guys at the department won't appreciate it.

Now, I'm going to ignore your attempts to get me to say something derogatory about the Islamic faith. For your information, one of my friends, arguably in the running for best friend, is a member of the Nation of Islam. I'm assuming you must be part of the thin blue li(n)e. Sorry pal, your nonsense ain't flying with me. But better luck next time on the Freeper sites.

[joeglow3]

52. Oh, I agree there are pieces of shit

I'll even agree that the nature of the work most likely leads to a higher percentage than the representative population as a whole. But to honestly believe 50, 60 or even 100% are pieces of shit demonstrates either willful ignorance or uncontrolled anger.

[Savannahmann]

57. Then how do you explain the amazing coincidence of so many concurrent reports

All telling the same story, which is then disproven by the videos? Are you suggesting that after the five cops conduct the illegal search they huddle up and get their stories straight? How did they know that the others there would play along? How could they know?

That's the rub when you view a conspiracy. Either everyone is in it, or nobody is. Nobody seems difficult to explain when there are so many stories out there of cops all doing the same thing. When the entire department is doing it, it's not an alleged conspiracy, it's a widespread illegal activity.

It is done every day, in small things, and in large. Sometimes the cops get exposed, all too often, they get away with it.

http://www.wsvn.com/story/23070302/ticket-talk

It's simple, the cops were writing on the backs of the part of the traffic citation they issued. They were drawing happy faces if you cooperated, sad faces if you were somewhat frustrated at being stopped, and you can guess what they drew if you were an A-Hole in their opinion. Now, this is improper communication. The Defendant is entitled to know everything that is said about them to the Judge. But this was not communicated, and the law professor they interview said that even a first year student knows that's wrong.

So an entire department was involved with improper communication giving the judge biased information. So does that meet your standards of fifty, sixty, or dare I say one hundred percent?

This was for nothing, traffic citations. The lowest form of any violation. Yet, the police took every opportunity to cheat even in the most mundane of settings, traffic court.

[LeftOfWest]

45. This thread did it for me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025927418#post3

Poor people are poor by their own fault, this one pulled himself up by his bootstraps so everyone should...

Police unions good, others no.

Abortion....ugh, the sub thread is disgusting.

[NaturalHigh]

11. That was very nice of him.

Of course it goes against the "all cops are racist pigs" meme, so it will likely get shit on.

[B2G]

18. "all cops are racist pigs" - I see that a lot here

Yet not all Muslims are to be judged by the actions of the radical fundamentalist muderers.

This place makes me dizzy most days.

[NaturalHigh]

19. Me too.

I have actually seen some nutty "there are no good cop" posts. Several, actually.

[nomorenomore08]

75. Whereas you seem to think 95% of them are wonderful folks. Who's being unrealistic, again? n/t

[NaturalHigh]

81. Yeah, that's probably about right.

[nomorenomore08]

89. Said the non-African-American guy who's probably never been racially profiled...

[NaturalHigh]

90. And who knows a lot some really good people...

who happen to be police officers.

[nomorenomore08]

91. I believe you. But you have to realize that your experience of the world isn't the only one.

And your perceptions are colored by your experiences just like the rest of us.

[NaturalHigh]

92. On that point I agree with you.

[SomethingFishy]

16. It's a sad day when acting like a normal decent human being is seen as something special.

[BklnDem75]

17. PPR

Police Public Relations

[JaneyVee]

24. Maybe the activism is starting to pay off.

[NaturalHigh]

26. Maybe some cops are good people.

I know - that concept is really shocking to a lot of people here, but I assure you it happens.

[JaneyVee]

31. Not nearly often enough.

[Jamastiene]

27. You could have posted the story without the added insults.

But, no, you did it this way. You took a nice story and shit all over it with your shitty attitude. Are you satisfied now? Some days, I miss UnRec.

[joeglow3]

30. That shit stain was left there from the attitudes of people here over the last month

Fuck, just look at the thread here. If you are just noticing the smell of the shit, you may want to get your nose checked.

[jeff47]

44. If you're upset by people believing cops are bad

then it's time to clean out the department. Not shit on everyone reacting to the bad cops.

[joeglow3]

49. Problem is they are NOT reacting to the bad cops.

They are indicting all cops. Just as people indict all muslims. Just as others indict all blacks.

Sorry, but ALL stereotypes are wrong. Not just those against members of our demographic

[bravenak]

51. Then i suppose cops need to work on the crime in the cop community.

If they profile us, eventually we will profile them.

[jeff47]

56. That's because if you don't stop the "bad" cops, you are a bad cop.

And the bad cops aren't getting stopped.

The job of the police is to stop crime. Doesn't matter if the crime is committed by a civilian or a police officer.

[joeglow3]

67. Teachers are still fucking students

Are all teachers pedophiles? Muslims are still launching suicide attacks. Are all muslims terrorists?

Seriously, I think people have to try to miss the point.

[NaturalHigh]

58. Of course everyone is going to react badly to bad cops.

The problem comes when people proclaim "there are no good cops" or some other such nonsense. Yes I have actually seen that on this board along with people calling cops "pigs" or talking some epic foolishness about "Amerikkka."

As soon as I read anything resembling that crap from a poster, I disregard anything he or she has to say from that moment on.

[jeff47]

60. If they don't stop the "bad" cops, then they are bad cops.

The job of the police is to stop crime and arrest perpetrators. It doesn't matter if those perpetrators are also cops.

Instead of stopping crime or even something as minimal as tweaking training programs, we see the police making shows of "solidarity" with the bad cops. That makes them bad cops - they aren't doing their job.

If you'd like to fix that, it's time to clean the bad cops out of the department. Not complain on a message board that people are saying unkind things.

[NaturalHigh]

62. I don't think anyone disagrees that bad cops should get the boot.

There just seems to be some disagreement on what level of scorn that police officers in general deserve.

[jeff47]

64. If that were true, the bad cops would be getting the boot

They aren't. Instead, other cops corroborate their bullshit and otherwise provide cover.

If you want to cut down on the scorn, you have to actually do something to stop the bad cops. Until then, the scorn will continue to build.

[NaturalHigh]

65. Okay then...

I tend to remember an old adage that "nobody likes cops until they need one."

[justiceischeap]

72. I've, fortunately, only needed cops once and I didn't like them then

because of how condescending they were to me when they came to take my statement about being mugged at gunpoint by two youths. I liked them even less after that... and as an aside, when I was younger, all I aspired to be was an officer of the law... until I saw how they actually operated (police explorer post participant).

[Nye Bevan]

29. I think there are about half a million cops in the US.

I wonder percentage of these killed a member of a racial minority during 2014?

[JaneyVee]

32. Its not just the killing.

[nomorenomore08]

76. Exactly. Beatings, false arrests, verbal abuse, an all-around shitty attitude.

You're very right that the problem goes deeper than these high-profile shootings.

[Feral Child]

34. Doesn't change the reality

of all the dead people of minority races.

But you want us to believe in this:





for some reason.

Just makes me wonder...OK?

[snooper2]

38. I get it now, people get off a little bit on posting "cracker" LOL...

They post the thread and pat themselves on the back...

he he he, I posted an OP with cracker in it...me so cool and funny just pushing the limits


You know who the most racist people are? OLD BLACK MEN...

Chris Rock Rocks LOL

[MohRokTah]

39. Another I have to put on ignore.

No racial expletive is ever acceptable, regardless of what race the expletive is directed towards.

[belzabubba333]

47. i never used the ignore feature before but i may now

[Blue_Adept]

42. Jury Results

On Thu Dec 11, 2014, 02:18 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Another one of those cracker thug police officers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025944748

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Cracker" is a racial expletive and all race based expletives should be banned from DU. Yes, it is nowhere near as bad as the "N" word, but no racial expletives should be used to describe any human being.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Dec 11, 2014, 02:24 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: small minds become consumed with even smaller issues
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Nice story linked - but the post title was intentionally provocative to the point of disruption. The poster has had many responses suggesting to edit the word out of the title - as it caused focus on the word rather than the news item. Poster indicated that was sort of the point.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Until we get an actual master list of what's offensive for race based expletives, this is going to keep on going. Get everyone on the same page and then alerts will matter in these cases rather than just whether an individual is offended or thinks people should be offended.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[NaturalHigh]

43. Only when you mention police officers...

will there be any controversy in a post about someone buying groceries for a woman to help feed her kids.

[NCTraveler]

53. Why is he a cracker thug?

Two racially insensitive words in one sentence. You should win something.

[Starry Messenger]

59. .

[Taitertots]

61. Who cares? Certainly not Michael Brown/Eric Garner

No amount of good deeds makes murder acceptable.

[NaturalHigh]

63. I imagine that the woman with food for her children cares.

[Taitertots]

66. One person cares. Let's give this the attention that we should give stuff that affects one person

Police Abuse effects millions. Let's treat it like we should treat problems that effect millions of people.

[joeglow3]

71. I think you truly believe this is the only case of a police officer doing good

[Taitertots]

73. I'm sure lots of police officers do nice things sometimes

It is as important and valued as any other acts of charity.

I don't believe that an officer's occasional good deed offsets systemic problems in American Law enforcement. Who cares if he did something nice, innocent people are being killed by the police practically everyday in America. I'll start caring more about this when I run out of much more important things.

[joeglow3]

78. Who cares if teachers do good things

Kids are still being raped by teachers. I'll start to care about teachers pay and security when they stop raping kids.

[Taitertots]

85. Let me know when teachers raping students becomes so bad that outrage drives nationwide protests.

When that happens I'll say "Who cares if a few teachers do good deeds, there is a systemic problem that needs attention". Do you disagree with that statement?

[joeglow3]

87. I don't judge my outrage on the masses

By that logic, the Iraq war was cool when launched. Would you agree with that?

[Taitertots]

88. "By that logic" No. There is no logical connection between our statements.

AND the Iraq war was not "cool when launched". It was protested before it even started.

[treestar]

70. No one said they are all bad, all the time

I wonder if it's a small town.

[joeglow3]

79. You need to reread a number of threads from the past few weeks

[mentalsolstice]

77. I live a stone's throw from Tarrant

I live in Birmingham, and Tarrant is an adjacent municipality. I worked night courts in many of the municipalities surrounding B'ham, I was there for Domestic violence cases. Tarrant was my favorite, the judge and clerks and LEO were so nice, and easy to work with. Tarrant is mostly populated with lower income working class people. Stories like this have played out in Tarrant for many years, it's just getting play because of the current climate nationallyl

In other municipalities I ran across good cops and bad ones, and on the subject of DV it was pretty 50-50 when it came to the race of the responding officer. Some of the wealthier suburbs were disgusting, but even then it was about DWB, and not violent crimes (but disgusting to watch).

B'ham and some of the surrounding municipalities have a large presence of AA police officers, including the upper bureaucracy. So hopefully we won't see a Ferguson or Eric Garner case...we learned our lessons and have moved on.

And in this case, I hate to see "Cracker" in the subject line. Down here, we're way past that!

[joeglow3]

80. I am glad. I always liked Birmingham

Worked on Healthsouth for about four months when they were doing their restatement. Stopped by there last summer on our way to Orange Beach. Had some Dreamland, which I miss greatly.

[WinkyDink]

84. What's your point? The "Not every (N) does (X)" is not an argument in defense of the (N) who DO (X).

"Not every wife-beater becomes her killer."

"Not every (member of any particular religion) murders (non-members of that particular religion)."

"Not every step-mother is wicked."

WE GET IT. And the proper response is "SO?"

[Logical]

86. Oh FFS, you have to be kidding me. nt

[benz380]

93. This will end up just like the 'pussy' thread. Bad wording. Your message will be lost. n/t