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natrlron

(177 posts)
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:48 PM Dec 2014

We need to argue climate change differently ... the impact on children and grandchildren

If you have a 3-year old child or grandchild, he or she will most likely live until 2090. His or her children … your grandchildren or great-grandchildren … will most likely live until 2115. What kind of environment do you want to leave them … one that creates hardship and even threatens life or one that nurtures it? That is the question that every corporation head, every member of Congress, and each and every citizen should ask themselves when considering the issue of climate change.

Al Gore was absolutely right when he labeled climate change, “An Inconvenient Truth.” Corporations find it inconvenient because they don’t want to spend more money to clean up their emissions or change how things are produced. The public finds it inconvenient because it doesn’t want to change it’s habits … the car culture, wanting consumer goods to be cheap, not wanting to bother with conservation. And it’s inconvenient for the government because it means having to take leadership and, at least in the short run, displeasing important constituencies.

But guess what? Inconvenient or not, the evidence becomes clearer every year that we are headed down a path that will lead to major disruptions and hardship for much of the Earth’s inhabitants. And the disruptions and hardships are arriving more quickly than scientists had anticipated.

In the old days, miners used to take canaries down with them into the mines to warn them of impending disaster. If gas was building up, the canaries would get sick before the miners had any awareness of a problem. And the miners would get out as quickly as possible.

We have already had plenty of climate change “canaries in the mine,” but only scientists seem to be concerned. Whether you look at the disappearance of arctic ice in summer, the weakening of the ice shelf in Greenland and parts of Antartica, the increase in violent weather and drought, the report that most polar bear cubs are not living to maturity, the march of pests from southern to northern areas with accompanying destruction of forests, deadly tick infestations of moose, the movement of fish and lobsters from their ancestral habitats further north as the Atlantic Ocean waters off much of New England become too warm … all of these things are warnings of much worse things to come.

And each year, the scientific reports contain a familiar refrain … that the changes are happening more quickly than had been anticipated. Now there is consensus that even with the world-wide agreement to cut carbon emissions currently in process, significant impact cannot be avoided, with such impact appearing by 2050. Scientists are no longer even sure that the previous standard limit of a “safe” rise in temperature (2º C/3.6º F) is correct; it may be lower. But even that limit can no longer be avoided. Only catastrophic impact can possibly be avoided, and even that is less likely as each year without action passes..

We … governments, corporations, and the public … are playing a losing game of Russian roulette with the lives of our children and grandchildren. If we want our immediate descendants to be able to continue living on Earth in a safe, secure environment, then more drastic broad-based action needs to be taken now. Everyone gives lip service to “our children are the future,” yet everyone acts like there’s no tomorrow. Everyone’s planning is short-term.

I don’t know what the exact answer is. But I do know that denial has to stop. And significant action has to be taken by government, corporations, and individuals for the sake of our children.

For more on this and other topical issues, go to my blog, http://PreservingAmericanGreatness.blogspot.com

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We need to argue climate change differently ... the impact on children and grandchildren (Original Post) natrlron Dec 2014 OP
personally I think it is already too late airplaneman Dec 2014 #1
Are you sure? natrlron Jan 2015 #2
I don't believe I know for sure but see this as a real possibility. airplaneman Jan 2015 #3

airplaneman

(1,240 posts)
1. personally I think it is already too late
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:48 AM
Dec 2014

We are facing extinction within one human lifetime. Methane release, sea rise, global temperatures are all going exponential or are just about to go exponential. One group I think is on track of this problem is AMEG http://ameg.me/ We have known for 25 years about this problem and have not made any significant move. In 2014 the USA, CHINA, and INDIA broke all records dumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. 2015 will probably be another record breaker for the same three countries. Its actually the methane release and the heat trapped in the oceans that is going to kill us first. Carbon dioxide just cements the deal. There are some serious tipping points that we have already passed. Overshoot in human population. Aquifers running dry on a global basis. Clean water disappearing. First we will see crops fail on a global basis. Then conflict, starvation, civil unrest, and eventually the collapse of civilization as we know it.
Have a nice day.
-Airplane

natrlron

(177 posts)
2. Are you sure?
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jan 2015

Without being a scientist, i find it hard to understand the substantial timing divergence between the UN Panel's findings and those you report. I just went to the AMEG website and while they do sound somewhat more alarmist than the UN panel, not by much. And I saw no timeline such as you mentioned. What they are advocating ... measure to cool the arctic ... seems farfetched and would take years to develop the technology to implement, so it would appear that their timeline is more similar to the UN panels. If indeed we were "facing extinction within one human lifetime," as you say, there measures would be useless as well.

airplaneman

(1,240 posts)
3. I don't believe I know for sure but see this as a real possibility.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jan 2015

-IPCC does not include a methane burst as part of the possible upcoming problem and they seriously underestimate what is going on at the poles and in Greenland.

This video is well worth watching if you have not already:



Other places I visit that have some good data are:

http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/p/global-extinction-within-one-human.html

http://climatechangepsychology.blogspot.com/2014/12/peter-gleick-answer-on-human-caused.html

I come to this conclusion based on how close we are to the North Pole melting completely.
The NP is not just 30% less in surface area but 60% gone in thickness which equates to 70% gone in volume. It is dangerously close to collapsing entirely.
93% of the global warming has gone into the sea which is melting both poles at an accelerated rate. Ocean heat appears to be about to reverse its heat direction causing untold problems. The amount of methane that is being released is starting to look alarming and could be a real methane burst unfolding and unstoppable if we pass a certain tipping point.

I don't believe anyone can know the future for sure. Although not employed as a scientist I do have a strong scientific background.

Hope this help you understand what concerns me and thanks for asking.

-Airplane

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