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Eugene

(61,953 posts)
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:52 AM Apr 2012

Arizona House votes to demand return of federally owned lands

Source: Reuters

Arizona House votes to demand return of federally owned lands

By David Schwartz

PHOENIX | Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:10pm EDT

(Reuters) - Arizona lawmakers on Monday passed legislation demanding the U.S. government relinquish to the state millions of acres of federal territory, in the latest rekindling of a "sagebrush rebellion" over control of public lands in the West.

Without debate, the Republican-dominated Arizona House of Representatives easily passed a measure seeking the return of roughly 48,000 square miles of government-owned acreage in the Grand Canyon state by 2015.

The bill, approved on a 35-15 vote, now goes to the state Senate for final passage. Republican Governor Jan Brewer would then have five days once the bill reaches her desk to sign or veto it. Otherwise, the measure becomes law automatically.

Arizona would be the second state in the nation to enact such legislation. Last month, Utah Governor Gary Herbert signed a bill seeking to reclaim some 30 million acres of federally owned land in his state, shrugging off warnings from state attorneys that the measure was likely unconstitutional and would lead to a protracted yet futile legal battle.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/24/us-usa-arizona-lands-idUSBRE83N00R20120424
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Arizona House votes to demand return of federally owned lands (Original Post) Eugene Apr 2012 OP
Or what? Will they next vote to pull out of the USA or go to war? sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #1
These people are out of their minds. YellowRubberDuckie Apr 2012 #2
I keep saying... ret5hd Apr 2012 #7
AZ needs an enema, because the shit they keep spewing ain't healthy.... truebrit71 Apr 2012 #12
yeah.. good luck with that. . .n/t annabanana Apr 2012 #3
The fucking money changers again. Our hands to theirs. lonestarnot Apr 2012 #4
"protracted yet futile legal battle" lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #5
IMHO, this has less to do with a "sagebush rebellion" KansDem Apr 2012 #6
Return it cin63 Apr 2012 #8
Well if they want it back MattBaggins Apr 2012 #9
What "loans" are you talking about? former9thward Apr 2012 #11
"Return" ? AZ was created out of Federal land ... eppur_se_muova Apr 2012 #10
The conservative state legislators in AZ could not run a lemonade stand efficiently. Zorra Apr 2012 #13
I'll bet this is another ALEC law. EC Apr 2012 #14
Send them a bill for Federal water, electricity, and highway projects... JHB Apr 2012 #15

YellowRubberDuckie

(19,736 posts)
2. These people are out of their minds.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:19 AM
Apr 2012

The Federal Government isn't going to return that land, they needs to stop being delusional. Their state helped cause the national economic crisis and this is the crap they're wasting their time on? Who do they think they are? Oklahoma?

ret5hd

(20,523 posts)
7. I keep saying...
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:32 AM
Apr 2012

these things are just preliminary "blusterings", much the same as the preliminary "blusterings" 10 or so yrs ago about charter schools.

The goal is the complete privatization of any commons.

Those beaches all along our coasts? A rich guy wants those...and is working to get them.
Those national parks? A rich guy wants those...and is working to get them.
Those federal lands? A rich guy wants those...and is working to get them.
Those parks you like to sometimes visit in the nice part of town? That rich neighborhood it is in wants that for themselves...and is working to get it.

That ass Trump had a show made called something like "The Value of America". I couldn't watch it...the entire concept makes me ill. They want everything. They are the Borg. You and your (me and my) concepts of "commons" and "community" and "public" are foreign to their very souls. They are evil.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
5. "protracted yet futile legal battle"
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:32 AM
Apr 2012

That's what Republicans do. This kind of dumbshittery allows them to do nothing of any actual value.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
6. IMHO, this has less to do with a "sagebush rebellion"
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:32 AM
Apr 2012

...and more to do with privatizing water.

Within the past decade, technological advances in horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” have enabled the oil and gas industry to extract large quantities of oil and natural gas from shale formations in the United States. However, the practice has proven controversial. Pollution from modern drilling and fracking has caused widespread environmental and public health problems and created serious, long-term risks to underground water resources.

http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/reports/fracking-the-new-global-water-crisis/

--and--

There are reasons for worry about Arizona's supply of natural gas. But, for most everybody else, the picture is pretty rosy.

Accessible supplies are growing fast, thanks mostly to new technologies for getting at the relatively clean-burning fuel. As a result, the price of natural gas is sinking. Moody's Investor Services reports natural-gas prices languishing at a 10-year low.

In just a few years, expectations for the U.S. natural-gas market have gone a complete 180 degrees -- from predictions that we will be a net importer of compressed natural gas for decades to come to being a net exporter. The Marcellus shale deposits in Pennsylvania and New York alone may produce trillions of cubic feet of natural gas, according to estimates.

Much of the change has to do with the evolution of a process known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking." The fracking process sends drills deep into the earth, horizontally as well as vertically, and splits previously impermeable shale with tiny fissures that release its deposits of natural gas.


http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DougMacE/159218

--also--

Private Water Companies Lobby For More Fracking
April 23, 2012

By Sarah Pavlus

The country’s two largest private water utility companies are participants in a massive lobbying effort to expand controversial shale gas drilling — a heavy industrial activity that promises to enrich the water companies but may also put drinking water resources at risk.

The situation — which some watchdogs describe as a troubling conflict of interest — underscores the complex issues raised by the nationwide push to privatize infrastructure and services like water, prisons, and roads.

Shale gas drillers use a combination of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” to extract gas from the Marcellus formation in Pennsylvania. The controversial technique forces millions of gallons of water — mixed with sand and chemicals — into the ground to crack the shale rock and release gas. In addition to the potential risks posed by actual fracturing, the process produces large amounts of toxic wastewater that can be difficult to dispose of safely.


http://www.oilandgasonline.com/doc.mvc/private-water-companies-lobby-for-more-fracking-0001

Fracking uses large amounts of water. Hard to grab water rights when the Feds own the land. But if you can get your puppets at the state level to "seize" federally-own lands (i.e., "Sagebush Rebellion&quot , and the water rights that come with them, you got it made!

cin63

(37 posts)
8. Return it
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:39 AM
Apr 2012

Return it to its rightful owners? Hey Indians and Mexicans Arizona wants to return all your land back to you!!!!

MattBaggins

(7,905 posts)
9. Well if they want it back
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:59 AM
Apr 2012

how much is the interest on the loans they took before they became a state? I want my great grandpa's money back.

eppur_se_muova

(36,295 posts)
10. "Return" ? AZ was created out of Federal land ...
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:32 AM
Apr 2012

as were most of the states other than the original colonies. If the Federal government wanted to draw borders defining the state that left non-contiguous areas of Federal land within the state, it has all the authority it needs to do so. This land cannot be "returned" to the state if it was never part of the state from the day the state was created.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
13. The conservative state legislators in AZ could not run a lemonade stand efficiently.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 12:11 PM
Apr 2012

IMO, as an AZ resident, we may have the most incompetent and ignorant state legislature out of all 50 states.

If they got a hold of this land, they would sell it to the highest corporate bidder before you could say "sold".

They would then waste the money on paying themselves to pass the most idiotic legislation imaginable.

In the meantime, we, the people, would no longer have access to these beautiful wild lands, and the 1% would immediately proceed to desecrate the land in the name of profit.

http://www.newser.com/story/87346/states-are-going-crazy-as-well-as-broke.html

States Are Going Crazy, as Well as Broke
Arizona and Oklahoma are leaders in both insanity and insolvency

By Caroline Miller, Newser Staff
Posted Apr 29, 2010 10:32 AM CDT

(Newser) – The Tea Partiers may be up in arms over the federal government meddling in their lives and not being able to balance its books, but Gail Collins points out that it's the states that are going into overdrive passing wacky laws (hello, Arizona, Oklahoma!) and whiffing on budget cuts (hello, New York!). "On the surface, it might seem as if we have a pattern here: red states pass crazy laws, while blue states can’t handle money," she writes in the New York Times. "But financial failure is color blind. A few months ago, Oklahoma won the Largest Revenue Shortfall in the Nation title, edging out—yes!—Arizona."

Arizona's so broke it's taken to selling off public buildings—including the capitol building—and leasing them back, she notes, adding that maybe it's the financial pressure driving them to pass an immigration law so draconian not even Jeb Bush likes it, and "a gun control law so unconstitutional it makes the National Rifle Association nervous".


Arizona is a beautiful and diverse land, and these federal lands are used for recreation by people from all over world. It would be a huge state, national, and planetary tragedy to let these conservative fools in the AZ legislature have power over the federal lands.

Imagine what the 1% would do to the Grand Canyon. One huge open pit mine.

EC

(12,287 posts)
14. I'll bet this is another ALEC law.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 12:28 PM
Apr 2012

I remember reading that upon the opening of one of their meetings there was a map projected of all "non-productive" land in the U.S. They meant non-productive in as "not privately held for development" and were lecturing on how their agenda was to make those lands available. They've been itching at getting into fed. lands to develop for decades. This was the reason those lands were made into national parks and federally held land in the first place.

JHB

(37,162 posts)
15. Send them a bill for Federal water, electricity, and highway projects...
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 12:54 PM
Apr 2012

...that have allowed AZ to be hospitable to more than the relatively small portion of people who like the 24/7 desert lifestyle.

Let them think of what their state taxes would be if they'd had to sell bonds to pay for all of the projects they are benefiting from.

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