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kpete

(72,016 posts)
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 10:51 AM Jan 2015

I'm Not A Muslim, But I'm Sick Of Question-Where Are The Moderate Muslim Voices Condemning Violence?

Every time an extremist who is Muslim commits an act of terrorism, people ask where the moderate Muslim voices condemning violence are. (Interestingly, as a Jew, I don’t usually get asked to condemn extremism when it is perpetuated by Jewish fundamentalists like Baruch Goldstein, who shot 29 praying Muslims do death, and injured 125, at the Cave of the Patriarchs, or Yigal Amir, who killed Israeli Prime MinisterYitzhak Rabin.) And the same thing is happening following this week’s deplorable, pathetic, and tragic killing of 12 people at the offices of the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo.

Not surprisingly, much of the “where is the Muslim outrage” outrage is coming from… Fox News, as Media Matters notes. Fox’s own Monica Crowley, for example, said that Muslims “should be condemning” the attack and that she hadn’t “heard any condemnation… from any groups.” Fox News’ America’s Newsroom guest Steve Emerson complained, “you don’t see denunciations of radical Islam, by name, by mainstream Islamic groups.” Bob Beckel, a host of Fox News’ The Five host said Muslims were “being quiet” about the shooting and accused the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) of keeping “their mouth shut when things happen.”

MORE, plus 46 examples for those who still insist on lumping them all togetherl:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/46-examples-of-muslim-outrage-about-paris-shooting-that-fox-news-cant-seem-to-find/


For Muslims to apologize is for them to admit that they – we – harboured these men, we invited them to our mosques and listened to their bile and hatred, and perhaps even their planning. How many of us were and are complicit in this? I'm not, and the majority of Britain's 2.8 million Muslims aren't either. After 9/11, I spoke to the brother of a Muslim victim. Who should apologise to him? The policeman shot dead in the line of duty was a Muslim. Who should apologise for Ahmed Merabet's death? Me?

How far do ripples of responsibility extend? Should an imam in Southall apologise for the actions of these men in Paris? France has a significant Muslim minority with its own tensions – the ban on the veil and high levels of disenchantment among this largely banlieue-dwelling minority. It is all rather more complex than can be smoothed over with an apology.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/paris-attacks-no-mr-murdoch-i-am-not-responsible-9970235.html


As noted, Christians are exempt from calls for these ritual apologies expected from the Muslim community. No quantity or quality of them would be accepted or even acknowledged by the Murdochs of the world anyway. Because what they really want from the world's uppity, second-largest religion is the kind of supplication Muslims perform in the Salat each day, only in acknowledgment that Christianity is Number One. Because this is not about terrorists or any brand of religious extremism. As with minorities of every other type, Muslims are expected to know their place.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/01/apologies-excepted-by-bloggersrus.html
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I'm Not A Muslim, But I'm Sick Of Question-Where Are The Moderate Muslim Voices Condemning Violence? (Original Post) kpete Jan 2015 OP
In that case, should every be EXEMPT, or should everyone be AFFILIATED? brooklynite Jan 2015 #1
This same thing happened after 9/11, when many of the Muslims were ignored by the corporate media... cascadiance Jan 2015 #2
beautiful pictures kpete Jan 2015 #3
Not in our Name ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #4
and to top it all off, every time they respond to the Fox noise and condemn it MisterP Jan 2015 #5

brooklynite

(94,728 posts)
1. In that case, should every be EXEMPT, or should everyone be AFFILIATED?
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:00 PM
Jan 2015

I adopt no religion, so I accept no dogma that is some form promotes murder or oppression.

I don't say that any religious adherent is responsible for the extremists who share their religion, but I think religious adherents of all faiths should reflect on why they adopt a religion that has elements of "God's inspired word" that endorses things they find repugnant.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
2. This same thing happened after 9/11, when many of the Muslims were ignored by the corporate media...
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jan 2015

... who were standing against that violence then too.

How many people have forgotten or ever even KNEW that Iranians expressed their support for us then? Something our corporate media should be blamed for along with the terrorists that they gave far more attention to!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=44b_1359356589&comments=1

Pictures from Iran after 9/11:











ismnotwasm

(42,011 posts)
4. Not in our Name
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jan 2015

Not in our name – Muslims respond in revulsion to Charlie Hebdo massacre



The Muslim Council of France, and of Britain, have denounced today’s attack on the offices of Charlie Hebdo. The imam of the mosque of Paris, Dalil Boubakeur, has said:

“This is a thunderous declaration of war. The times have changed. We’re entering a new phase of this confrontation… we are horrified by the brutality and the savagery”

But Muslims don’t need imams - or ‘community leaders’ – to speak for them – they can do it for themselves. Here are some

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/01/not-in-our-name-muslims-respond-in-revulsion-to-charlie-hebdo-shooting/

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
5. and to top it all off, every time they respond to the Fox noise and condemn it
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jan 2015

they actually dig themselves further into the "any 'moderate' is collectively responsible for any violent incident and has a responsibility to denounce it," so *even when they defend themselves they lose*

it's a Kafkaesque trap

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