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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 07:36 AM Jan 2015

NYPD's Work Stoppage Backfire: Arrest Rates Plummet At No Cost to Public Safety

http://www.alternet.org/activism/nypds-work-stoppage-backfire-arrest-rates-plummet-no-cost-public-safety



Members of the New York Police Department are currently engaged in a nonviolent campaign against New York City officials. Almost immediately following the killing of NYPD officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu on December 20, department members began to publicly dissent against both Mayor Bill de Blasio and Police Commissioner William Bratton.

On December 27, hundreds of police officers turned their backs to de Blasio at the funeral services for Ramos, as he addressed the crowd that had gathered outside the chapel. The mayor then faced a similar response at the Madison Square Garden graduation of 884 new officers last Monday. On Friday, Bratton issued a firmly-worded memo ahead of Liu’s Sunday funeral, saying that the service should be about “grieving not grievance.” This call for decorum went unheeded, as hundreds of officers, yet again, turned their backs to de Blasio, during the eulogy he delivered for Liu.

In a statement that might seem ironic to protesters who’ve encountered the NYPD at marches and demonstrations, Ed Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, stated, in response to Bratton’s memo, that, “I remind my members of their first amendment right to expression … It’s your choice.” Police unions have been some of de Blasio’s harshest critics, with Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association president Patrick Lynch taking to the airwaves immediately after the deaths of Ramos and Liu to chastise the mayor for having “blood on his hands.”

The NYPD’s most notable action, however, has been the “work stoppage” reported in the New York Post last week. Arrests for minor offenses dropped by 94 percent in late December compared with the same period in 2013, while arrests overall are down 66 percent. The Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association has strongly suggested officers not make arrests unless “absolutely necessary,” which —it’s worth noting — should probably be standard operating procedure rather than a protest tactic.
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NYPD's Work Stoppage Backfire: Arrest Rates Plummet At No Cost to Public Safety (Original Post) xchrom Jan 2015 OP
Heh heh. Let the arrest quota queens learn the hard way. . . DinahMoeHum Jan 2015 #1
Are you aware that Mayor De Blasio has already said "broken windows" is staying as a policy? brooklynite Jan 2015 #3
Yes, but he can always change that, as it was not his idea. . . DinahMoeHum Jan 2015 #5
Actually it was the idea of Commissioner Bratton under.... brooklynite Jan 2015 #8
The "broken windows" policing policies branford Jan 2015 #19
I think this is good for the rank and file officers. They don't like the broken windows policies Vattel Jan 2015 #2
Plus, it led to a lot of corruption. Trying to meet quotas pressured many of them to falsify the sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #21
That is all true. But doesn't Bratton really like the broken windows approach? Vattel Jan 2015 #22
not really Man from Pickens Jan 2015 #27
I thought quotas were eliminate along time ago, for good reason. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #4
Seriously, on many levels fredamae Jan 2015 #6
It appears to have improved public safety for a minority of the population. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #7
I could have told you that. Cops create lots of the crime we have. bemildred Jan 2015 #9
+1 xchrom Jan 2015 #10
+1 Yep, see it all the time. nt raouldukelives Jan 2015 #15
The golden sentence: marble falls Jan 2015 #11
Wait until deBlasio says "Crime is down, we cut your budget." DetlefK Jan 2015 #12
What about the no-work no pay rule? Time for lay offs, clearly some of them aren't needed. freshwest Jan 2015 #23
Funny how that works JackInGreen Jan 2015 #13
Time to lay off a few cops. Vinca Jan 2015 #14
This reminds me of when the yellow cabs went on strike and... Javaman Jan 2015 #16
they have been avoiding taking reports on violent crime for years to massage the quality of life bettyellen Jan 2015 #17
They don't care about the crime, the NYPD knows the money will be missing and they'll be back uponit7771 Jan 2015 #18
I'm pro union until they do the inevitable...and overreach, just like the non union capitalists. libdem4life Jan 2015 #20
I guess we don't need as many cops in NYC as we have adigal Jan 2015 #24
Thanks for keeping this in the news cycle. Trillo Jan 2015 #25
Fascinating how new years went off without a hitch. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #26

DinahMoeHum

(21,794 posts)
1. Heh heh. Let the arrest quota queens learn the hard way. . .
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 07:50 AM
Jan 2015

. . .that the "Broken Windows" policy is a failure, a waste of time and paperwork, a drain on their resources and that their services are better put elsewhere - or not needed, period.

DinahMoeHum

(21,794 posts)
5. Yes, but he can always change that, as it was not his idea. . .
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:01 AM
Jan 2015

. . .but his predecessor's.

Let's keep watching for what happens.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
19. The "broken windows" policing policies
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:28 PM
Jan 2015

were started when Bratton was appointed NYPD Police Commissioner under Rudy Giuliani in 1994.

Bratton was only Chief of the NY Transit Police for a short time under Dinkins, and Bratton was the head of the Boston PD for much of Dinkins' term. In fact, Dinkins' first police commissioner, Lee Brown, was widely blamed for many of the problems of the administration, including Crown Heights, which helped lead to Brown's subordinate, Ray Kelly, to ultimately become police commissioner.

Trying to rehabilitate Dinkins' reputation by associating him with Bratton's NYPD leadership is disingenuous. I would even suggest that Mayor deBlasio is looking back at the Dinkins' administration as an abject lesson in how not to deal with the NYPD, and the reason why deBlasio has studiously avoided criticizing the NYPD since becoming mayor, despite the police unions very public and disparaging remarks about him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bratton#New_York_City

http://www.houstonpress.com/1997-07-17/news/lee-brown-s-crown-heights-problem/

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
2. I think this is good for the rank and file officers. They don't like the broken windows policies
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 07:53 AM
Jan 2015

that put pressure on them to inflate arrest numbers and ticket everything and harass people on the street.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
21. Plus, it led to a lot of corruption. Trying to meet quotas pressured many of them to falsify the
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 03:10 PM
Jan 2015

crime numbers. The cop who exposed the corruption was sent to a psychiatric ward for six days.

But he had the evidence. Tapes, and it all made it into the papers.

That Dept is corrupt and needs a complete revamping.

De Blasion ran on reforming the Department and won with an overwhelming majority.

So let them show the people of NYC how money of their tax dollars have been going to pay for an over-sized police force who have been doing nothing but harassing people.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
27. not really
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jan 2015

the lack of public safety decline in the wake of a 90%+ drop in "enforcement" basically means the vast majority of them are completely useless at best, and a menace to society at worst.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
6. Seriously, on many levels
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:05 AM
Jan 2015

This is Such a Great thing for "main street/mom & pop shops"....Folks are more relaxed, People aren't paying ridiculous fines for say.....wearing "mis-matched socks" etc? They'll spend it on goods and services which is a great Boost to the economy!

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. I could have told you that. Cops create lots of the crime we have.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:22 AM
Jan 2015

No cops, no crime, and nobody much cares.

There is lots of real crime out there, violence and property crime, but you can get hurt going after those criminals, and you can get in trouble going after white collar crime, which is everywhere, so coward cops stick to the poor and weak and mentally ill, who are not as much of a threat.

marble falls

(57,106 posts)
11. The golden sentence:
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jan 2015

"The Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association has strongly suggested officers not make arrests unless “absolutely necessary,” which —it’s worth noting — should probably be standard operating procedure rather than a protest tactic."

Lets fire up the layoff printer.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
12. Wait until deBlasio says "Crime is down, we cut your budget."
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:08 AM
Jan 2015

THAT's when the howling will begin.

"How dare you fire cops! This is political retaliation! This is totally not like firing teachers! If you fire us, the city will go belly-up!"

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
13. Funny how that works
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jan 2015

you take the authoritarian revenuers off the street and the only thing you see is fewer people being fined and jailed, safety and order remains by and large the same.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
17. they have been avoiding taking reports on violent crime for years to massage the quality of life
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jan 2015

index. They should be tasked with real police work, but no one is going to like what will happen to the stats then. It will create the appearance of artificial increase in violent crime.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
18. They don't care about the crime, the NYPD knows the money will be missing and they'll be back
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jan 2015

... to arresting people for inhaling while black in full force.

I pray the mayor of NY and other cities stand up to this back door taxation

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
20. I'm pro union until they do the inevitable...and overreach, just like the non union capitalists.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jan 2015

Nothing new under the sun.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
24. I guess we don't need as many cops in NYC as we have
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 06:29 PM
Jan 2015

Time for cuts in hiring, encourage retirements.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
25. Thanks for keeping this in the news cycle.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jan 2015

It seems the Paris killings knocked our domestic police and related problems out of the news cycle.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
26. Fascinating how new years went off without a hitch.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jan 2015

It's fascinating to see we don't need thousands of citations from the men in blue when people go about their business.

The police have overplayed their hand.

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