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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:07 AM Jan 2015

White House rejects petitions to fire prosecutors who drove FOI activist Aaron Swartz to suicide.



White House rejects petitions to fire prosecutors who drove Internet activist Aaron Swartz to suicide

By Nick Barrickman
World Socialist Web Site, 12 January 2015

The Obama administration formally rejected on Wednesday a pair of petitions to fire the prosecutors whose vindictive pursuit of Internet pioneer and activist Aaron Swartz drove him to suicide in 2013.

The petitions had called for the firings of US Attorney for Massachusetts Carmen Ortiz and Assistant US Attorney Stephen Heymann, who had overseen the malicious prosecution against the open Internet activist, charging him in 2011 with numerous felony counts under the 1986 Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) for downloading copies of academic journal articles through the digital library JSTOR.

Swartz, who had warned that “The world’s entire scientific ... heritage ... is increasingly being digitized and locked up by a handful of private corporations,” had sought to make the journal articles publicly available.

At the time, Ortiz had sought to equate Swartz with a common thief, declaring that “stealing is stealing whether you use a computer command or a crowbar,” insinuating that the well-known advocate for Internet freedom was attempting to personally profit from the web site’s scholarly material.

SNIP...

In 2013, US Attorney General Eric Holder called the prosecution of Swartz “a good use of prosecutorial discretion.”
The tragic death of Swartz, an esteemed activist and web technology innovator, prompted a wave of popular outrage against the US government and the draconian measures it went to in order to make an example of him. The petitions, which had long ago received the required 25,000 signatures meriting a response from the White House, had called for both Ortiz’s and Heymann’s removal for their roles in instigating Swartz’s suicide.

CONTINUED...

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/01/12/swar-j12.html

Swartz' supposed crime was downloading free articles. From what I can tell, his real crime was in pointing out that hiding information from the people who own it is un-Democratic and un-American.
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White House rejects petitions to fire prosecutors who drove FOI activist Aaron Swartz to suicide. (Original Post) Octafish Jan 2015 OP
wsws. LOL...nt SidDithers Jan 2015 #1
What do you know about WSWS? Octafish Jan 2015 #2
It's not really an issue. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #8
Funny how that works. zeemike Jan 2015 #11
How compassionate. Octafish Jan 2015 #12
+1 Enthusiast Jan 2015 #13
He broke the law. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #15
He wasn't convicted of anything. Octafish Jan 2015 #18
He was never convicted because he killed himself before going to trial... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #20
''Tinfoil doesn't suit my complexion.'' Octafish Jan 2015 #25
That he values his own 'skin'.... daleanime Jan 2015 #29
Thanks. I've gotten sensitive to asparagus. Octafish Jan 2015 #36
Well, since I have to spell it out... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #73
Thanks! Now I understand: For posting, I'm a revolting douche and an asshole, Dr. Hobbitstein. Octafish Jan 2015 #74
You Better Believe It! n/t Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #78
Quick Question: Is calling me "Better Believe It!" code for ''asshole,'' Dr Hobbitstein? Octafish Jan 2015 #79
Nope. Nothing to do with assholes... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #82
DUers zappaman and SidDithers use it sometimes when replying to my posts. Octafish Jan 2015 #84
BBI spread woo and conspiracy theories. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #85
Bullshit. You've posted nothing but your opinion. That's woo. Octafish Jan 2015 #86
Oh dears Octa! Someone got a sad where you linked the Dude to the swarm! Rex Jan 2015 #103
results Go Vols Jan 2015 #89
I agree with the jury... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #90
Agree! zappaman Jan 2015 #93
Merely petulant. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #106
Did you like BetterBelieveIt? Was he a "great DUer" like Fire Walk With Me? zappaman Jan 2015 #91
Different from SDuderstadt. Octafish Jan 2015 #94
I don't call anti-Semites "great DUers" zappaman Jan 2015 #95
Neither did I. Octafish Jan 2015 #96
Now you deny your own words, Brad? zappaman Jan 2015 #97
More smears from zappaman. Octafish Jan 2015 #98
I don't source homophobes or anti-Semites either. zappaman Jan 2015 #99
Thanks for keeping things simple whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #45
Some don't like it when people try to speak truth to power which is always illegal. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #60
Unlike most assholes on the Internet and in Life, Swartz mattered. Octafish Jan 2015 #3
More. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #4
Thank you, proverbialwisdom. Another one... Octafish Jan 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #70
Thanks, Octafish. This is worthwhile reading, too. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #71
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #6
USA PATRIOT Act meets Computer Fraud and Abuse Act Octafish Jan 2015 #24
Truly disappointing. Nt abelenkpe Jan 2015 #7
All the way around. Octafish Jan 2015 #26
Why the hell would MIT advocate for him? AS had no affiliation with MIT...he broke into msanthrope Jan 2015 #48
You really should be a prosecutor. Octafish Jan 2015 #50
He had a great lawyer...he was offered a 6 month plea deal. And this case has nothing msanthrope Jan 2015 #54
It's got everything to do with what the First Amendment stands for: Democracy. Octafish Jan 2015 #62
Breaking into MIT has nothing to do with the First Amendment. Distributing msanthrope Jan 2015 #65
How is releasing scientific information a ''cowardly act''? Octafish Jan 2015 #80
When you earn a copyright, come back and talk to me. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #81
Thanks! Octafish Jan 2015 #88
Not surprised. blackspade Jan 2015 #9
Stephen Heymann, Aaron Swartz Prosecutor, Compared Internet Activist To Rapist: MIT Report Octafish Jan 2015 #34
Heymann is a scumbag. blackspade Jan 2015 #64
Sad K&R. Overseas Jan 2015 #10
Internet Activist’s Prosecutor Linked To Another Hacker’s Death. Octafish Jan 2015 #37
Definitely cruel overreach. I hadn't heard about the earlier case. Nor the award. Very sad. Overseas Jan 2015 #69
I don't know what James' case has to do with "First Amendment activism" Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #83
Kicked Enthusiast Jan 2015 #14
Those who knew him personally said he was suicidal to begin. He broke the law knowingly KittyWampus Jan 2015 #16
+1 Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #22
I don't think it should just take a petition to get someone fired. tammywammy Jan 2015 #27
Because it was an abusive prosecution. Hissyspit Jan 2015 #35
No....it really wasn't. And the 6 month plea deal he was offered was msanthrope Jan 2015 #44
Especially considering how he didn't have the multi-million dollars the defense required. Octafish Jan 2015 #52
Imagine that....without much money, he was offered a great plea deal. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #55
What a country! Octafish Jan 2015 #57
I would have taken it and been out by now. bravenak Jan 2015 #53
He wanted to run for elected office & that would've disqualified him (SEE: 'The Internet's Own Boy') proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #66
When the 1% make the laws to protect themselves it may be necessary to rhett o rick Jan 2015 #61
Abbie Hoffman Octafish Jan 2015 #67
Perhaps, but dont then complain if you fail Telcontar Jan 2015 #92
What does complaining have to do with it. The founders knew that they might be rhett o rick Jan 2015 #100
+1 If prosecutors were liable treestar Jan 2015 #77
K/R marmar Jan 2015 #17
He was offered a 6 month plea deal....that's hardly "Stasi." nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #46
You know how it seems the "centrists" serve to move things "rightward"? Octafish Jan 2015 #56
I agree with the whitehouse. cstanleytech Jan 2015 #19
They should be... daleanime Jan 2015 #30
Swartz was convicted Thespian2 Jan 2015 #21
He was charged. Never convicted. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #31
No he wasn't mythology Jan 2015 #33
As a 'suicide survivor', no one is EVER 'driven to suicide'! ColesCountyDem Jan 2015 #23
Not true. Simply and ABSOLUTELY not true. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #32
And the vast majority of mental-health professionals' opinion, too. n/t ColesCountyDem Jan 2015 #40
n/t my ass. That was a shameful post. No, you and "the vast majority of mental-health ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #42
As a two-time survivor, I have done my research. Might I suggest you do the same? ColesCountyDem Jan 2015 #72
I'm so sorry to hear that. (And I completely agree with you.) deurbano Jan 2015 #63
Other people cannot be blamed for a suicide treestar Jan 2015 #76
Have you not read a single article, ever, about a bullied teen committing suicide? Doctor_J Jan 2015 #38
Your doctorate is obviously not in psychology, Doctor_J. n/t ColesCountyDem Jan 2015 #41
it is disgusting to me when people use their anecdotal stories to make a proclmation ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #43
Unbelievable. I don't actually think the president needed any cover on this. Firing the prosecutors Doctor_J Jan 2015 #47
+1 840high Jan 2015 #101
Typical DOJ MO: use vague laws to go after enemies and as an excuse for not prosecuting friends. Vattel Jan 2015 #28
Sorry...but there isn't a single charge on the indictment that is vague... msanthrope Jan 2015 #51
Lol, you are correct that the charges are not vague. But no need to be sorry for that. Vattel Jan 2015 #58
Shhh! YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #108
This explains why they were too busy to bust the banksters Doctor_J Jan 2015 #39
Absolutely Nixon. Plugging leaks is what plumbers do. Octafish Jan 2015 #49
Google appears to do the same or similar thing. Trillo Jan 2015 #59
This quote says it all Ramses Jan 2015 #68
Yes. 840high Jan 2015 #102
I don't think anyone can be blamed for a suicide treestar Jan 2015 #75
Well, the ugly truth is prosecutors make their living Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #87
As long as patriots protect the country from itself, we have nothing to fear Rex Jan 2015 #104
Remember Cliff Baxter? Octafish Jan 2015 #105
No no no! Come on Octa! ALL events in time happen in a complete vacuum! Rex Jan 2015 #107
 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
8. It's not really an issue.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:04 AM
Jan 2015

He broke the law, he was arrested for it. Instead of facing the music, he killed himself.

If he was a businessman, no one on this site would care. But because he was a proponent of "open-access", he's a hero. Fuck that nonsense. He's a criminal.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
11. Funny how that works.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jan 2015

Strict adherence to "the law" is required for some who question, and for others the law is fungible.
Steal "intellectual property" and you are a criminal that deserves everything he gets...steal millions or billions and you are just a business man doing what they do...and you might have to give some of it back if you get caught.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. How compassionate.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jan 2015

"Fuck that nonsense. He's a criminal."

No, the point is he wasn't a criminal. He believed in Democracy.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
15. He broke the law.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jan 2015

By DEFINITION, that makes him a criminal. He may have believed in Democracy, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a criminal. If he was THAT passionate about what he believed in, he would've faced the charges. But he wasn't. He took his own life.

It wasn't a witch hunt. The prosecutors were not wrong, and don't need to be dismissed.


You can believe in Democracy and believe that he was a criminal at the same time. They are not independent of each other.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
20. He was never convicted because he killed himself before going to trial...
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jan 2015

However, the FOIA requests after his death did release quite a bit of evidence against him.

And yes, I agree with the government on this one. Tinfoil doesn't suit my complexion.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
74. Thanks! Now I understand: For posting, I'm a revolting douche and an asshole, Dr. Hobbitstein.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 10:37 AM
Jan 2015

This has nothing to do with you, personally, but, for me, smearing someone as a "Conspiracy Theorist" is a method for ruining a person's credibility. The original CT smears were created by the CIA to denigrate investigators into the assassination of President Kennedy.

In regards to Aaron Swartz's death, here's what Aaron Swartz's father said: "My son was killed by the government." I think he has a damn good case, even just going by what TIME reported.

FTR: "Hanging" is how Aaron Swartz is reported to have died. "Hanging" is how the DC Madame, the one who pampered David Vitter, is reported to have died. "Hanging" is how Mark Lombardi, the artist who pegged the Osama bin Laden-George W Bush connection, is reported to have died. "Hanging" is how BFEE chum Boris Berezovsky, who owned all manner of stuff and was friendly with royalty on both sides of the Atlantic, is reported to have died.

Something else you need to know: Despite what the Constitution and the rest of the law says, the public record proves members -- officers -- of the government of the United States have done all sorts of criminal and murderous things to protect operations and operators. Think "Banksters" and "Warmongers" and even you might get what I'm writing about.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
79. Quick Question: Is calling me "Better Believe It!" code for ''asshole,'' Dr Hobbitstein?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jan 2015

Your name wouldn't happen to be Joe, would it? If so, how's your "dream job" coming?

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
82. Nope. Nothing to do with assholes...
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jan 2015

Just woo. And no, my name's not Joe. Dr. Hobbitstein refers to my boutique effects pedal company (electronic effects for musicians).

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
84. DUers zappaman and SidDithers use it sometimes when replying to my posts.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4644383

Just a co-incidence, then, using that phrase.

The reason I bring it up is that "Better Believe It," or some variation thereof, also happened to be a DUer's handle. I think he or she was banned.

Seeing the phrase used now, however, reminds me how seeing it repeated by you, SidDithers of DU, and zappaman, makes it easier to find something on DU via GOOGLE.

[font color="blue"]Regarding "woo": What did I post that is not true? [/font color]

If there's something I posted that's wrong, let me know. I'd like to correct it.
 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
85. BBI spread woo and conspiracy theories.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:12 PM
Jan 2015

What you posted, however, is speculation and an EXTREMELY biased op-ed that ignores most of the facts surrounding the case. Which falls under CT and woo. Which leads to tinfoil hats. Which leads to BBI.

Hope this clears up the confusion...

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
103. Oh dears Octa! Someone got a sad where you linked the Dude to the swarm!
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 03:14 AM
Jan 2015

I wonder why!? Keep hammering these guys back into irrelevancy...they seem to whittle down every year from embarrassment or...gosh...getting banned?

Their scorn is so hard to hide for them now, you just keep on with the truth and laugh off their bullshit tactics. So 5th grade. I do however love watching them grind their teeth in total frustration.



Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
89. results
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jan 2015

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DUers zappaman and SidDithers use it sometimes when replying to my posts.
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Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
90. I agree with the jury...
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 06:20 PM
Jan 2015

That should be left alone. Octafish was just noting that Sid, zappaman, and myself all use the same terminology when referring to threads of this nature. Nothing vindictive or insulting.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
106. Merely petulant.
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jan 2015

"Nothing vindictive or insulting..."

Merely petulant. (insert nationalization below to appear more adult than stands...)

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
91. Did you like BetterBelieveIt? Was he a "great DUer" like Fire Walk With Me?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 06:21 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5888735

Fire Walk With Me was banned for being an anti-Semite. Hardly someone I would call a "great DUer".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=167827&sub=trans

Odd that you would refer to him that way well after he was banned.
Why you would do that, i cannot say.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
94. Different from SDuderstadt.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 07:16 PM
Jan 2015

BetterBelieveIt believed in Democracy. GOOGLE his name and mine and we come out on the same side. So, I never would have believed he was an Anti-Semite. If you'd link me to the thread that you refer to, I'd have a better idea of what happened.

As for SDuderstadt, he protected the BFEE. You know, the Wingman Dude. Tag Team. That guy.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x298668

Gee. Looking back through the archives, it's easy to GOOGLE Octafish + zappaman + SDuderstadt, too. He, like you, show a pattern of smearing me through methods that include guilt-by-association and misrepresentation. Which explains your efforts to yell "Anti-Semite" when I write about crimes of the national security state.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6068507

Got an idea: Rather than attacking me by smear, show where I'm wrong. That's something else I've asked you to do for years.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
96. Neither did I.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 07:36 PM
Jan 2015

Show me where BetterBelieveIt was an Anti-Semite and I won't call him or her a great DUer.

FWIW: As for what makes a great DUer, BetterBelieveIt sided with Democracy. BBI thought warmongers and banksters had seized control of the United States national security apparatus through bullet and the government through the ballot denying SCROTUS. And on a personal level, BetterBelieveIt never once smeared me.

Those are three things BBI and you don't have in common. No wonder I thought like I did.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
97. Now you deny your own words, Brad?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 07:39 PM
Jan 2015

Nice try with the deflection.
You called Fire Walk With Me a "great DUer"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5888735

Fire Walk With Me was banned for being an anti-Semite. Hardly someone I would call a "great DUer".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=167827&sub=trans

Odd that you would refer to him that way well after he was banned.
Why you would do that, i cannot say.

I also can't say why you repeatedly bring the words of ant-Semite, homophobes like Paul Craig Roberts and Wayne Madsen to DU.

Care to say why?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
98. More smears from zappaman.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jan 2015

Where did BetterBelieveIt post something anti-Semitic?

I see the page where Fire Walk With Me's been banned. So what?

And rather than talk up a storm, show where I posted anything anti-Semitic or homophobic.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
99. I don't source homophobes or anti-Semites either.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:10 PM
Jan 2015

You do.
Another BIG difference.
And anyone who can read can see I never said BBI posted something anti-Semitic.
"So what" FWWM was banned.
Well, Octafish of DU, the "so what" is he was banned for being an anti-Semite, yet you call him a "great DUer".

Why is that....I wonder....sure is interesting.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
45. Thanks for keeping things simple
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jan 2015

Could you be any more reflexively incurious and authoritarian?

[IMG][/IMG]

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
60. Some don't like it when people try to speak truth to power which is always illegal.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 03:56 PM
Jan 2015

Gen Clapper broke the law also, but he is free from government harassment. The wealth can make the laws so they only apply to the 99%. Our founders were breaking the law. Be curious whose side you'd have been on back then.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. Unlike most assholes on the Internet and in Life, Swartz mattered.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:46 AM
Jan 2015
Why They Mattered: Aaron Swartz
1986-2013

By LAWRENCE LESSIG December 22, 2013

In January we lost Aaron Swartz, 26, to suicide. Or better, as the breadth of his work was wide and its depth, profound: In January we all lost Aaron Swartz to suicide.

At 14, Aaron gave us RSS—the syndication protocol that feeds information across the Net automatically. Two years later, he developed the technical architecture for Creative Commons—a system of free copyright licenses authorizing people to share creative work freely. He later helped build the Open Library, to catalog books online. He liberated, legally, a database (known as PACER) of government-owned court documents, thus lowering the cost of many legal services. He provided a key technical component to the news site Reddit, becoming an equal partner in that incredibly successful company. And just before his death, he was completing work on a suite of tools to make online activism insanely more effective.

Yet Aaron was not just, or even primarily, a computer geek. His defining feature was a constant struggle for what he believed was right. More than anyone I have ever known, Aaron’s sense for what was just was his single guide. He had made a fortune, almost by accident, with his work on Reddit and used that wealth to pursue a fight for what he believed to be right—no matter the context. Until one of those battles got out of his control.

Two years before Aaron took his life, he was arrested by police in Cambridge, Mass., for breaking and entering on the Massachusetts Institute of Technology campus with “intent to commit a felony.” MIT had found in a closet a computer that that it linked to Aaron that was systematically downloading the full contents of the JSTOR database—an archive of scholarly articles. As Cambridge police, and then MIT, and then the FBI, and then even the Secret Service reasoned, downloading millions of documents without the permission of the site hosting them must, somehow, constitute a wrong.

Aaron thought the wrong was the other way round. We’ll never know precisely what his motives were, but in the months leading up to his arrest, he had become more and more vocal about the injustice to the developing world of keeping academic research locked up behind paywalls in rich countries. Unjust, and stupid. None of the authors of the work Aaron was downloading wanted to restrict its distribution. None of them got paid more because of those restrictions, either.

Instead, the fact that JSTOR controlled the material was the unintended consequence of a system of copyright built for the physical world, a system now struggling to catch up with the digital. JSTOR had done great service by making academic work much more accessible through libraries and other subscriptions. But Aaron was impatient: What possible reason was there, he asked me and others, again and again, for blocking wider access to this knowledge? A few months before his arrest, he told computer science students at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign that they had a “moral obligation” to use their own privileged access to make knowledge available to everyone across the globe. Presumably, his detour to an MIT computer closet was penance to that same “moral obligation.”

Lawrence Lessig is Roy L. Furman professor of law and leadership at Harvard Law School.

SOURCE w/links: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/aaron-swartz-obituary-101418.html#.VLPPkivF-UU

Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
71. Thanks, Octafish. This is worthwhile reading, too.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jan 2015

Embedded links (all reposts) at originals only.

http://unhandled.com/2013/01/12/the-truth-about-aaron-swartzs-crime/

The Truth about Aaron Swartz’s “Crime”

I did not know Aaron Swartz, unless you count having copies of a person’s entire digital life on your forensics server as knowing him. I did once meet his father, an intelligent and dedicated man who was clearly pouring his life into defending his son. My deepest condolences go out to him and the rest of Aaron’s family during what must be the hardest time of their lives.

If the good that men do is oft interred with their bones, so be it, but in the meantime I feel a responsibility to correct some of the erroneous information being posted as comments to otherwise informative discussions at Reddit, Hacker News and Boing Boing. Apparently some people feel the need to self-aggrandize by opining on the guilt of the recently departed, and I wanted to take this chance to speak on behalf of a man who can no longer defend himself. I had hoped to ask Aaron to discuss these issues on the Defcon stage once he was acquitted, but now that he has passed it is important that his memory not be besmirched by the ignorant and uninformed. I have confirmed with Aaron’s attorneys that I am free to discuss these issues now that the criminal case is moot.

I was the expert witness on Aaron’s side of US vs Swartz, engaged by his attorneys last year to help prepare a defense for his April trial. Until Keker Van Nest called iSEC Partners I had very little knowledge of Aaron’s plight, and although we have spoken at or attended many of the same events we had never once met.

Should you doubt my neutrality, let me establish my bona fides. I have led the investigation of dozens of computer crimes, from Latvian hackers blackmailing a stock brokerage to Chinese government-backed attacks against dozens of American enterprises. I have investigated small insider violations of corporate policy to the theft of hundreds of thousands of dollars, and have responded to break-ins at social networks, e-tailers and large banks. While we are no stranger to pro bono work, having served as experts on EFF vs Sony BMG and Sony vs Hotz, our reports have also been used in the prosecution of at least a half dozen attackers. In short, I am no long-haired-hippy-anarchist who believes that anything goes on the Internet. I am much closer to the stereotypical capitalist-white-hat sellout that the antisec people like to rant about (and steal mail spools from) in the weeks before BlackHat.

I know a criminal hack when I see it, and Aaron’s downloading of journal articles from an unlocked closet is not an offense worth 35 years in jail.

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The Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC) is a U.S. political action committee which focuses on building progressive power. This includes electing progressive Democrats to the Senate and House of Representatives and advocating for progressive policy responses to national and local political issues.(2)(3)(4)

The PCCC was founded in 2009 by Adam Green, Stephanie Taylor, and Aaron Swartz. Michael Snook and Forrest Brown have worked with the organization since its founding year. The PCCC claims to have almost one million members.(5)

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FYI: Lessig's Wikipedia states that he clerked for Justice Scalia at the Supreme Court for a year. Odd, isn't it? Also, considering Lessig was Swartz's mentor, I find reports that Swartz faced potentially crushing legal bills( http://www.yarbroughlaw.com/Newsletters/Newsletters_web_format/newsletter_47.htm ) very strange. Lessig's explanation below.

http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/40347463044/prosecutor-as-bully

LESSIG BLOG, V2
PROSECUTOR AS BULLY

(Some will say this is not the time. I disagree. This is the time when every mixed emotion needs to find voice.)

Since his arrest in January, 2011, I have known more about the events that began this spiral than I have wanted to know. Aaron consulted me as a friend and lawyer. He shared with me what went down and why, and I worked with him to get help. When my obligations to Harvard created a conflict that made it impossible for me to continue as a lawyer, I continued as a friend. Not a good enough friend, no doubt, but nothing was going to draw that friendship into doubt.

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Aaron had literally done nothing in his life “to make money.” He was fortunate Reddit turned out as it did, but from his work building the RSS standard, to his work architecting Creative Commons, to his work liberating public records, to his work building a free public library, to his work supporting Change Congress/FixCongressFirst/Rootstrikers, and then Demand Progress, Aaron was always and only working for (at least his conception of) the public good. He was brilliant, and funny. A kid genius. A soul, a conscience, the source of a question I have asked myself a million times: What would Aaron think? That person is gone today, driven to the edge by what a decent society would only call bullying. I get wrong. But I also get proportionality. And if you don’t get both, you don’t deserve to have the power of the United States government behind you.

For remember, we live in a world where the architects of the financial crisis regularly dine at the White House — and where even those brought to “justice” never even have to admit any wrongdoing, let alone be labeled “felons.”

In that world, the question this government needs to answer is why it was so necessary that Aaron Swartz be labeled a “felon.” For in the 18 months of negotiations, that was what he was not willing to accept, and so that was the reason he was facing a million dollar trial in April — his wealth bled dry, yet unable to appeal openly to us for the financial help he needed to fund his defense, at least without risking the ire of a district court judge. And so as wrong and misguided and fucking sad as this is, I get how the prospect of this fight, defenseless, made it make sense to this brilliant but troubled boy to end it.

Fifty years in jail, charges our government. Somehow, we need to get beyond the “I’m right so I’m right to nuke you” ethics that dominates our time. That begins with one word: Shame.

One word, and endless tears.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
24. USA PATRIOT Act meets Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jan 2015
From 'WarGames' to Aaron Swartz: How U.S. anti-hacking law went astray

The 1983 movie "WarGames" led to an anti-hacking law with felony penalties aimed at deterring intrusions into NORAD. Over time, it became broad and vague enough to ensnare the late Aaron Swartz.

by Declan McCullagh
Cnet, March 13, 2013

Aaron Swartz, the Internet activist who committed suicide while facing the possibility of a felony criminal conviction, was prosecuted under a law that was never intended to cover what he was accused of doing.

The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1984 dealt only with bank and defense-related intrusions. But over the years, thanks to constant pressure from the U.S. Department of Justice, the scope of the law slowly crept outward.

So by the time Swartz was arrested in 2011, the tough federal statute meant to protect our national defense secrets covered everything from Bradley Manning's offenses to violating a Web site's terms of use, a breathtaking expansion that has led to a House of Representatives hearing today and other calls for reform .

In the hands of aggressive federal prosecutors, that wide-ranging law has become the proverbial hammer where a scalpel will do. It has been used against a New Jersey man who will be sentenced Monday for accesssing a portion of AT&T's Web site that was not password protected, and against a Missouri woman accused of lying on her MySpace profile .

"In 20 years, we've seen the law become broader and the penalties become more Draconian," says Hanni Fakhoury, a former federal public defender who's now an attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. "And as a result, we have this situation."

It was the mighty CFAA that brought down Swartz. The district attorney for Massachusetts' Middlesex County, which includes MIT's Cambridge campus, reportedly had no plans to throw the book at him. The curators of the academic database he accessed, JSTOR, have said for years that they had "no interest in this becoming an ongoing legal matter."

But once his case was in federal hands, Swartz became, in the words of prosecutor Carmen Ortiz, no different than a violent criminal. "Stealing is stealing whether you use a computer command or a crowbar," Ortiz said at the time.

What Ortiz didn't say is that the CFAA's punishments, drafted during a post-WarGames computer hacking scare and designed to deter intrusions into NORAD, threatened Swartz with stiffer penalties than if he had been convicted of assault with an actual crowbar. An additional indictment Ortiz's office filed last year sought up to 50 years of prison, which, realistically, meant something like 7 years because Swartz had no criminal record. Justice Department statistics (PDF) show that the median length of incarceration for sexual assault and aggravated assault is 5 years.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cnet.com/news/from-wargames-to-aaron-swartz-how-u-s-anti-hacking-law-went-astray/

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
26. All the way around.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:14 AM
Jan 2015
Aaron Swartz’s Father Blasts MIT Report, Says School Wasn’t Neutral

In an interview with TIME, Robert Swartz says MIT failed in its "moral obligation" to advocate on Aaron’s behalf

By Sam Gustin
TIME, July 31, 2013

EXCERPT...

In an interview with TIME, Robert Swartz, Aaron’s father, praised Abelson for assembling the facts, but said that a clear reading of those facts shows that MIT was not neutral in Aaron’s case. “The report is a contradiction because it says that MIT was neutral, and yet it makes very clear that MIT was actually not neutral,” Robert Swartz said. “MIT called in the police and then violated the law by providing the government with information and material from Aaron’s computer without a court order. Then they lied to me about those facts.”

Federal prosecutors charged Swartz under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA), a controversial 1980s-era law originally designed to ward off “WarGames“-style attempts to break into Cold War-era government computer systems like NORAD. Swartz, who believed deeply that academic research — especially research funded by U.S. taxpayers — should be available to the public, allegedly hooked up a laptop inside an MIT computer closet in order to download academic articles from the JSTOR scholarly database.

CONTINUED...

http://business.time.com/2013/07/31/aaron-swartzs-father-blasts-mit-report-says-school-wasnt-neutral/

And totally heartbreaking.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
48. Why the hell would MIT advocate for him? AS had no affiliation with MIT...he broke into
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jan 2015

their protected computer to steal from JSTOR. Why shouldn't MIT provide the feds with info? A thief breaking into a network has no expectation of privacy.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
50. You really should be a prosecutor.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jan 2015

It seems that every time somebody is in danger of supporting the First Amendment, there you are.

Awesome!

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
54. He had a great lawyer...he was offered a 6 month plea deal. And this case has nothing
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jan 2015

to do with the First Amendment.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/09/swartzsuperseding.pdf

AS broke into a protected MIT computer and stole from JSTOR, crashing their servers more than once. That isn't the first amendment...it's theft.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
62. It's got everything to do with what the First Amendment stands for: Democracy.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 04:40 PM
Jan 2015
Providing scientific articles to those at elite universities in the First World, but not to children in the Global South? It's outrageous and unacceptable. … We need to take information, wherever it is stored, make our copies and share them with the world. … We need to download scientific journals and upload them to file sharing networks. We need to fight for Guerilla Open Access.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112418/aaron-swartz-suicide-why-he-broke-jstor-and-mit



I believe Aaron Swartz and I shared the same perspective on information -- official, news and scientific reports -- and their positive relationship to democracy. I know I have a difference of opinion in what free access to information means with the Supreme Court's pro-corporate perspective that "copyrighted" material is money and money is speech and that secret government is okay with them, as they appoint its overseers.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
65. Breaking into MIT has nothing to do with the First Amendment. Distributing
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jan 2015

copyrighted material that other people have created is a cowardly act.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
34. Stephen Heymann, Aaron Swartz Prosecutor, Compared Internet Activist To Rapist: MIT Report
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:50 AM
Jan 2015

Ryan J. Reilly
Huffington Post, 7/31/13

WASHINGTON -- The federal prosecutor who managed the Justice Department's case against the late Aaron Swartz compared the Internet pioneer to a rapist and suggested he had “systematically revictimized” the Massachusetts Institute of Technology by not taking a plea bargain, according to a new report.

Swartz committed suicide earlier this year as he was fighting federal computer crimes charges for downloading thousands of academic articles from MIT's campus though the online database JSTOR.

Stephen Heymann, an assistant U.S. attorney for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Massachusetts, told a lawyer for MIT on Aug. 9, 2012 that it is disturbing to him "whenever a defendant 'systematically revictimized' the victim, and that was what Swartz was doing by dragging MIT through hearings and a trial," according to a memorandum recounted in MIT's report on its conduct in the Swartz case. Heymann "analogized attacking MIT’s conduct in the case to attacking a rape victim based on sleeping with other men," the report states.

Heymann's comments came after outside counsel for MIT told him that the institution was not looking forward to the time, disruption and stress involved in testifying at a hearing or at a trial, according to the report. Heymann also indicated he was angered that Swartz started a "wild Internet campaign" against his prosecution after he allowed him to surrender without being arrested, according to the report.

The assistant U.S. attorney said it was “foolish” to campaign against the prosecution, evidently referring to a campaign run by Demand Progress, an organization that Swartz co-founded. He said that Swartz's decision to have Demand Progress write about and gather support on the day of his arrest took the case “from a human one-on-one level to an institutional level.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/31/stephen-heymann-aaron-swartz_n_3685191.html

Banksters and warmongers walk free, though.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
37. Internet Activist’s Prosecutor Linked To Another Hacker’s Death.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:23 PM
Jan 2015

The prosecution used the kind of tactics I associate with Police States.



Internet Activist’s Prosecutor Linked To Another Hacker’s Death

Prosecutor Stephen Heymann has been blamed for contributing to Swartz’s suicide. Back in 2008, young hacker Jonathan James killed himself in the midst of a federal investigation led by the same prosecutor.

Justine Sharrock
BuzzFeed Staff, Jan. 14, 2013, at 9:10 p.m.

One of the prosecutors in the case of the online pioneer who killed himself this weekend, Aaron Swartz, was accused in 2008 of driving another hacker to suicide.

Some of Swartz’s friends have accused Assistant United States Attorney Stephen Heymann of contributing to Swartz’s suicide, with his unwillingness to compromise on the prosecution of Swartz in a case involving scholarly journal articles.

Back in 2008, another young hacker, Jonathan James, killed himself after being named a suspect in another Heymann case.

James, the first juvenile put into confinement for a federal cybercrime case, was found dead was two weeks after the Secret Service raided his house as part of its investigation of the TJX hacker case led by Heymann — the largest personal identity hack in history. He was thought to be “JJ,” the unindicted co-conspirator named in the criminal complaints filed with the US District Court in Massachusetts. In his suicide note, James wrote that he was killing himself in response to the federal investigation and their attempts to tie him to a crime which he did not commit:

“I have no faith in the ‘justice’ system. Perhaps my actions today, and this letter, will send a stronger message to the public. Either way, I have lost control over this situation, and this is my only way to regain control.”

“Remember,” he wrote, “it’s not whether you win or lose, it’s whether I win or lose, and sitting in jail for 20, 10, or even 5 years for a crime I didn’t commit is not me winning. I die free.”


Heymann received the Attorney General’s Award for Distinguished Service for “directing the largest and most successful identity theft and hacking investigation and prosecution ever conducted in the United States.”

Swartz’s family has accused Heymann, U.S. Attorneys Scott Garland who was the lead prosecutor, and Massachusetts U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz of contributing to their son’s death, who was known to have suffered from depression. “Aaron’s death is not simply a personal tragedy. It is the product of a criminal justice system rife with intimidation and prosecutorial overreach. Decisions made by officials in the Massachusetts U.S. attorney’s office and at M.I.T. contributed to his death.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/justinesharrock/internet-activists-prosecutor-linked-to-another-h#.wuE1RRYPx



Sad, in every way, Overseas.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
83. I don't know what James' case has to do with "First Amendment activism"
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jan 2015
Gonzalez reconnected with an old friend from EFnet, Christopher Scott, who was willing to do grunt work. Scott began cruising the commercial stretches of Route 1 in Miami, looking for war-driving targets. His experiments at BJ’s Wholesale Club and DSW met with success. He stole about 400,000 card accounts from the former, a million from the latter. He described the breaches and passed card numbers to Gonzalez.

The following summer, Scott parked outside a pair of Marshalls stores. He enlisted the help of Jonathan James, a minor celebrity among Miami black hats for being the first American juvenile ever incarcerated for computer crimes. (At 15, he hacked into the Department of Defense; he lived under house arrest for six months.) Scott cracked the Marshalls WiFi network, and he and James started navigating the system: they co-opted log-ins and passwords and got Gonzalez into the network; they made their way into the corporate servers at the Framingham, Mass., headquarters of Marshalls’ parent company, TJX; they located the servers that housed old card transactions from stores. Scott set up a VPN — the system Gonzalez and the Secret Service used to ensnare Shadowcrew — so they could move in and out of TJX and install software without detection. When Gonzalez found that so many of the card numbers they were getting were expired, he had Stephen Watt develop a “sniffer” program to seek out, capture and store recent transactions. Once the collection of data reached a certain size, the program was designed to automatically close, then encrypt, compress and forward the card data to Gonzalez’s computer, just as you might send someone an e-mail with a zip file attached. Steadily, patiently, they siphoned the material from the TJX servers. “The experienced ones take their time and slowly bleed the data out,” a Secret Service analyst says.

By the end of 2006, Gonzalez, Scott and James had information linked to more than 40 million cards. It wasn’t a novel caper, but they executed it better than anyone else had. Using similar methods, they hacked into OfficeMax, Barnes & Noble, Target, Sports Authority and Boston Market, and probably many other companies that never detected a breach or notified the authorities. Scott bought a six-foot-tall radio antenna, and he and James rented hotel rooms near stores for the tougher jobs. In many cases, the data were simply there for the taking, unencrypted, unprotected.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/magazine/14Hacker-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

Feel free to enlighten me... Because I find *nothing* tragic about a kid who was a rampant criminal and decided to off himself rather than face the music once he was caught...

Unless of course the NYT story is wrong and James did none of those things...Or is the kid who killed himself a different Jonathan James?
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
16. Those who knew him personally said he was suicidal to begin. He broke the law knowingly
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:49 AM
Jan 2015

as protestors often do and then killed himself.

Why should the prosecutors be fired?

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
27. I don't think it should just take a petition to get someone fired.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:20 AM
Jan 2015

I agree with the Whitehouse:

The White House said personnel matters can’t be handled in such a forum. “We will not address agency personnel matters in a petition response, because we do not believe this is the appropriate forum in which to do so,” the agency said in a statement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/01/08/in-a-long-delayed-petition-response-obama-refuses-to-fire-u-s-attorneys-over-aaron-swartz/

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
52. Especially considering how he didn't have the multi-million dollars the defense required.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jan 2015

You know, didn't have deep pockets.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
53. I would have taken it and been out by now.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jan 2015

With millions of fans and stuff. Poor guy must have already been troubled.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
66. He wanted to run for elected office & that would've disqualified him (SEE: 'The Internet's Own Boy')
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:10 PM
Jan 2015
http://bostinno.streetwise.co/2015/01/11/aaron-swartzs-anniversary-watch-the-internets-own-boy-online/

Watch 'The Internet's Own Boy' on the 2-Year Anniversary of Aaron Swartz's Death

Lauren Landry - Associate Editor, BostInno
01/11/15 @1:23pm


January 11, 2015 marks the two-year anniversary of Aaron Swartz's death...

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/watch_new_footage_director_interview_from_aaron_swartz_doc_20150108
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_internets_own_boy_the_story_of_aaron_swartz/
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
61. When the 1% make the laws to protect themselves it may be necessary to
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jan 2015

break those laws as our founders did, and as protesters, OWS, and investigative journalists often do. But those that don't like people that speak truth to power can rationalize their deaths.

RIP, Aaron Swartz

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
67. Abbie Hoffman
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jan 2015

Guy wrote about the October Surprise for 1988 Playboy, "An Election Held Hostage."

Shortly thereafter he got into a fender bender, became depressed, and took his life.

Another one of those things.

 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
92. Perhaps, but dont then complain if you fail
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 06:42 PM
Jan 2015

The FF were fully prepared to hang if the Recolution failed.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
100. What does complaining have to do with it. The founders knew that they might be
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:28 PM
Jan 2015

hanged but that doesn't mean they couldn't complain about it. Whistle-blowers, protesters, and investigative journalists all know what will happen when they expose the Oligarchy.

So why do non-progressives hate whistle-blowers, OWS, protesters, and investigative journalists? IMO these people don't want to face the truth. They are more comfortable believing that their authoritarian masters are taking good care of them. That's why some will choose to side with Gen Clapper (who broke the law) over Snowden that tried to expose the naked emperor.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
77. +1 If prosecutors were liable
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jan 2015

they would hardly be able to prosecute crimes at all.

I think there is a DU contingent that simply does not believe there should be any criminal prosecutions of anyone who can in the least take the label "whistleblower" or "protestor."

I'd say they think there should be no criminal law whatsoever (I've even seen the assertion no cops are needed) but then there is Bush and Cheney.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
56. You know how it seems the "centrists" serve to move things "rightward"?
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:08 PM
Jan 2015

It's gotten so fast we can it move.

cstanleytech

(26,298 posts)
19. I agree with the whitehouse.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jan 2015

Not because I like the prosecutors but because to fire someone you need a really good reason imo like say if they had planted evidence but being total assholes (which the prosecutors were being imo) isnt a firing offense if it was alot of people in congress and the senate (mostly republicans) would be out of jobs atm.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
33. No he wasn't
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jan 2015

He was charged with distributing copyrighted material repeatedly. He believed it should be free, but instead of working within the law, he went to MIT, set up a computer in a networking closet (rather than doing so at Harvard where he was affiliated because MIT has a completely open network where Harvard makes you sign in) and set a script to mass download millions of documents that he then distributed. The fact that he disguised what he was going means he knew what he was doing was against the law but he wasn't prepared to handle the stress of what that meant.

Additionally this wasn't the first time he got in trouble for this. He set up a different system to distribute court documents that required a nominal fee (10 cents) to pay for court costs. So he had to understand the potential consequences.

He was already a suicidal person and had been so for years. Claiming that it was all the fault of the prosecutors is at best intellectually dishonest. He committed himself to a path that set him at odds with the law but didn't have the emotional health and stability to handle it. I don't believe there is any shame in committing suicide, but I think his friends and family are blaming the wrong people in shifting all or most of the blame to the prosecutors.

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
23. As a 'suicide survivor', no one is EVER 'driven to suicide'!
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:04 AM
Jan 2015

My son committed suicide last June 8th, and my brother in May 1996, so I know quite a bit about suicide. The concept of being 'driven to suicide' is pure horseshit! No one who is not already suicidal will be 'driven' to go through with it.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
42. n/t my ass. That was a shameful post. No, you and "the vast majority of mental-health
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jan 2015

professionals" do not get to declare this. Ever.

As a survivor, one should do one's research.

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
72. As a two-time survivor, I have done my research. Might I suggest you do the same?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 06:04 AM
Jan 2015

You may not like the fact that what I posted is true, but that doesn't make it untrue.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
38. Have you not read a single article, ever, about a bullied teen committing suicide?
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:28 PM
Jan 2015

Wow. The depths some will plumb to defend Obama.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
43. it is disgusting to me when people use their anecdotal stories to make a proclmation
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jan 2015

over all cases. Simply sickening. thank you D_J.

afsp.org

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
47. Unbelievable. I don't actually think the president needed any cover on this. Firing the prosecutors
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jan 2015

would be absurd. But way too many at DU have this knee-jerk reaction to any criticism of Obama, and they don't care who has to be smeared or what lies have to be told. The person here is one of the worst.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
51. Sorry...but there isn't a single charge on the indictment that is vague...
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/09/swartzsuperseding.pdf

He broke into a protected MIT computer to steal from JSTOR, taking down their servers more than once. He was offered a 6 month plea deal....and he chose suicide.
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
39. This explains why they were too busy to bust the banksters
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:30 PM
Jan 2015

Pot users and bloggers were absorbing all of their energy.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
49. Absolutely Nixon. Plugging leaks is what plumbers do.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:53 PM
Jan 2015

Now that We the People have the Internet, they (those interested in limiting Democracy for profit and power) have lifetime job security. Seeing how most everyone will have to work to age 75, they're thankful.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
59. Google appears to do the same or similar thing.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jan 2015

I use Google Scholar a little bit, as most "written for laypersons" articles most often do not have the information I'm looking for.

The Google summaries on the Google URL search results page often have text from inside the cited report, but when I click on the link to read the summary, which is most often all that's available to my browser, the text Google used in the search results is not available. Presumably this text is inside paid portions of the article.

My point is that it seems Google has indexed portions of scholarly reports that are not visible to common web browsers, so Google must have downloaded those reports, scanned and indexed them. I'm not certain how this is any different from what Swartz did, except that Swartz was a mere citizen, while Google, a huge corporation.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
68. This quote says it all
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jan 2015

"In 2013, US Attorney General Eric Holder called the prosecution of Swartz “a good use of prosecutorial discretion.”

Wall street criminals and Bush regime war criminals are safe and sound, but whistleblowers and truthtellers are prosecuted.
America is a very sick and corrupt country

treestar

(82,383 posts)
75. I don't think anyone can be blamed for a suicide
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jan 2015

That's ultimately a personal choice.

Ironic when we are debating how the Charlie Abdo cartoonists were murdered by other people whom they'd offended.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
87. Well, the ugly truth is prosecutors make their living
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jan 2015

dangling huge prison terms as a way to intimidate defendants and witnesses...The tactic is generations old, and while we can debate the ethical use of such a tactic, it isn't a firing offense...And I hate to be the one to say it, but had Obama fired those two, they could sue for wrongful termination and win easily...

My question is why didn't Swartz just call the bluff and fight such flimsy charges?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
104. As long as patriots protect the country from itself, we have nothing to fear
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 03:20 AM
Jan 2015

but learning the truth.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
105. Remember Cliff Baxter?
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 04:42 PM
Jan 2015

The ENRON vice chairman tied Kenny Boy Lay to George W Bush and Poppy Bush. After telling friends he wanted to hire a bodyguard, he "committed suicide."



The Mysterious Death Of An Enron Exec

By Chris Oregan
CBS News
February 11, 2009 9:11 PM

It may be the biggest outstanding mystery in the Enron story: the death of Cliff Baxter, a former top Enron executive. He'd just agreed to testify to Congress in the Enron case. A congressional source tells CBS News that Baxter wasn't a target in the probe, he was to provide evidence against others.

SNIP...

Police won't talk while the case is open, so CBS News asked two experts - independent coroner Cyril Wecht and former homicide detective Bill Wagner - to review the reports. While suicide appears likely, both experts say the documents make it impossible to discount foul play.

Asked why he couldn't rule out murder, Wagner said, "because murder can be made to look like a suicide. ... Someone who is knowledgeable about forensics can very well have the ability to stage a murder, commit a murder and stage it to look as if it was a suicide, understanding what the police are going to be looking for."

SNIP...

Other unanswered questions include mysterious wounds on one hand and unexplained shards of glass in Baxter's shirt. All reasons to look deeper to rule out murder.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-mysterious-death-of-an-enron-exec/



Case soon thereafter was closed. Followed by the death, closed casket funeral and burial or cremation of Kenny Boy Lay.

So the suicide of a connected player allows the BFEE to get away again. Another coincidence, certainly. Like how no one talks about Cliff Baxter or Kenny Boy Lay or ENRON anymore.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
107. No no no! Come on Octa! ALL events in time happen in a complete vacuum!
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:11 PM
Jan 2015

You KNOW humans lack the ability to commit conspiracies against one another! The DU Experts on Everything(TM) told us so!

Why would they lie to us?

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