France to deploy 5,000 police to Jewish schools

[oberliner]

Bernard Cazeneuve said soldiers would also be posted as reinforcements, as he addressed parents of a Jewish school to the south of Paris, near where an Islamist gunmen shot dead a policewoman on Thursday, one of 17 people killed in a three-day bloodbath.

The news comes just a day after French President Francois Hollande reassured the country’s Jewish community that Jewish schools and synagogues will be protected by the French army “if necessary”.

"He told us that all the schools, all the synagogues will be protected, if necessary, on top of the police, by the army," said Roger Cukierman, president of the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20150112/france-to-protect-jewish-schools-synagogues-with-army-if-necessary-jewish-leader

[mylye2222]

1. Yes. But why not protect Muslims?

[oberliner]

2. What do you mean?

How does this constitute not protecting Muslims?

[JustAnotherGen]

5. +100

[oberliner]

6. There have already announced that thousands of police will be deployed to protect mosques

Synagogues and Jewish schools as well.

[cali]

10. No. Police are also being deployed to protect Mosques

Last edited Mon Jan 12, 2015, 03:23 PM - Edit history (1)

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Prime Minister Manuel Valls said that the troops would be assigned to protect “synagogues, Jewish schools but also mosques, because a number of these have come under attack in recent days.

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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/terrorism-security/2015/0112/France-ramps-up-security-across-nation-warns-of-high-risk-of-more-attacks

If the emphasis appears to be on the protection of Jewish schools, it could well be because of recent violent attacks on Jews in France. In 2012 a Jewish School in which 3 children, a rabbi and several police were killed. Also a couple of years ago, a young French Jew was kidnapped and tortured to death. In December, a couple were attacked and the woman was raped in what was deemed an anti-semitic attack. And of course, the kosher grocery store attack of last week. And that's hardly an exhaustive list of the hate crimes perpetrated against Jews in France in the last few years After the attacks last week, there has been backlash against the Muslim community and Muslims should be protected.

[Rhinodawg]

22. Cali !!!!! Good to see you !!!

Damn, I missed you.

[panader0]

27. Good to see you again cali...

[Pooka Fey]

20. FAUX! nt

[mylye2222]

24. we haddnt the info when I posted

I self deleted.
My apoligies

Mylye.

[whatchamacallit]

3. Because, as you will notice

for many this is a one sided equation.

[LanternWaste]

8. Mosques, synagogues and Jewish schools all protected as per French Prime Minister

"Synagogues, Jewish schools, but also mosques will be protected because in the past few days there have been a number of attacks against mosques," French Prime Minister Manuel Valls told BFM TV.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4614277,00.html

[uppityperson]

18. Thank you for the information, that is good. Really sad, but good.

[Behind the Aegis]

7. Sad.

Just as sad as those who want to change the subject. However, it always is this way.

[Pooka Fey]

9. There was a very bloody attack on a Jewish school in the recent past by Muslim Extremists

Holland has a duty to protect French citizens. I'm not going to search out and post the link. It was huge news. Over the last 10 to 15 years, French Jews have become a target of harassment by French Muslim juvenile delinquents, gang members and voyous (translation - punks).

I learned on the news from one of the head Paris Rabbis that the word "Jew" has become an insult in the French public school system. 3/4 of Jewish parents won't send their kids to public schools because of bullying. I have lived in France for a decade, and I speak French fluently.

Among other terrorist attacks last week, a Kosher supermarket was targeted and French Jews doing their shopping for Shabbat were slaughtered by Islamic terrorists, so it's normal that the President send troops to protect Jewish schools.

This is a very disturbing and serious subject. I'm asking DU posters to consider this carefully before responding.

[cali]

11. thanks for your post.

[Pooka Fey]

12. You're welcome

and thanks for your appreciation, Cali. To tell you the truth, it scared me to write it. What does that say?

[cali]

13. I don't mean to be dense, but why?

[Pooka Fey]

14. Because I've been slogging it out all weekend in the DU mosh pit

insisting that we shall not blame the victims.

[cali]

17. ah, I see.

May I ask you a question? It appears to me that France has a problem with hate crimes against Jews. Is that accurate? I was just reading the list of recent antisemitic hate crimes. Pretty long list and pretty disturbing. And sadly, most of the perpetrators appear to be Muslims.

[Pooka Fey]

19. This is accurate and very disturbing

and the perpetrators are overwhelmingly Muslim punks, gang-members and delinquents, young men who could be at risk of being drafted into extremist Islamic movements, for reasons I don't understand. I do know that money from some Middle Eastern countries (Quatar?) has been flowing into France to fund radical Islamic extremism.

Most French who are Muslim don't hurt or harass anybody, of course. Like the heroic Muslim police officer who was killed defending the offices of Charlie Hebdo.

I know I don't need to remind you of this, Cali. I wrote that for the DU posters who will be coming after me with flame throwers for this post.

Nevertheless, harassment of French Jews by Muslim voyous (punks) is a very grave and worsening social problem. I don't see it personally because I live in a small city and I don't have kids. This is apparently what is happening in the big cities and their surrounding urban areas.

[cali]

25. Pooka, here's an article by George Packer in the New Yorker

I'm thinking about posting it- though I"m sure quite a few people will object:

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They are only the latest blows delivered by an ideology that has sought to achieve power through terror for decades. It’s the same ideology that sent Salman Rushdie into hiding for a decade under a death sentence for writing a novel, then killed his Japanese translator and tried to kill his Italian translator and Norwegian publisher. The ideology that murdered three thousand people in the U.S. on September 11, 2001. The one that butchered Theo van Gogh in the streets of Amsterdam, in 2004, for making a film. The one that has brought mass rape and slaughter to the cities and deserts of Syria and Iraq. That massacred a hundred and thirty-two children and thirteen adults in a school in Peshawar last month. That regularly kills so many Nigerians, especially young ones, that hardly anyone pays attention.

Because the ideology is the product of a major world religion, a lot of painstaking pretzel logic goes into trying to explain what the violence does, or doesn’t, have to do with Islam. Some well-meaning people tiptoe around the Islamic connection, claiming that the carnage has nothing to do with faith, or that Islam is a religion of peace, or that, at most, the violence represents a “distortion” of a great religion. (After suicide bombings in Baghdad, I grew used to hearing Iraqis say, “No Muslim would do this.”) Others want to lay the blame entirely on the theological content of Islam, as if other religions are more inherently peaceful—a notion belied by history as well as scripture.

A religion is not just a set of texts but the living beliefs and practices of its adherents. Islam today includes a substantial minority of believers who countenance, if they don’t actually carry out, a degree of violence in the application of their convictions that is currently unique. Charlie Hebdo had been nondenominational in its satire, sticking its finger into the sensitivities of Jews and Christians, too—but only Muslims responded with threats and acts of terrorism. For some believers, the violence serves a will to absolute power in the name of God, which is a form of totalitarianism called Islamism—politics as religion, religion as politics. “Allahu Akbar!” the killers shouted in the street outside Charlie Hebdo. They, at any rate, know what they’re about.

These thoughts don’t offer a guide to mitigating the astonishing surge in Islamist killing around the world. Rage and condemnation don’t do the job, nor is it helpful to alienate the millions of Muslims who dislike what’s being done in the name of their religion. Many of them immediately condemned the attack on Charlie Hebdo, in tones of anguish particular to those whose deepest beliefs have been tainted. The answer always has to be careful, thoughtful, and tailored to particular circumstances. In France, it will need to include a renewed debate about how the republic can prevent more of its young Muslim citizens from giving up their minds to a murderous ideology—how more of them might come to consider Mustapha Ourrad, a Charlie Hebdo copy editor of Algerian descent who was among the victims, a hero. In other places, the responses have to be different, with higher levels of counter-violence.

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http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/blame-for-charlie-hebdo-murders

[Pooka Fey]

26. Pretzel Logic - what an excellent image of what is happening

Good thoughtful piece. Thanks for sharing.

[Rhinodawg]

23. Really ??

I never noticed that.

[HappyMe]

15. This is good.

They need to do as much as they can to protect schools, synagogues, and mosques. I'm sure a lot of Jewish people as well as others are very scared. I'm hoping the Jewish markets are getting extra security also.

[Trillo]

16. The U.S. should consider something like that.

However, in the U.S. case, the terrorist is law enforcement. The military could be deployed to watch the cops.

They could act as a "check and balance" on cops who love to shoot black people. The cops could watch the military as well. There could be "independent" reports filed on each other, with separate justice systems, to prevent the problems with the local DA being friends with the local cops, and not prosecuting cops who kill citizens.

[libdem4life]

21. Love those words..."reports filed on each other" !!!